Looking for what others do to train for an elk hunt? Last year I obviously didn't do enough so I started training when I got back. I run, squat, inline, flat, decline bench, curls, lunges, leg lifts, and more. I switch every 6 week from light high reps to heavy low reps. I have tried to isolate every muscle group that I remember was fatigued. I back pack in 6-7 miles through some not so easy terrain in the mountains.
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Re: Elk hunt training
Check out Rob Shaul's Mountain Athlete/Military Athlete. They're up in Jackson, WY. Something like his Afghan Pre-Deployment program would be good. Legs and lungs. You won't hear anything about isolation. Leg blasters (squats, lunges, jumping lunges, jumping squats), sprints, sandbag get-ups, weighted step-ups, weighted rucks, and primarily bodyweight on upper body (push-ups, dips, pull ups) b/c that's not going to get you up or off the mountain. I think Rob hunts elk too.
Check out Rob Shaul's Mountain Athlete/Military Athlete. They're up in Jackson, WY. Something like his Afghan Pre-Deployment program would be good. Legs and lungs. You won't hear anything about isolation. Leg blasters (squats, lunges, jumping lunges, jumping squats), sprints, sandbag get-ups, weighted step-ups, weighted rucks, and primarily bodyweight on upper body (push-ups, dips, pull ups) b/c that's not going to get you up or off the mountain. I think Rob hunts elk too.
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Basically, an elk hunt is purely endurance, so running Long Slow Distance is what you want to build endurance. Run for 30 minutes to 1 hour is not unreasonable. Also, those long back pack hikes are a great idea.
Lifting heavy weights builds explosive strength and light weight high reps is body building musclwe mass type stuff. Both are not conducive to endurance. There is a reason distance runners are thin, they don't lift weights.
Lots of push-ups, sit-ups, body wieght stuff will help strength endurance.
In conclusion, stay with the endurance stuff. You are not going to sprint anywhere on your elk hunt, so you don't need to to sprints, they work a totally different energy system.
Also, interval training can be great for builing endurance. Things like 10x400 meters with 2 minute rest at 50% of max speed.
Work out 3-5 times a week, twice a week doesn't do much unless u bang fat chicks as your workout.
Basically, an elk hunt is purely endurance, so running Long Slow Distance is what you want to build endurance. Run for 30 minutes to 1 hour is not unreasonable. Also, those long back pack hikes are a great idea.
Lifting heavy weights builds explosive strength and light weight high reps is body building musclwe mass type stuff. Both are not conducive to endurance. There is a reason distance runners are thin, they don't lift weights.
Lots of push-ups, sit-ups, body wieght stuff will help strength endurance.
In conclusion, stay with the endurance stuff. You are not going to sprint anywhere on your elk hunt, so you don't need to to sprints, they work a totally different energy system.
Also, interval training can be great for builing endurance. Things like 10x400 meters with 2 minute rest at 50% of max speed.
Work out 3-5 times a week, twice a week doesn't do much unless u bang fat chicks as your workout.
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I use a bicycle, low impact on the knees and ankles. Get comfortable with a distance that takes 45 minutes to an hour. Increase your average speed for the course. when you can average 15+ mph stop breathing through your mouth. When you can do 15 breathing through the nose cover one nostril, repeat. That is the best I can describe hard hiking at 10k+ feet.
I use a bicycle, low impact on the knees and ankles. Get comfortable with a distance that takes 45 minutes to an hour. Increase your average speed for the course. when you can average 15+ mph stop breathing through your mouth. When you can do 15 breathing through the nose cover one nostril, repeat. That is the best I can describe hard hiking at 10k+ feet.
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The bicycle is definetly a good option if you plan on training everyday, run 3 days and bike 3 days a week. The emphasis should be on walking/running long distances because that is what you'll be doing in the mountains. If you just bike all the time, when its time to walk the mountains, your heart wont know the difference, but your legs will.
Remember, if you get big and strong from lifting weights, you'll have to carry that weight around the mountains. Big strong muscle is for producing power, not hiking 10 miles.
Also, find a steep hill near you and walk that once a week.
The bicycle is definetly a good option if you plan on training everyday, run 3 days and bike 3 days a week. The emphasis should be on walking/running long distances because that is what you'll be doing in the mountains. If you just bike all the time, when its time to walk the mountains, your heart wont know the difference, but your legs will.
Remember, if you get big and strong from lifting weights, you'll have to carry that weight around the mountains. Big strong muscle is for producing power, not hiking 10 miles.
Also, find a steep hill near you and walk that once a week.
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Treadmill on high incline, 25-30 pound pack, holding rifle.
started at 3 miles, worked up to ten.
started training 6 weeks before.
laid off the smokes.
Treadmill on high incline, 25-30 pound pack, holding rifle.
started at 3 miles, worked up to ten.
started training 6 weeks before.
laid off the smokes.
