Derek Chauvin 'defense'

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I will bet that if Chauvin had taken another position that the drugged, cuffed and about to die Floyd was not going to jump up and kick ass like Chuck Norris.

youve clearly never spend any time what so ever with violent drugged up felons......or done any martial arts what so ever.

to control a person, you control the head/ neck....that is well known.....



lets assume the officer DID take another position......do you really think the media would just drop it and move on?.......or do you think they would still spin it into another "racist cop killing an innocent black man turning his life around"......


this would still be spun into another fictitious "hands up dont shoot"...."ice tea and skittles"....."left in a hot car to die"......"dun du nuffin" case.

 

[Bullfrog08]

Question for all the autistics...

If I am being arrested, and I get placed on the ground and restrained....but I manage to bite a cyanide capsule and kill myself.....is that the officers fault??

If not...why does it all of a sudden become the officers fault if I happen to use 4x the lethal dose of fentanyl instead of cyanide?

If you take the cyanide pill, step in the cross walk, im texting on phone run your ass over, you die.....cynanide is soley at fault? What if your body just so happens to process cyanide differently than others? Was it the car or cyanide?

When i watched the original 10 min video, I thought what a POS....referring to the LE. When i watched the full version, I said the same thing....this time referring to all involved.

Someone above said it best, they were meant for each other. Two lives ruined over some thuggery shit on both sides.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

youve clearly never spend any time what so ever with violent drugged up felons......or done any martial arts what so ever.

to control a person, you control the head/ neck....that is well known.....



lets assume the officer DID take another position......do you really think the media would just drop it and move on?.......or do you think they would still spin it into another "racist cop killing an innocent black man turning his life around"......


this would still be spun into another fictitious "hands up dont shoot"...."ice tea and skittles"....."left in a hot car to die"......"dun du nuffin" case.

You are clueless and obviously personally vested in this bullshit for whatever reason. Personally I couldn't give a shit either way.
When someone starts by name calling and then making a claim about someone that they are clueless about then follows that with "let's assume".
Next time try "But What If"
Please carry on though. It's been entertaining.

 

[Dunraven]

sorry, didn't realize how vulnerable you were to a cuffed assailant on his belly while he is restrained by other officers.

Story just today on fox news app. Handcuffed suspected took a knife from a Georgia sheriff's deputy, stabbed and killed the officer, and stabbed another.

 

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You are clueless and obviously personally vested in this bullshit for whatever reason. Personally I couldn't give a shit either way.
When someone starts by name calling and then making a claim about someone that they are clueless about then follows that with "let's assume".
Next time try "But What If"
Please carry on though. It's been entertaining.

yeah so im going to take that as a "no" under any relevant experience then


your answer has been noted, carry on.

 

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If you take the cyanide pill, step in the cross walk, im texting on phone run your ass over, you die.....cynanide is soley at fault? What if your body just so happens to process cyanide differently than others? Was it the car or cyanide?

When i watched the original 10 min video, I thought what a POS....referring to the LE. When i watched the full version, I said the same thing....this time referring to all involved.

Someone above said it best, they were meant for each other. Two lives ruined over some thuggery shit on both sides.

did the autopsy reveal significant trauma from the car accident that would cause death?......if not, then yes, the Cyanide was solely at fault.

and considering that:
1) the restraint Chauvin was using was dept. approved....and was considered to be "non-lethal".
2) the autopsy found 0 evidence of trauma to Floyd.
3) there is no medical evidence that Chauvin actually used excessive force that caused or unusually contributed to floyds death.

im going to go with the enough Fentanyl to kill an elephant as the cause of death.


if im getting arrested, and im struggling with the police, and my fat ass has a heart attack and i die....and the police didnt use any methods that would normally cause harm to a healthy individual....the officers are not at fault for my years of bad decision making regarding my health.

 

[thejeep]

youve clearly never spend any time what so ever with violent drugged up felons......or done any martial arts what so ever.

to control a person, you control the head/ neck....that is well known.....



lets assume the officer DID take another position......do you really think the media would just drop it and move on?.......or do you think they would still spin it into another "racist cop killing an innocent black man turning his life around"......


this would still be spun into another fictitious "hands up dont shoot"...."ice tea and skittles"....."left in a hot car to die"......"dun du nuffin" case.

Regardless I think the point is how much controlling of the head and neck does a dead man need?

