Dreaded "is this normal" question re: ATACR turret alignment

[clsx]

Received my ATACR 4-16x42 F1 yesterday. Below are three photos of the elevation turret
dialed at 0.0, 0.5, and 12.0 mils.

As it sits, the marks are a hair "overclocked." I removed and reinstalled the elevation cap and it's still the same. There's an extra mental step I have to take when I glance at the turret after dialing to know with certainty what I've dialed to. I could count the clicks, of course, but my expectation was to glance up and be able to say "0.7" or "1.2" or what have you, instantly.

Question: Do the marks on your turret match perfectly with the index mark on your scope body? Should I contact Nightforce?

 

[tangloppen]

That’s what you would expect from chinesium.
My ocd would kill me, if that was my NF.

Return that.
High price items is supposed to make you confident in the quality - that turret fails in providing that feeling…

 

[moaorbust]

My NF ATACR scopes are spot on. I am very careful tightening the turret so I don’t misalign it.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

Uhhh… loosen the set screws and align it…

It’s off the same amount in all of your pics. You didn’t tighten it down right.

 

[clsx]

Uhhh… loosen the set screws and align it…

It’s off the same amount in all of your pics. You didn’t tighten it down right.

I've done that multiple times, and I'm doing it correctly. Misalignment persists - very consistently.

 

[redneckbmxer24]

I've done that multiple times, and I'm doing it correctly. Misalignment persists - very consistently.

Then you’re not tighten it down right… very consistently. Or you’ve over tightened it and put dents where the set screws are and it’s pulling it to there.

That set screw design is so that you can set them any way you want, so you’re doing something wrong.

 

[clsx]

Then you’re not tighten it down right… very consistently. Or you’ve over tightened it and put dents where the set screws are and it’s pulling it to there.

That set screw design is so that you can set them any way you want, so you’re doing something wrong.

You can't set a ZeroHold cap anywhere except in line with the channel of the ZeroHold steel collar that's attached to the turret, and any bias you could apply to the turret cap during the resetting process is limited to the leftover tolerances between the OD of the ZeroHold pin in the cap, and its corresponding channel in the ZeroHold collar.

There are no dents from the set screws either.

What else do you see in your crystal ball?

 

[DangerRanger]

This very obviously is your fault because NF doesn’t make mistakes and also because fuck you for insulting the chosen tribe

 

[AIKNOWU]

It's a left handed turret, bro. Get on the gun from the right side, then look at it- it'll line up perfect.

Just call NF, man.

 

[Rhed]

Do you still have that white certification sticker? That was signed by the QC person before it got put on the shelves for sales? If so, take a picture of his sig, send it to NF, tell em you wanna speak to that person instead.

 

[clsx]

She's packed up and headed to NF

Do you still have that white certification sticker? That was signed by the QC person before it got put on the shelves for sales? If so, take a picture of his sig, send it to NF, tell em you wanna speak to that person instead.

Yeah it's on there. But NF CS is great, spoke on the phone with them and I'm taping up the package as we speak.

OP you don't need "permission from the internet" to call NF for a warranty or QC question.

I've been conditioned to Trust The Experts

 

[jbuck88]

I've done that multiple times, and I'm doing it correctly. Misalignment persists - very consistently.

Can you adjust to .5mil ( or any number you care to) the adjust the turret to center over the hash and retighten. If you do that will it lock into the zero hold?

 

[clsx]

Can you adjust to .5mil ( or any number you care to) the adjust the turret to center over the hash and retighten. If you do that will it lock into the zero hold?

Did that over the phone with CS. Same issue.

 

[hafejd30]

Get out the white sharpie!

 

[jbuck88]

Did that over the phone with CS. Same issue.

Did the turret shift back? Or did it fail to lock at zero?

 

[TheOE800]

Par for the course for Nightforce.

over half a decade since I had my 4-16x42 and they’re still like this?

 

[clsx]

Did the turret shift back? Or did it fail to lock at zero?