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Thanks for the info. I rode my bike A LOT last year. One day a week I would ride 40-50 miles the rest of the week was 20-30. I rode to and from work with my ruck on. As well as hitting the gym 3 times a week. Then injured my foot 6 weeks before the season and that killed my endurance training. My alice pack isn't the easiest on my shoulders and back either. My goal is to be able to carry at least 100lbs in my ruck 6-7 miles
Thanks for the info. I rode my bike A LOT last year. One day a week I would ride 40-50 miles the rest of the week was 20-30. I rode to and from work with my ruck on. As well as hitting the gym 3 times a week. Then injured my foot 6 weeks before the season and that killed my endurance training. My alice pack isn't the easiest on my shoulders and back either. My goal is to be able to carry at least 100lbs in my ruck 6-7 miles
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If there is a stadium nearby you might run some stairs. You never run fast enough that it is a sprint, but it forces you to lift and drive your legs on the up and find your balance on the down. Both important in rough country. The other suggestions i have read are good as well, just dont get burned out on any one thing.
If there is a stadium nearby you might run some stairs. You never run fast enough that it is a sprint, but it forces you to lift and drive your legs on the up and find your balance on the down. Both important in rough country. The other suggestions i have read are good as well, just dont get burned out on any one thing.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jpspeeddemon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Basically, an elk hunt is purely endurance, so running Long Slow Distance is what you want to build endurance. Run for 30 minutes to 1 hour is not unreasonable. Also, those long back pack hikes are a great idea.
Lifting heavy weights builds explosive strength and light weight high reps is body building musclwe mass type stuff. Both are not conducive to endurance. There is a reason distance runners are thin, they don't lift weights.
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+1.
I weigh 150lbs soaking wet, I have not lifted a significant amount in 10+ years. But I only know 1 guy who can keep his own with me in the mountains, and he'd almost as skinny as me. I only wish I lifted a tad more so I could have shot the elk with a 70lb bow instead of 65lb.
However, I ran 2800 miles last year and 3100 the year before.
Lifting is good and all, but if you are sucking wind and don't have endurance that strength won't mean squat.
I've got a total of about 75lb on my back in that pick; the first trip back up the ridge I had ~100lb and made it 2 miles back to the truck..probably 600ft of vertical gain... in 85 degree weather without stopping. The first elk I shot I humped 80lbs out plus a Sendero rifle, 7-9 miles, 5000+ feet of climbing, with an ill-fitting pack. And I was beat up going into the hunt, having won a marathon the weekend before I left. In other words, you don't need to work on strength but fitness.
You need to run and either hike trails or an uphill treadmill with 60-70lb of weight in your pack, as fast as you can. The goal is to A) build that endurance, and B) get your support/back muscles used to that type of exercise. If you don't do "B" you are going to be one sore MF by the 3rd day.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jpspeeddemon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Basically, an elk hunt is purely endurance, so running Long Slow Distance is what you want to build endurance. Run for 30 minutes to 1 hour is not unreasonable. Also, those long back pack hikes are a great idea.
Lifting heavy weights builds explosive strength and light weight high reps is body building musclwe mass type stuff. Both are not conducive to endurance. There is a reason distance runners are thin, they don't lift weights.
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+1.
I weigh 150lbs soaking wet, I have not lifted a significant amount in 10+ years. But I only know 1 guy who can keep his own with me in the mountains, and he'd almost as skinny as me. I only wish I lifted a tad more so I could have shot the elk with a 70lb bow instead of 65lb.
However, I ran 2800 miles last year and 3100 the year before.
Lifting is good and all, but if you are sucking wind and don't have endurance that strength won't mean squat.
I've got a total of about 75lb on my back in that pick; the first trip back up the ridge I had ~100lb and made it 2 miles back to the truck..probably 600ft of vertical gain... in 85 degree weather without stopping. The first elk I shot I humped 80lbs out plus a Sendero rifle, 7-9 miles, 5000+ feet of climbing, with an ill-fitting pack. And I was beat up going into the hunt, having won a marathon the weekend before I left. In other words, you don't need to work on strength but fitness.
You need to run and either hike trails or an uphill treadmill with 60-70lb of weight in your pack, as fast as you can. The goal is to A) build that endurance, and B) get your support/back muscles used to that type of exercise. If you don't do "B" you are going to be one sore MF by the 3rd day.
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Hummm, all good advice for sure, I work on cardio for sure especially when hunting at elevation. I have a leg disability so I train for ELK hunts by shooting sub minute groups at 1k...I figure that way when I hunt in New Mexico I don’t have to chase them...as the "wad" comes to me I isolate the big bull and put him down hard.
Hummm, all good advice for sure, I work on cardio for sure especially when hunting at elevation. I have a leg disability so I train for ELK hunts by shooting sub minute groups at 1k...I figure that way when I hunt in New Mexico I don’t have to chase them...as the "wad" comes to me I isolate the big bull and put him down hard.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: totenkopf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hummm, all good advice for sure, I work on cardio for sure especially when hunting at elevation. I have a leg disability so I train for ELK hunts by shooting sub minute groups at 1k...I figure that way when I hunt in New Mexico I don’t have to chase them...as the "wad" comes to me I isolate the big bull and put him down hard.
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I shot mine at ~700 yds but I still had to back his butt out a 3-hr hike...