“nur nur he could come back back to life at any moment and fuck me up nur nur!”

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Too funny.

yeah so im going to take that as a "no" under any relevant experience then


your answer has been noted, carry on.

Like I need to produce certification for some dude on the interwebs. That's FUCKING hilarious.
What? Are you Chuck Norris in disguise on the Hide?

Here's your argument: Offender has enough drugs in him to kill four people. Also has THC, meth and a few other things. He's actually dying from an overdose. He's cuffed and prone on his stomach with three men (supposedly trained in self defense) holding him down.
BUT by god he's the reincarnated Hulk! If I don't choke the shit out of him I might get my ass kicked.

Please carry on. This is getting better

 

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Regardless I think the point is how much controlling of the head and neck does a dead man need?

“nur nur he could come back back to life at any moment and fuck me up nur nur!”

at what time exactly did he die?...tell me that smart guy

Also, if he was already dead, what difference does the knee make?

 

[Solid7]

Which businesses were burned and liquor stores looted over Tony Timpa?

OK, here's a reverse stupid question... If you know that you already have a community relations problem, and major incidents typically end with blacks rioting and destroying shit, do you just go ahead and instruct your department to get 5 of their finest, filmed sitting on top of a junkie in the hood, like they've just bagged a wildebeast on safari?

Derr!!!

We have heard multiple times by the mouthbreathers in this thread that the actual cause of death is irrelevant, the officer needs to go to jail because of...feelings.

No, dumbass... It's because the police didn't use proper discretion in the situation, which led to a death. That death created a fucking international uproar. And it's not like this is a surprise - like it's never happened before.

He deserves to be on trial. You can't create this kind of a mess, and expect it to just be overlooked.

 

[Dunraven]

I'm seeing every 'expert' witness taking the prosecution's witness stand is black, except the girlfriend/fill in the blank. Sorry, but I have no expectation of any degree of objectivity from any black man in this, 'expert' or otherwise. Every one I've seen interviewed, including the family members above, had their minds made up from day one; the protected class has been made to believe they are above the law. To be fair, there are plenty of whites who did the same, but most are at least willing to look at all the information.

 

[Solid7]

at what time exactly did he die?...tell me that smart guy

Also, if he was already dead, what difference does the knee make?

Holy Jesus, what a cretin.

You really don't understand the gravity of the situation, do you?

In almost any situation, where one human being dies at the hands of another human being, there is going to be an investigation - because we've decided that, as a society, we like to assign responsibility, and assure accountability for, wrongful death. In our society, blame for death doesn't necessarily fall to Darwin, even in those cases where it's applicable. Causality is determined by any number of contributing factors, not the least of which is the consideration of how direct/indirect actions contributed to the death, or the what was the likelihood of death, without the interaction that was occurring at the time of death. Case in point - if you shoot at a person behind the wheel, and miss, but he crashes the car in the panic and dies, you are legally responsible for his death. So by extension, messing with a junkie over a phony $20, and triggering a death, is gonna still get you a serious look. Even more so when it's compounded by a race component, that has triggered an entire fucking world.

Other people did the thinking, so as not to have to rely on your inability to do so.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Here's a riddle.
George Floyd was detained, removed from his vehicle, brought to the sidewalk, frisked, cuffed and placed in the back of a patrol car. After complaining that he couldn't breathe he was then removed from the back of the patrol car and placed face down ( give or take) prone in the street.
All that was done without any violent actions by Floyd. If those officers were so worried about their safety. Why did they remove him from the safest place he could be?
Hmmmm?

 

[quietmike]

OK, here's a reverse stupid question... If you know that you already have a community relations problem, and major incidents typically end with blacks rioting and destroying shit, do you just go ahead and instruct your department to get 5 of their finest, filmed sitting on top of a junkie in the hood, like they've just bagged a wildebeast on safari?

Derr!!!

So because some welfare bums might use it an an excuse to go looting and robbing, police should just not enforce the law? Great circular logic.

 

[E. Bryant]

at what time exactly did he die?...tell me that smart guy

Also, if he was already dead, what difference does the knee make?

We don't know exactly when he died, but Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd for about three minutes after another officer (Kueng) tried and failed to find a pulse.

 

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We don't know exactly when he died, but Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd for about three minutes after another officer (Kueng) tried and failed to find a pulse.