It locked at zero effortlessly. TBH I can’t remember the sequence exactly of what we did - I was following his instructions - but the marks were still misaligned. Would have been a very clever fix if it had worked.

 

[jbuck88]

The turret is infinitely adjustable. So if you are at .5mil then adjust the turret to be dead on at .5mil it should be dead on at 0mil and either be locked or not locked. But the marks should stay aligned.

If it's off at 0mil I would guess it's the turret is slipping on the post underneath.

 

[clsx]

The turret is infinitely adjustable. So if you are at .5mil then adjust the turret to be dead on at .5mil it should be dead on at 0mil and either be locked or not locked. But the marks should stay aligned.

If it's off at 0mil I would guess it's the turret is slipping on the post underneath.

Makes sense. Will wait to see if they give me a diagnosis after it arrives at NF HQ.

 

[carbonbased]

Makes sense. Will wait to see if they give me a diagnosis after it arrives at NF HQ.

Send it to the scope abusers over at Rokslide. This sort of thing never happens to NF (in their minds).

Now excuse me whilst I go down into my bomb shelter (I actually own a NF you clowns lol).

 

[Rhed]

Makes sense. Will wait to see if they give me a diagnosis after it arrives at NF HQ.

They’ll probably just replace it with another one….. a refurbished one…

 

[308pirate]

Received my ATACR 4-16x42 F1 yesterday. Below are three photos of the elevation turret
dialed at 0.0, 0.5, and 12.0 mils.

As it sits, the marks are a hair "overclocked." I removed and reinstalled the elevation cap and it's still the same. There's an extra mental step I have to take when I glance at the turret after dialing to know with certainty what I've dialed to. I could count the clicks, of course, but my expectation was to glance up and be able to say "0.7" or "1.2" or what have you, instantly.

Question: Do the marks on your turret match perfectly with the index mark on your scope body? Should I contact Nightforce?



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I can tell without a doubt that the top picture is 0, not 0.1 up or 0.1 down

I can tell without a doubt that the middle picture is 0.5 up, not 0.6 up or 0.4 up

I can tell without a doubt that the bottom picture is right back at 0

The offset is constant and repeatable. Suck it up.

 

[clsx]

I can tell without a doubt that the top picture is 0, not 0.1 up or 0.1 down

I can tell without a doubt that the middle picture is 0.5 up, not 0.6 up or 0.4 up

I can tell without a doubt that the bottom picture is right back at 0

The offset is constant and repeatable. Suck it up.

Your certainty is noted, but you might want to get a second opinion if you mistake 12.0 mils for 0.0 mils.

 

[308pirate]

Your certainty is noted, but you might want to get a second opinion if you mistake 12.0 mils for 0.0 mils.

So what you're saying is that you don't know how to use the revolution counter on the elevation turret?

 

[clsx]

So what you're saying is that you don't know how to use the revolution counter on the elevation turret?

I’m not the one saying that 0 comes after 11.9

Anyways, glad to know that if it was your scope, you’d be happy with it. That’s your point, right? Thanks.

 

[Huskydriver]

Received my ATACR 4-16x42 F1 yesterday. Below are three photos of the elevation turret
dialed at 0.0, 0.5, and 12.0 mils.

As it sits, the marks are a hair "overclocked." I removed and reinstalled the elevation cap and it's still the same. There's an extra mental step I have to take when I glance at the turret after dialing to know with certainty what I've dialed to. I could count the clicks, of course, but my expectation was to glance up and be able to say "0.7" or "1.2" or what have you, instantly.

Question: Do the marks on your turret match perfectly with the index mark on your scope body? Should I contact Nightforce?



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My OCD could not handle that no way

 

[308pirate]

I’m not the one saying that 0 comes after 11.9

What the fuck does going one rev over have anything to do with this?

Does an ATACR not have a revolution indicator?

Do you know how to use a scope?

 

[jbuck88]

I got mixed feeling. I'd be happy with it. As it does line up within the hash mark, although not perfectly centered. I'd think if you were confusing .5mil with anything other then .5mil there is more important things to work on. It's very clear and concisely indicated to the tenth of a mil.