But I cheated and paid some locals with horses a bottle of whiskey to pick up the last trip from the trailside on their way through.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: totenkopf</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hummm, all good advice for sure, I work on cardio for sure especially when hunting at elevation. I have a leg disability so I train for ELK hunts by shooting sub minute groups at 1k...I figure that way when I hunt in New Mexico I don’t have to chase them...as the "wad" comes to me I isolate the big bull and put him down hard.
I shot mine at ~700 yds but I still had to back his butt out a 3-hr hike...
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I get out, and go hiking and predator hunting with the kids.
I would also recommend putting a fair amount of weight on your back, and walk miles in the hills as often as you can. I cannot stress this enough.
The one time that sticks out in my mind when I swore I would never pull the trigger on another Wapiti, I was 4 miles from base camp, I could raise anyone on our walky-talkies, and I had to make five trips, packing out horns and meat. Thankfully, my pickup was a little closer than camp, and I still razz my buddies about hiding intentionally and not answering their radios. LOL!
I went back the next year.
I get out, and go hiking and predator hunting with the kids.
I would also recommend putting a fair amount of weight on your back, and walk miles in the hills as often as you can. I cannot stress this enough.
The one time that sticks out in my mind when I swore I would never pull the trigger on another Wapiti, I was 4 miles from base camp, I could raise anyone on our walky-talkies, and I had to make five trips, packing out horns and meat. Thankfully, my pickup was a little closer than camp, and I still razz my buddies about hiding intentionally and not answering their radios. LOL!
I went back the next year.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jpspeeddemon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
There is a reason distance runners are thin, they don't lift weights.
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there is also a reason why they don't run distance with weight on their back!!! because they cant...
To the op... keep on lifting, and lift hard, its what I do all year round to stay in shape so when i have to carry my 50+lbs Eberlestock from Nov-Feb it makes it an easy job, don't forget to obviously get some cardio in for endurance, simply put some weight in your pack and roll out after your lifts, or preferably before your lifts... After all there is a reason a pack horse looks like a pack horse... because they are made to DO WORK!!! now, I'm going to go eat steel and get myself ready to be a pack horse for later this winter!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jpspeeddemon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
There is a reason distance runners are thin, they don't lift weights.
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there is also a reason why they don't run distance with weight on their back!!! because they cant...
To the op... keep on lifting, and lift hard, its what I do all year round to stay in shape so when i have to carry my 50+lbs Eberlestock from Nov-Feb it makes it an easy job, don't forget to obviously get some cardio in for endurance, simply put some weight in your pack and roll out after your lifts, or preferably before your lifts... After all there is a reason a pack horse looks like a pack horse... because they are made to DO WORK!!! now, I'm going to go eat steel and get myself ready to be a pack horse for later this winter!!!
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lifting, running, machines etc. all help with conditioning, but hiking with a pack will get all the muscles that you will need. If you can climb hills, do it but don't just go straight up and down. Sidehill so you can get the feel of how a pack feels and how to place your feet. If all you have is stairs change up how you step. Do 10 flights stepping heel first, up and down. That is the most natural climbing position because you use your thighs. Then do five flights toe first up and down to work the calves. next series skip a step(if you can! it might be too hard with a heavy pack). Run some to work your lungs but walk to really work the muscles. Start off with a pack weight that equals your day pack, rifle, etc. then work your way up to 50+ pounds. Feed bags work well. That'll hekp when you knock down a big ol bull and he has to come out in pieces!!!!!
lifting, running, machines etc. all help with conditioning, but hiking with a pack will get all the muscles that you will need. If you can climb hills, do it but don't just go straight up and down. Sidehill so you can get the feel of how a pack feels and how to place your feet. If all you have is stairs change up how you step. Do 10 flights stepping heel first, up and down. That is the most natural climbing position because you use your thighs. Then do five flights toe first up and down to work the calves. next series skip a step(if you can! it might be too hard with a heavy pack). Run some to work your lungs but walk to really work the muscles. Start off with a pack weight that equals your day pack, rifle, etc. then work your way up to 50+ pounds. Feed bags work well. That'll hekp when you knock down a big ol bull and he has to come out in pieces!!!!!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jpspeeddemon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
There is a reason distance runners are thin, they don't lift weights.
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there is also a reason why they don't run distance with weight on their back!!! because they cant... </div></div>
LOL. Whatever man. Size vs strength/endurance are very different things. I've hiked in past guys on horseback who had thrown in the towel and turned around. I've got absolutely nothing against lifting...wish I had time to do more of it...but it has limited value when it comes to getting one through an elk hunt. Significant aerobic exercise and fast back hiking are much better bang for the buck.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jpspeeddemon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
There is a reason distance runners are thin, they don't lift weights.
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there is also a reason why they don't run distance with weight on their back!!! because they cant... </div></div>
LOL. Whatever man. Size vs strength/endurance are very different things. I've hiked in past guys on horseback who had thrown in the towel and turned around. I've got absolutely nothing against lifting...wish I had time to do more of it...but it has limited value when it comes to getting one through an elk hunt. Significant aerobic exercise and fast back hiking are much better bang for the buck.