Failing to find a pulse = death?

 

[theLBC]

That's okay, I'm used to blanket statements made by people with zero frame of reference besides YouTube.

i was of course not minimizing the risks from a suspect, cuffed or not, but dude was cuffed on his belly with 2 other officers holding him down in this particular instance. it would be difficult for me to honestly argue that a knee on the neck was necessary at that point. it seems this is the only point the prosecution might have.

 

[Solid7]

So because some welfare bums might use it an an excuse to go looting and robbing, police should just not enforce the law? Great circular logic.

Does the law get enforced universally, at all times?

Do you love cutting off your nose, to spite your face?

If the "welfare bums" outnumber your force by orders of magnitude, and are not bound by any set of rules, do you just blatantly disregard the fact?

If you don't understand the danger of mobs and mob mentality, and how it's a game changer for particular situations, then you absolutely cannot be helped.

Oh, and BTW - there's fuck-all that you can do about angry mobs in America. The long arm of the law is hog-tied. So unless you've got a clever solution to that problem, maybe you shouldn't comment on this.

 

[Doc68]

Yall are doing exactly what the media wants, yall at each others throat.

Good job

Doc

 

[Solid7]

Yall are doing exactly what the media wants, yall at each others throat.

Good job

Doc

So you're in favor of having civilized discourse on this topic, then? One where other points of view (besides the blue collar Conservative) might be considered?

 

[thejeep]

Failing to find a pulse = death?

Nooo!They were looking for a pulse because flyod was fighting so hard they were trying to ensure he was in zone 4. Are we starting to connect the dots?

 

[thejeep]

Respiratory Failure Treatment & Management: Approach Considerations, Correction of Hypoxemia, Principles of Mechanical Ventilation

Respiratory failure is a syndrome in which the respiratory system fails in one or both of its gas exchange functions: oxygenation and carbon dioxide elimination. In practice, it may be classified as either hypoxemic or hypercapnic.

www.medscape.com

The officers were doing their very best! Leave them alone. It’s backed by science! They knew he couldn’t breath. They thought maybe just maybe he has COVID. He already had the fentanyl on board. So they proned him. That’s what I would have done too. The knee to the back was just the initiation of high quality CHEST PHYSIO THERAPY!

it’s all in the charting. Some one please send this to the defense.

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

So you're in favor of having civilized discourse on this topic, then? One where other points of view (besides the blue collar Conservative) might be considered?

Come on Dude. You must have realized by now that anyone who doesn't agree with me/you or has a different perspective is a fucking moron, dumbass, Libtard, Communist, etc.

There is only one Way....one solution/one perspective - everything is black or white/binary. People who don't agree with me are stupid assholes. That's the Way it is in 21st Century 'Merica.

VooDoo

 

[quietmike]

Does the law get enforced universally, at all times?

Do you love cutting off your nose, to spite your face?

If the "welfare bums" outnumber your force by orders of magnitude, and are not bound by any set of rules, do you just blatantly disregard the fact?

If you don't understand the danger of mobs and mob mentality, and how it's a game changer for particular situations, then you absolutely cannot be helped.

Oh, and BTW - there's fuck-all that you can do about angry mobs in America. The long arm of the law is hog-tied. So unless you've got a clever solution to that problem, maybe you shouldn't comment on this.

Seems there was an easy solution that worked from Kent state to the LA riots.

 

[Solid7]

Come on Dude. You must have realized by now that anyone who doesn't agree with me/you or has a different perspective is a fucking moron, dumbass, Libtard, Communist, etc.

There is only one Way....one solution/one perspective - everything is black or white/binary. People who don't agree with me are stupid assholes. That's the Way it is in 21st Century 'Merica.

VooDoo

Of course I know that. It's been made abundantly clear.

Isn't it ironic that our country was founded by educated men, who didn't always agree - but still managed to forge a republic from shared ideals (which weren't paramount to consensus) - and yet, this is what we've been reduced to?

 

[Solid7]

Seems there was an easy solution that worked from Kent state to the LA riots.

So maybe you can explain why that particular solution isn't being used right now, then...

 

[LawnMM]

i was of course not minimizing the risks from a suspect, cuffed or not, but dude was cuffed on his belly with 2 other officers holding him down in this particular instance. it would be difficult for me to honestly argue that a knee on the neck was necessary at that point. it seems this is the only point the prosecution might have.