That said I can understand you want it to be perfect. And if it were me I would have spent some more time exhausting all your options of zeroing the turrets before sending it back.

 

[jbuck88]

Arguing over semantics on whether 0 is 0 or 0 is 12 is very productive when your only concerned about the hash marks aligning.

Whatever it takes to make you feel superior I guess.

Fna.

 

[clsx]

What the fuck does going one rev over have anything to do with this?

Does an ATACR not have a revolution indicator?

Do you know how to use a scope?

^ you, mad online

 

[HOOFER]

I guess I’m confused.

Nx8. SHV and SHV.

You can adjust the turret anywhere on the dial….

 

[kthomas]

This very obviously is your fault because NF doesn’t make mistakes and also because fuck you for insulting the chosen tribe

LOL, did the NF tribe go full AI?

 

[clsx]

I got mixed feeling. I'd be happy with it. As it does line up within the hash mark, although not perfectly centered. I'd think if you were confusing .5mil with anything other then .5mil there is more important things to work on. It's very clear and concisely indicated to the tenth of a mil.

That said I can understand you want it to be perfect. And if it were me I would have spent some more time exhausting all your options of zeroing the turrets before sending it back.

I understand the mixed feelings, there’s just something jarring about index marks not lining up with each other. Plus, from my end, when I look at the scope I see the object and the money it cost. NF CS (Aaron, great guy) and I worked on it over the phone and he said they could make it perfect, so I’m happy to take him up on that.

 

[clsx]

I guess I’m confused.

Nx8. SHV and SHV.

You can adjust the turret anywhere on the dial….

ZeroStop turrets vs. ZeroHold turrets. See my post a little further up.

 

[Baron23]

Yes, it’s very useable as is.

No, zero reason to accept this in a new expensive scope and apparently NF feels the same as they issued an RMA after seeing the pics and working w the OP to try to correct it.

As to the comment that he should have exhausted all options before sending it back I have to ask what other options. He posted here to get the de rigueur ration of shit from the peanut gallery (cause that’s our super power lol) and worked with NF to correct it before sending it back…which failed.

Just my view

 

[HOOFER]

I understand the mixed feelings, there’s just something jarring about index marks not lining up with each other. Plus, from my end, when I look at the scope I see the object and the money it cost. NF CS (Aaron, great guy) and I worked on it over the phone and he said they could make it perfect, so I’m happy to take him up on that.

You’ll have to let us know what they did… and I guess we will see if your “issue” returns when you slip the rings after zeroing…

I am not a nightforce tribe fanboy. I have several… but most modern scope turrets function The same way… unless it was etched out of sync with the scope adjustment I just don’t understand what is happening.

ZeroStop turrets vs. ZeroHold turrets. See my post a little further up.

I understand how it works. Once the zero stop is against the bar the turret is still free spinning…. Thus able to place it on zero as perfectly as you can hold it and tighten 2 screws

But I guess we will see when they return it.

 

[clsx]

You’ll have to let us know what they did… and I guess we will see if your “issue” returns when you slip the rings after zeroing

I understand how it works. Once the zero stop is against the bar the turret is still free spinning….

You’re describing a ZeroStop turret.

The only way you could “slip” a ZeroHold turret after zeroing is within the tolerances leftover between the OD of the pin under the turret cap and the width of the turret post’s collar channel on either side of the same pin. Not much room.

See 01:44



CS and I, over the phone, tried dialing up, loosening the cap, and setting it back down (in the same spot) trying to align the marks precisely, but it was a no-go. He advised sending it in.

 

[308pirate]

LOL, did the NF tribe go full AI HK?

FIFY

 

[HOOFER]

You’re describing a ZeroStop turret.

The only way you could “slip” a ZeroHold turret after zeroing is within the tolerances leftover between the OD of the pin under the turret cap and the width of the turret post’s collar channel on either side of the same pin. Not much room.