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For me its weights and cardio...just adjust my training about july for my elk hunt in Oct. I dont do a powerlifter routine but its like keeping my reps at 50 for sets of 5 with only 2 rest in between...keep the weight where i can get 40 to 50 each set...then follow up with weighted lunges...long and deep till my legs are like jello.
on to hamstrings..lots of reps (min 25-30) and sets..stiff legged,hammie curls,
You would be surprised how much the hams come into play walking down hill w a heavy pack..
then the calf torture begins...once done..
hit the stair climber and work up to an hour on level 6 or 7 then start adding weight to the back pack while on the stair stepper...
I am like Skinney, I believe in being strong and having endurance...try doing 50 reps with just 135 on the bar for 50 reps and we will see how much wind your sucking...now do this 5 times...
that is the leg workout...usually so sore for 4 to 5 days so there is no way to even think about doing legs for at least 5 to 6 days...
I wont get into the other details about the other large muscle groups (chest and back) but it gets hammered as well.
As far as the beach muscles...really dont worry about them cause I am trying to impress the elk with the size of my bi's and tri's
This training has served me well packing out elk meat and going where I need to go...
For me its weights and cardio...just adjust my training about july for my elk hunt in Oct. I dont do a powerlifter routine but its like keeping my reps at 50 for sets of 5 with only 2 rest in between...keep the weight where i can get 40 to 50 each set...then follow up with weighted lunges...long and deep till my legs are like jello.
on to hamstrings..lots of reps (min 25-30) and sets..stiff legged,hammie curls,
You would be surprised how much the hams come into play walking down hill w a heavy pack..
then the calf torture begins...once done..
hit the stair climber and work up to an hour on level 6 or 7 then start adding weight to the back pack while on the stair stepper...
I am like Skinney, I believe in being strong and having endurance...try doing 50 reps with just 135 on the bar for 50 reps and we will see how much wind your sucking...now do this 5 times...
that is the leg workout...usually so sore for 4 to 5 days so there is no way to even think about doing legs for at least 5 to 6 days...
I wont get into the other details about the other large muscle groups (chest and back) but it gets hammered as well.
As far as the beach muscles...really dont worry about them cause I am trying to impress the elk with the size of my bi's and tri's
This training has served me well packing out elk meat and going where I need to go...
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as it gets closer to oct I will increase the freq adding 3 days a week of pack on stair climber till I am on it 6 days a week. I can say hunting elk helps keep me motivated for staying in shape and eating right.
Years ago I missed out on killing a big elk cause I had let myself get fat and out of shape...ever since then its been a fire burning in me that one thing that wont hold me back from getting the elk of a lifetime wont be from lack of training!!
as it gets closer to oct I will increase the freq adding 3 days a week of pack on stair climber till I am on it 6 days a week. I can say hunting elk helps keep me motivated for staying in shape and eating right.
Years ago I missed out on killing a big elk cause I had let myself get fat and out of shape...ever since then its been a fire burning in me that one thing that wont hold me back from getting the elk of a lifetime wont be from lack of training!!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jpspeeddemon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
There is a reason distance runners are thin, they don't lift weights.
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there is also a reason why they don't run distance with weight on their back!!! because they cant... </div></div>
LOL. Whatever man. Size vs strength/endurance are very different things. I've hiked in past guys on horseback who had thrown in the towel and turned around. I've got absolutely nothing against lifting...wish I had time to do more of it...but it has limited value when it comes to getting one through an elk hunt. Significant aerobic exercise and fast back hiking are much better bang for the buck. </div></div>
LOL... what??? sure strength and endurance are two different things, look @ you and look @ me, two totally different sets of genetics, and structure... I have no need or better yet no desire to be the marathon type, I train for what I do every day of my life, while you pack on 20-50lbs of meat and make multiple trips, I'll pack on 100-200lbs and make 1/2 the trips you will.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jpspeeddemon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
There is a reason distance runners are thin, they don't lift weights.
</div></div>
there is also a reason why they don't run distance with weight on their back!!! because they cant... </div></div>
LOL. Whatever man. Size vs strength/endurance are very different things. I've hiked in past guys on horseback who had thrown in the towel and turned around. I've got absolutely nothing against lifting...wish I had time to do more of it...but it has limited value when it comes to getting one through an elk hunt. Significant aerobic exercise and fast back hiking are much better bang for the buck. </div></div>
LOL... what??? sure strength and endurance are two different things, look @ you and look @ me, two totally different sets of genetics, and structure... I have no need or better yet no desire to be the marathon type, I train for what I do every day of my life, while you pack on 20-50lbs of meat and make multiple trips, I'll pack on 100-200lbs and make 1/2 the trips you will.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
LOL. Whatever man. Size vs strength/endurance are very different things. I've hiked in past guys on horseback who had thrown in the towel and turned around. I've got absolutely nothing against lifting...wish I had time to do more of it...but it has limited value when it comes to getting one through an elk hunt. Significant aerobic exercise and fast back hiking are much better bang for the buck. </div></div>
This is a common mis-conception by skinny people who have never been strong *relative to their genetic potential*. Go get strong and see for yourself. I was skinny and a cyclist for 20+ years... I added 40 lbs of muscle and got my squat over 400lbs 2 yrs ago and I'll never go back to light and weak.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
LOL. Whatever man. Size vs strength/endurance are very different things. I've hiked in past guys on horseback who had thrown in the towel and turned around. I've got absolutely nothing against lifting...wish I had time to do more of it...but it has limited value when it comes to getting one through an elk hunt. Significant aerobic exercise and fast back hiking are much better bang for the buck. </div></div>
This is a common mis-conception by skinny people who have never been strong *relative to their genetic potential*. Go get strong and see for yourself. I was skinny and a cyclist for 20+ years... I added 40 lbs of muscle and got my squat over 400lbs 2 yrs ago and I'll never go back to light and weak.