Again, till you've seen it first hand you just won't get it.

I've seen it take eight cops, eight, to hold somebody down amidst an excited delerium episode.

Ever do any wrestling or martial arts in your day? Control the head and the body follows. Which is beside the point since MN PD teaches the knee on the neck as a restraint method.

There's bodycam footage and stills showing he had his knee on the shoulder blade, not the neck.

Coroner reports no damage or bruising to the neck. Full stop.

The only thing these guys failed to do, that I can see, is continually reassess the condition of the bad guy.

Then again, I wasn't there with a hostile crowd threatening to get involved so I tend to keep my mouth shut on judging the actions of others.

ETA: Here's another reason for restraining the head I forgot to add above - they frequently try to injure themselves when restrained.

Sounds crazy right? I've literally pressed a guy's head into the ground so he couldn't lift it because he was cracking his own skull against the pavement while shouting "ow ow ow" so it would appear we were striking him when we weren't.

You don't "understand" because you haven't been there.

 

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Come on Dude. You must have realized by now that anyone who doesn't agree with me/you or has a different perspective is a fucking moron, dumbass, Libtard, Communist, etc.

There is only one Way....one solution/one perspective - everything is black or white/binary. People who don't agree with me are stupid assholes. That's the Way it is in 21st Century 'Merica.

VooDoo

Yeah man, that's kind of what happens when you continue to ignore facts and reality so that you can flog an agenda put forth by radical marxist organization, while parroting MSM talking points.

Sooooo I don't know what you were expecting

 

[quietmike]

So maybe you can explain why that particular solution isn't being used right now, then...

Because the country has become pussified with the belief that no one should be held responsible for their choices.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

And zero video that he was combative.
Like I said. If he was so dangerous they would have left him in the patrol car. That's the safest place for him and then officers.

Again, till you've seen it first hand you just won't get it.

I've seen it take eight cops, eight, to hold somebody down amidst an excited delerium episode.

Ever do any wrestling or martial arts in your day? Control the head and the body follows. Which is beside the point since MN PD teaches the knee on the neck as a restraint method.

There's bodycam footage and stills showing he had his knee on the shoulder blade, not the neck.

Coroner reports no damage or bruising to the neck. Full stop.

The only thing these guys failed to do, that I can see, is continually reassess the condition of the bad guy.

Then again, I wasn't there with a hostile crowd threatening to get involved so I tend to keep my mouth shut on judging the actions of others.

 

[Fig]

You libertarians and antigovernment types had better watch who you make common cause with. These are not your friends or your allies. While they want "justice" for the career criminal and drug addict George Floyd, the "justice" they will give you is entirely different. Their words don't mean what you think they mean. They are completely disingenuous, and revel and tout their own ignorance as a source of pride and righteousness.

You, who are always against the use of force on libertarian grounds, better be paying attention to who is agreeing with you, but more specifically why! The people who blindly support Floyd and ignore the cause of death (IN-A-MURDER-TRIAL) do not do so on the grounds they oppose government using force against the governed in general.

These people revel in the use of force. It's their answer to every question before it is even asked. They just want it used against you, because they hate you (in case that wasn't so readily apparent). All they see in Floyd is a minority to be pittied and protected, because they see race as a malady that can't be helped. Make no mistake, they're racists through and through and to hold Floyd to account for his life, as you would a white man, IS racist in their Newspeak world of critical race theory.

There is no accommodating or compromising with this. Saying it isn't black and white is true, but it's also not an excuse to pretend there isn't a choice, or that any of us can avoid making it. They cannot birth their paradise without destroying what was. They're proud of it, and truly believe there is nothing worth saving. That is the choice.

 

[Solid7]

Yeah man, that's kind of what happens when you continue to ignore facts and reality so that you can flog an agenda put forth by radical marxist organization, while parroting MSM talking points.

Suppose for a second that your point is actually fair, and has any validity. Then the legitimate response would be, that somebody has to offer a counter-perspective to your "radical alt-right" bullshit. Since you want to go there. My point is every bit as valid as yours, in that case.

 

[Solid7]

Because the country has become pussified with the belief that no one should be held responsible for their choices.

So you believe the proper response to public outrage, is to fuel it with more public outrage... Got it.

Sounds a little totalitarian to me, but I'll ask... How well did the Kent State response pan out, just out of curiosity?