See 01:44



CS and I, over the phone, tried dialing up, loosening the cap, and setting it back down (in the same spot) trying to align the marks precisely, but it was a no-go. He advised sending it in.

I understand it’s like a MK5. Same concept. Except the inner ring slips not the outer…. If you loosen the 4 screws and put the turret cover back on and rotate the button to 0 it would go wherever you wanted it to.. is what I’m saying

The thumbscrew on the inside is notched corresponding. the After you loosen When you turn it “about a 1/4 inch” which allows it to go below zero. you make sure the ring is going to be centered on zero before torquing the 4 screws. It is more time consuming than a zero stop type. That locks onto the ring itself.

I understand you spoke to CS and he advised returning it. I’m sure that is their standard procedure as to not get flamed on the internet for being crapp CS.

At any rate… I would venture they return it without any modification to the scope.

But I guess we will wait for your report.

 

[Gohring65]

So what you're saying is that you don't know how to use the revolution counter on the elevation turret?

He’s saying you’re a fuckin tool. Go away!
Fuckin butt pirate bitch.

 

[brianf]

maybe its a left handed scope

put you head on the other side of the rifle and i bet they line up perfect

 

[jbuck88]

I went home to play with mine at lunch. I'm saying 100% user error. The turret adjust almost a half of a tenth and still lock at zero.

See the attached pictures. Both will lock in at 0. The turret is infinitely adjustable. It helps to move it off of zero to dial the hash mark in perfect.

 

[308pirate]

He’s saying you’re a fuckin tool. Go away!
Fuckin butt pirate bitch.

Your wife put out pretty good last night

 

[Gohring65]

Your wife put out pretty good last night

You act like a little boy.
Seriously, your reply’s are what a fuckin child would type.

 

[308pirate]

You act like a little boy.
Seriously, your reply’s are what a fuckin child would type.

Does that mean we're not friends any more?

Because I don't think I can bear it......

Or you can fuck off.

 

[jzerfoss]

I went home to play with mine at lunch. I'm saying 100% user error. The turret adjust almost a half of a tenth and still lock at zero.

See the attached pictures. Both will lock in at 0. The turret is infinitely adjustable. It helps to move it off of zero to dial the hash mark in perfect.

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He's right ^

Anyone saying this is a problem with the scope either has never owned one or didn't have the mental capacity to line up the turrets and tighten the set screws. If I were to guess the OP is setting it perfectly lined up then fully tightening one side and then the other. That will offset it most times. You can either line it up and tighten each side a little at a time to make sure it stays aligned or offset it on the opposite side by the amount it shifts and fully tighten one side at a time. Very easy problem to solve.

 

[TheOE800]

He's right ^

Anyone saying this is a problem with the scope either has never owned one or didn't have the mental capacity to line up the turrets and tighten the set screws. If I were to guess the OP is setting it perfectly lined up then fully tightening one side and then the other. That will offset it most times. You can either line it up and tighten each side a little at a time to make sure it stays aligned or offset it on the opposite side by the amount it shifts and fully tighten one side at a time. Very easy problem to solve.

I can, do, and know how to torque screws properly. It was 5 years ago, IDGAF and moved on from NF since then.

 

[lil'skeet]

Now I'm here on a Friday evening checking the alignment marks on all of my scopes.
When torquing anything, use the biggest tool possible. Tighten slowly until the fastener seats, keep turning until the fastener begins to loosen. Then back it out 1|4 turn. Torque wrenches are for carpenters

 

[Huskydriver]

Now I'm here on a Friday evening checking the alignment marks on all of my scopes.
When torquing anything, use the biggest tool possible. Tighten slowly until the fastener seats, keep turning until the fastener begins to loosen. Then back it out 1|4 turn. Torque wrenches are for carpenters

This why I only buy scopes where you don't have to deal with this bush league...

 

[hafejd30]

I like to tighten until the screw strips. Then back off a 1/4 turn so I know I’m right on the edge of my limit