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Yeah I'm not a small guy and the lightest I am going to get is 190. Thanks for all the info. My cousin is a thin guy and he was doing circles around me but I was the "pack mule" His rifle was heavier than mine but I caried the tent with the rest of my gear. When everything was soaked from the storm the night before it was heavy. My biggest goal is to not be the limiting factor as to how far we hike in to set up camp or how long it takes to climb up a mountain. 3.5hrs to climb 3k feet is not good in my book. I'm not going to use asthma or diabetis as an excuse, I just wasn't prepared like I thought I was.
Yeah I'm not a small guy and the lightest I am going to get is 190. Thanks for all the info. My cousin is a thin guy and he was doing circles around me but I was the "pack mule" His rifle was heavier than mine but I caried the tent with the rest of my gear. When everything was soaked from the storm the night before it was heavy. My biggest goal is to not be the limiting factor as to how far we hike in to set up camp or how long it takes to climb up a mountain. 3.5hrs to climb 3k feet is not good in my book. I'm not going to use asthma or diabetis as an excuse, I just wasn't prepared like I thought I was.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jpspeeddemon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
There is a reason distance runners are thin, they don't lift weights.
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there is also a reason why they don't run distance with weight on their back!!! because they cant... </div></div>
LOL. Whatever man. Size vs strength/endurance are very different things. I've hiked in past guys on horseback who had thrown in the towel and turned around. I've got absolutely nothing against lifting...wish I had time to do more of it...but it has limited value when it comes to getting one through an elk hunt. Significant aerobic exercise and fast back hiking are much better bang for the buck. </div></div>
LOL... what??? sure strength and endurance are two different things, look @ you and look @ me, two totally different sets of genetics, and structure... I have no need or better yet no desire to be the marathon type, I train for what I do every day of my life, while you pack on 20-50lbs of meat and make multiple trips, I'll pack on 100-200lbs and make 1/2 the trips you will. </div></div>
See there's the difference between you and me. I clearly stated I had nothing against lifting, only that endurance is of primary importance to make it through a hunt. You, on the other hand, have the personality type that you feel the need to attack me personally and call me weak in order to build yourself up. I don't care how big you are, you are a pretty small man in my eyes.
You also cannot read well. I clearly stated I've come out with 100lbs on my back, and you throw out 20-50lbs? That's a pretty assinine reply.
I too train for what I do in everyday life. Skinny does not equal weak. Strong in the weight room doing a few reps does not equal strong on the mountain, pushing the load uphill for several thousand strides. I've seen enough big tough guys puke on a hike from lack of endurance not to be impressed with lifting alone. Strength is good, but only if you back it up with endurance. People who get their strength from the weight room alone are often the first to be unable to apply it in real life situations. I've had to transfer weight into my pack from the pack of a guy with a 300+ lb bench because he couldn't hack it. Weight room numbers don't impress me.
Sure, if you have time, do both. My point is that you don't have to be Hercules if you have good endurance. If you are Hercules, it doesn't mean a damn thing if you lack endurance.
MTA: The fact that you are talking about packing out 200lbs of elk meat makes me serious doubt you have ever killed an elk, much less packed one out like that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jpspeeddemon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
There is a reason distance runners are thin, they don't lift weights.
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there is also a reason why they don't run distance with weight on their back!!! because they cant... </div></div>
LOL. Whatever man. Size vs strength/endurance are very different things. I've hiked in past guys on horseback who had thrown in the towel and turned around. I've got absolutely nothing against lifting...wish I had time to do more of it...but it has limited value when it comes to getting one through an elk hunt. Significant aerobic exercise and fast back hiking are much better bang for the buck. </div></div>
LOL... what??? sure strength and endurance are two different things, look @ you and look @ me, two totally different sets of genetics, and structure... I have no need or better yet no desire to be the marathon type, I train for what I do every day of my life, while you pack on 20-50lbs of meat and make multiple trips, I'll pack on 100-200lbs and make 1/2 the trips you will. </div></div>
See there's the difference between you and me. I clearly stated I had nothing against lifting, only that endurance is of primary importance to make it through a hunt. You, on the other hand, have the personality type that you feel the need to attack me personally and call me weak in order to build yourself up. I don't care how big you are, you are a pretty small man in my eyes.
You also cannot read well. I clearly stated I've come out with 100lbs on my back, and you throw out 20-50lbs? That's a pretty assinine reply.