 

[Fig]

Last time I watched the footage from Kent the students WERE peacefully protesting. Your peeps have a different definitions for everything.

 

[quietmike]

So you believe the proper response to public outrage, is to fuel it with more public outrage... Got it.

Sounds a little totalitarian to me, but I'll ask... How well did the Kent State response pan out, just out of curiosity?

The rioting at Kent state stopped didn't it?

That lefty BS of being held responsible for your conduct being "totalitarianism" is exactly why the country is in such bad shape.

Ie
Bum: I don't have anywhere to live.
Gov: Here's some public housing.
Bum: I don't have anything to eat.
Gov: Here's some food stamps.
Bum:I don't have any money.
Gov: Here's some welfare.
Bum: I don't have any skills other than squirting out bastard kids like a Pez dispenser.
Gov: Don't worry, we got you.

These perfectly useless people lose any connection between action/consequence.
Then they bring up their ragamuffins the same way.
When one of these people meet a cop, who is a living embodiment of consequences, they are completely unprepared for what should be an innocuous encounter, and bad things happen.

 

[Solid7]

You, who are always against the use of force on libertarian grounds,

Bullshit. Pull your head out of your ass. There is a time and place for all things. Read the room. Strategize the response, before you pick a fight that you're not equipped to win.

Instead, consider how your enemy gained the advantage, and consider why you're in the predicament that you're in. And then figure out how to win. And don't give us some defeatist crap, because they certainly figured out how to beat you, over a very long period. If you just want to admit that your ideas aren't that popular without the use of violence, OK, I'll accept that. If you want to admit that people no longer want what you're peddling, that's OK, too. Fucking man up, and accept it. The world doesn't revolve around you.

That's the price of choosing to participate in a Democratic Republic. It's not all about who you think God ordained to claim the space. You're sharing it with people - in fact, a whole lot of them. And guess what? Not everyone likes unenlightened dipshits. If you're unwilling to take a modern approach to modern problems, then go ahead and do what you're gonna do. Pffft.

 

[Fig]

The rioting at Kent state stopped didn't it?

That lefty BS of being held responsible for your conduct being "totalitarianism" is exactly why the country is in such bad shape.

Ie
Bum: I don't have anywhere to live.
Gov: Here's some public housing.
Bum: I don't have anything to eat.
Gov: here's some food stamps.
Bum:I don't have any money.
Gov: Here's some welfare.
Bum: I I don't have any skills other than squirting out boatyard kids like a Pez dispenser.
Gov: Don't worry, we got you.

These perfectly useless people lose any connection between action/consequence.
Then they bring up their ragamuffin the same way.
When one of these people meet a cop, who is a living embodiment of consequences, they are completely unprepared for what should be an innocuous encounter, and bad things happen.

There are plenty of whites that fit this definition as well. Real "Justice Reform", would be to stop the revolving door, and take these recidivist junkies off the streets permanently.

 

[quietmike]

There are plenty of whites that fit this definition as well. Real "Justice Reform", would be to stop the revolving door, and take these recidivist junkies off the streets permanently.

No race was mentioned in my post and none was implied.
There isn't a race problem in the US, only a culture problem outlined in my post.
A subset of our population who thinks it's abhorrent to be responsible for their own lives.

 

[Solid7]

The rioting at Kent state stopped didn't it?

Why did the rioting stop?

I am really getting that you're not a genius. You should read a little more history about Kent State. It had exactly the opposite effect. It spurred more rioting, and fueled opposition. It's considered one of the pivotal points in American political history.

But you know best. So, by all means, commence firing.

 

[Raptor429]

If Fentanyl Floyd was white would we even be talking about this?

 

[Fig]

Bullshit. Pull your head out of your ass. There is a time and place for all things. Read the room. Strategize the response, before you pick a fight that you're not equipped to win.

Instead, consider how your enemy gained the advantage, and consider why you're in the predicament that you're in. And then figure out how to win. And don't give us some defeatist crap, because they certainly figured out how to beat you, over a very long period. If you just want to admit that your ideas aren't that popular without the use of violence, OK, I'll accept that. If you want to admit that people no longer want what you're peddling, that's OK, too. Fucking man up, and accept it. The world doesn't revolve around you.