I too train for what I do in everyday life. Skinny does not equal weak. Strong in the weight room doing a few reps does not equal strong on the mountain, pushing the load uphill for several thousand strides. I've seen enough big tough guys puke on a hike from lack of endurance not to be impressed with lifting alone. Strength is good, but only if you back it up with endurance. People who get their strength from the weight room alone are often the first to be unable to apply it in real life situations. I've had to transfer weight into my pack from the pack of a guy with a 300+ lb bench because he couldn't hack it. Weight room numbers don't impress me.
Sure, if you have time, do both. My point is that you don't have to be Hercules if you have good endurance. If you are Hercules, it doesn't mean a damn thing if you lack endurance.
MTA: The fact that you are talking about packing out 200lbs of elk meat makes me serious doubt you have ever killed an elk, much less packed one out like that.
Re: Elk hunt training
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WhiskeyWebber</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
LOL. Whatever man. Size vs strength/endurance are very different things. I've hiked in past guys on horseback who had thrown in the towel and turned around. I've got absolutely nothing against lifting...wish I had time to do more of it...but it has limited value when it comes to getting one through an elk hunt. Significant aerobic exercise and fast back hiking are much better bang for the buck. </div></div>
This is a common mis-conception by skinny people who have never been strong *relative to their genetic potential*. Go get strong and see for yourself. I was skinny and a cyclist for 20+ years... I added 40 lbs of muscle and got my squat over 400lbs 2 yrs ago and I'll never go back to light and weak. </div></div>
Light and weak are two different things not necessarily related. Benching 400lbs doesn't mean a damn thing on an elk hunt if you don't have the endurance to keep moving at a quick pace with weight on your back when the air is thin.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WhiskeyWebber</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
LOL. Whatever man. Size vs strength/endurance are very different things. I've hiked in past guys on horseback who had thrown in the towel and turned around. I've got absolutely nothing against lifting...wish I had time to do more of it...but it has limited value when it comes to getting one through an elk hunt. Significant aerobic exercise and fast back hiking are much better bang for the buck. </div></div>
This is a common mis-conception by skinny people who have never been strong *relative to their genetic potential*. Go get strong and see for yourself. I was skinny and a cyclist for 20+ years... I added 40 lbs of muscle and got my squat over 400lbs 2 yrs ago and I'll never go back to light and weak. </div></div>
Light and weak are two different things not necessarily related. Benching 400lbs doesn't mean a damn thing on an elk hunt if you don't have the endurance to keep moving at a quick pace with weight on your back when the air is thin.
Re: Elk hunt training
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Benching 400lbs </div></div>
I wrote Squat 400.
Altitude adaptation is a stressor just like anything else and the body will adjust. I lived in CO for a few years and spent most of that time on my bike and hiking up to high altitude lakes in the hills. High altitude sucks when you aren't adapted to it.
My contention is that if you focused in the weight room and ate enough food to get your SQUAT over 400, you will have built a strength base that will serve you well in the future. As you build your high altitude endurance specialization back you will be much more capable of higher performance ie carry more faster.
Strength is a general adaptation that serves as a basis for greater performance in all athletic endeavors. Get strong first, then specialize in your given sport. I just wish more people would get under a barbell and try to prove me wrong. Most people who disagree with me have never spent the time to go get themselves strong. (strong is a relative term here again...strong for your particular genetic potential)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Benching 400lbs </div></div>
I wrote Squat 400.
Altitude adaptation is a stressor just like anything else and the body will adjust. I lived in CO for a few years and spent most of that time on my bike and hiking up to high altitude lakes in the hills. High altitude sucks when you aren't adapted to it.
My contention is that if you focused in the weight room and ate enough food to get your SQUAT over 400, you will have built a strength base that will serve you well in the future. As you build your high altitude endurance specialization back you will be much more capable of higher performance ie carry more faster.
Strength is a general adaptation that serves as a basis for greater performance in all athletic endeavors. Get strong first, then specialize in your given sport. I just wish more people would get under a barbell and try to prove me wrong. Most people who disagree with me have never spent the time to go get themselves strong. (strong is a relative term here again...strong for your particular genetic potential)
Re: Elk hunt training
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You, on the other hand, have the personality type that you feel the need to attack me personally and call me weak in order to build yourself up. I don't care how big you are, you are a pretty small man in my eyes.</div></div>
WOW... you don't know me... don't change the sequence of events, by trying to say I "attacked" you personally, come on dude... seriously???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I too train for what I do in everyday life. Skinny does not equal weak. Strong in the weight room doing a few reps does not equal strong on the mountain, pushing the load uphill for several thousand strides.</div></div>
look @ any of my previous posts and tell me where i said skinny ='s weak, but yet to you being strong does not = strength, which in turn does not impress you??? you have no Idea what I do from 4 a.m until 8 p.m, my work training and work ethic go hand in hand, getting strong from the steel is only a portion of strength for my work.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I've seen enough big tough guys puke on a hike from lack of endurance not to be impressed with lifting alone. Strength is good, but only if you back it up with endurance. People who get their strength from the weight room alone are often the first to be unable to apply it in real life situations. I've had to transfer weight into my pack from the pack of a guy with a 300+ lb bench because he couldn't hack it. Weight room numbers don't impress me. </div></div>
dude listen to yourself... sounds like you have it out for guys bigger than you, passing em up on the peaks while they're pukin, making em feel like big dumb meatheads while your running circles around em, passing up the pack horses, while all the while your hauling out over half your body weight in meat @ the same time!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">MTA: The fact that you are talking about packing out 200lbs of elk meat makes me serious doubt you have ever killed an elk, much less packed one out like that. </div></div>
like I said in my first sentence, you don't know me, are you sure you want to venture as to say I've "never" killed an elk???
Reality check for ya ATH... your a hunter, I'm a hunter, I love it, and I'm sure you do as well, instead of cluttering up the op's "training" thread, you gave him your insight and so did I, personally I don't care how big you are, or how skinny you are, how many miles you run, how much you squat, bench or can pack out, its a matter of having the same mindset, and passion for the sport. You train for the hunt, and pack out your trophy how you see fit and I'll be right there packin with ya.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You, on the other hand, have the personality type that you feel the need to attack me personally and call me weak in order to build yourself up. I don't care how big you are, you are a pretty small man in my eyes.</div></div>
WOW... you don't know me... don't change the sequence of events, by trying to say I "attacked" you personally, come on dude... seriously???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I too train for what I do in everyday life. Skinny does not equal weak. Strong in the weight room doing a few reps does not equal strong on the mountain, pushing the load uphill for several thousand strides.</div></div>
look @ any of my previous posts and tell me where i said skinny ='s weak, but yet to you being strong does not = strength, which in turn does not impress you??? you have no Idea what I do from 4 a.m until 8 p.m, my work training and work ethic go hand in hand, getting strong from the steel is only a portion of strength for my work.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I've seen enough big tough guys puke on a hike from lack of endurance not to be impressed with lifting alone. Strength is good, but only if you back it up with endurance. People who get their strength from the weight room alone are often the first to be unable to apply it in real life situations. I've had to transfer weight into my pack from the pack of a guy with a 300+ lb bench because he couldn't hack it. Weight room numbers don't impress me. </div></div>
dude listen to yourself... sounds like you have it out for guys bigger than you, passing em up on the peaks while they're pukin, making em feel like big dumb meatheads while your running circles around em, passing up the pack horses, while all the while your hauling out over half your body weight in meat @ the same time!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">MTA: The fact that you are talking about packing out 200lbs of elk meat makes me serious doubt you have ever killed an elk, much less packed one out like that. </div></div>
like I said in my first sentence, you don't know me, are you sure you want to venture as to say I've "never" killed an elk???
Reality check for ya ATH... your a hunter, I'm a hunter, I love it, and I'm sure you do as well, instead of cluttering up the op's "training" thread, you gave him your insight and so did I, personally I don't care how big you are, or how skinny you are, how many miles you run, how much you squat, bench or can pack out, its a matter of having the same mindset, and passion for the sport. You train for the hunt, and pack out your trophy how you see fit and I'll be right there packin with ya.
Re: Elk hunt training
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">there is also a reason why they don't run distance with weight on their back!!! because they cant...</span>
I have no need or better yet no desire to be the marathon type, I train for what I do every day of my life, while<span style="font-weight: bold"> you pack on 20-50lbs of meat and make multiple trips, </span>I'll pack on 100-200lbs and make 1/2 the trips you will. </div></div>
The first was a general attack on people like me...the second was clearly personal. It's pretty cut and dry.
I've been pretty clear that I have nothing against lifting and, if you have time, it's good, only that for mountain hunting you have nothing if you don't have endurance.
You look at a pic of me, then reply that I'm only going to pack out 20-50lbs, and then claim you never equated skinny with weak? Rather than sticking to general comments, you took it to you vs me. It's a bit late to claim that is not personal. And yes, I still do question anyone who claims they're humping around typical elk country with a 200lb pack.
To clarify, what you can max in the weight room is meaningful in that context but the kind of explosive strength that gives you a max lift in that context means very little in the context of hunting. That sort of lifting depends heavily on fast-twitch muscle, while carrying weight in the field is all about slow-twitch muscle. A high weight room max does not necessarily mean much of anything past the first short distance of hiking...you have a lot of muscle mass you must carry that has no endurance to help you. (Now if you are diligent to make sure you have both strength and endurance, that is another matter).
I really dislike stupid disagreements on the internet, especially among like-minded people, so I suggest if you think we should get along because we enjoy similar passions that you think before you decide to knock other people directly to build up your point of view.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">there is also a reason why they don't run distance with weight on their back!!! because they cant...</span>
I have no need or better yet no desire to be the marathon type, I train for what I do every day of my life, while<span style="font-weight: bold"> you pack on 20-50lbs of meat and make multiple trips, </span>I'll pack on 100-200lbs and make 1/2 the trips you will. </div></div>
The first was a general attack on people like me...the second was clearly personal. It's pretty cut and dry.
I've been pretty clear that I have nothing against lifting and, if you have time, it's good, only that for mountain hunting you have nothing if you don't have endurance.