That's the price of choosing to participate in a Democratic Republic. It's not all about who you think God ordained to claim the space. You're sharing it with people - in fact, a whole lot of them. And guess what? Not everyone likes unenlightened dipshits. If you're unwilling to take a modern approach to modern problems, then go ahead and do what you're gonna do. Pffft.

Lol. Modern = Enlightened.

Well, you are right about one thing. None of my ideas are "Modern". They did not call it The Western Enlightenment because it was the reversion into darkness you push.

Instead of just alluding to these "modern" ideas, lets talk about them directly instead of all these strong opinions you form from them...

I think it would be very illuminating for all the SH members who are agreeing with you here!

 

[Solid7]

There are plenty of whites that fit this definition as well. Real "Justice Reform", would be to stop the revolving door, and take these recidivist junkies off the streets permanently.

Where you gonna put them?

Are you gonna kill them, or are you going to permanently house them? Who pays for it all?

Go on, be honest...

 

[quietmike]

Why did the rioting stop?

Because a bunch of smelly hippies saw their buddies heads come apart, and they suddenly questioned their devotion to the cause.

 

[Solid7]

Lol. Modern = Enlightened.

Well, you are right about one thing. None of my ideas are "Modern". They did not call it The Western Enlightenment because it was the reversion into darkness you push.

Instead of just alluding to these "modern" ideas, lets talk about them directly instead of all these strong opinions you form from them...

Let's be very clear about one thing here - you cannot have both the Constitution, that so man of us claim loyalty to, AND a strategy of attrition for those we deem "undesirables".

YOU are the one who is confused. So either you want Constitutional law, with all of its perils, or you want a society that tolerates the culling of its aberrants. Pick one, and go forth.

 

[Solid7]

Because a bunch of smelly hippies saw their buddies heads come apart, and they suddenly questioned their devotion to the cause.

Or because the chaos spread across the entire country, and the US attracted world scrutiny, at a time when it needed support for an unpopular war?

In a world of cannon fodder and strategists, you were born to be the former, not the latter.

 

[quietmike]

Let's be very clear about one thing here - you cannot have both the Constitution, that so man of us claim loyalty to, AND a strategy of attrition for those we deem "undesirables".

YOU are the one who is confused. So either you want Constitutional law, with all of its perils, or you want a society that tolerates the culling of its aberrants. Pick one, and go forth.

Removing warning signs and handouts for deadbeats would achieve this attrition naturally, and constitutionally.

 

[quietmike]

Or because the chaos spread across the entire country, and the US attracted world scrutiny, at a time when it needed support for an unpopular war?

In a world of cannon fodder and strategists, you were born to be the former, not the latter.

The chaos only spread because other areas didn't have the resolve of Ohio.

 

[Solid7]

Removing waning signs and handouts for deadbeats would achieve this attrition naturally, and constitutionally.

Maybe it would. But there's a whole lot of people standing in the way.

So what would YOU do to take that obstacle out of the way? We're all grown ups here... be frank and candid. Other people should be able to decide if your strategies are meritorious, after all.

 

[Fig]

Let's be very clear about one thing here - you cannot have both the Constitution, that so man of us claim loyalty to, AND a strategy of attrition for those we deem "undesirables".

YOU are the one who is confused. So either you want Constitutional law, with all of its perils, or you want a society that tolerates the culling of its aberrants. Pick one, and go forth.

Wow. You’re pathological. I want no culling of people because of the way they look. There is no American who is my enemy because of who they are.

My enemies stand in opposition to our distinctly unmodern principals.
George Floyd was a criminal junkie. He could never rise to the level of being “my enemy”, and I accept there will always be people like that.

It appears that you can’t carry on more than one conversation at a time. There is a good knitting site where you would be more at home.

 

[quietmike]

Maybe it would. But there's a whole lot of people standing in the way.

So what would YOU do to take that obstacle out of the way? We're all grown ups here... be frank and candid. Other people should be able to decide if your strategies are meritorious, after all.

Return to a plain reading of the Constitution. Nowhere does it allow the feds to be involved in charity. So end all of it.
The 10th allows the states to have charity programs, so let the state or local governments do it, if they want.
If California wants to fund transgender surgery for illegal aliens and Mississippi wants no aid programs at all, then people will move to areas that suit their beliefs.

Then we can all watch a grand experiment take place. Will cali go bankrupt? Will people in Mississippi starve?