You look at a pic of me, then reply that I'm only going to pack out 20-50lbs, and then claim you never equated skinny with weak? Rather than sticking to general comments, you took it to you vs me. It's a bit late to claim that is not personal. And yes, I still do question anyone who claims they're humping around typical elk country with a 200lb pack.
To clarify, what you can max in the weight room is meaningful in that context but the kind of explosive strength that gives you a max lift in that context means very little in the context of hunting. That sort of lifting depends heavily on fast-twitch muscle, while carrying weight in the field is all about slow-twitch muscle. A high weight room max does not necessarily mean much of anything past the first short distance of hiking...you have a lot of muscle mass you must carry that has no endurance to help you. (Now if you are diligent to make sure you have both strength and endurance, that is another matter).
I really dislike stupid disagreements on the internet, especially among like-minded people, so I suggest if you think we should get along because we enjoy similar passions that you think before you decide to knock other people directly to build up your point of view.
Re: Elk hunt training
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">there is also a reason why they don't run distance with weight on their back!!! because they cant...</span>
I have no need or better yet no desire to be the marathon type, I train for what I do every day of my life, while<span style="font-weight: bold"> you pack on 20-50lbs of meat and make multiple trips, </span>I'll pack on 100-200lbs and make 1/2 the trips you will. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The first was a general attack on people like me...the second was clearly personal. It's pretty cut and dry.</div></div>
so you do run marathons with weight on your back???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You look at a pic of me, then reply that I'm only going to pack out 20-50lbs, and then claim you never equated skinny with weak? </div></div>
did you not see my post about me packing my 50lbs eberle all winter long while hunting??? how do you know what I look like, I may be skinnier than you, and even if I'm not who the hell cares, All I am saying is its better to have initial strength for packing, its easy to build up endurance.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I really dislike stupid disagreements on the internet, especially among like-minded people, so I suggest if you think we should get along because we enjoy similar passions that you think before you decide to knock other people directly to build up your point of view. </div></div>
as do I, but I'm still LMFAO because you think I'm seriously picking on you to build my ego... sorry man, but I'm not that type of guy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">there is also a reason why they don't run distance with weight on their back!!! because they cant...</span>
I have no need or better yet no desire to be the marathon type, I train for what I do every day of my life, while<span style="font-weight: bold"> you pack on 20-50lbs of meat and make multiple trips, </span>I'll pack on 100-200lbs and make 1/2 the trips you will. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The first was a general attack on people like me...the second was clearly personal. It's pretty cut and dry.</div></div>
so you do run marathons with weight on your back???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You look at a pic of me, then reply that I'm only going to pack out 20-50lbs, and then claim you never equated skinny with weak? </div></div>
did you not see my post about me packing my 50lbs eberle all winter long while hunting??? how do you know what I look like, I may be skinnier than you, and even if I'm not who the hell cares, All I am saying is its better to have initial strength for packing, its easy to build up endurance.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I really dislike stupid disagreements on the internet, especially among like-minded people, so I suggest if you think we should get along because we enjoy similar passions that you think before you decide to knock other people directly to build up your point of view. </div></div>
as do I, but I'm still LMFAO because you think I'm seriously picking on you to build my ego... sorry man, but I'm not that type of guy.
Re: Elk hunt training
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WhiskeyWebber</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Benching 400lbs </div></div>
I wrote Squat 400.
Altitude adaptation is a stressor just like anything else and the body will adjust. I lived in CO for a few years and spent most of that time on my bike and hiking up to high altitude lakes in the hills. High altitude sucks when you aren't adapted to it.
My contention is that if you focused in the weight room and ate enough food to get your SQUAT over 400, you will have built a strength base that will serve you well in the future. As you build your high altitude endurance specialization back you will be much more capable of higher performance ie carry more faster.
Strength is a general adaptation that serves as a basis for greater performance in all athletic endeavors. Get strong first, then specialize in your given sport. I just wish more people would get under a barbell and try to prove me wrong. Most people who disagree with me have never spent the time to go get themselves strong. (strong is a relative term here again...strong for your particular genetic potential)
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I apologize for the confusion bench vs squat, I was making a general comment related to your very specific comment. You are correct, there is a difference.
I agree that strength first is a great base to build on. My replies have been more from the context of someone who has a limited timeframe to train for a hunt (most people don't think about this years in advance). If someone has, say, 8 months to prepare for a hunt, they aren't going to put on 40lbs of muscle in that time and completely change their physique, and then add endurance and aerobic fitness on top of that. I agree that that strategy is great in the long term, but in terms of biggest bang for the buck, endurance and aerobic fitness is most important.
Think of it this way....if you don't shoot anything...which odds on most hunts say you won't....aren't you more likely to enjoy the experience if you aren't winded and miserable the whole time? I've elk hunted for 4 years, and I spent a LOT more miles carrying 20-40lbs hunting, than carrying out meat-heavy packs. Probably 20-to-1.
You also have a different perspective living at altitude. You have a built-in adaptation a lot of people don't. My running history means I can go to altitude and have a very limited impact on what I do on a hunt. I've prepared people for altitude hunts on FAR less running than I do, and it makes a huge difference for them.
Now, you have to have some baseline strength. My hunting partners are either a) recent former military, so they spent a decent amount of time in the weight room, or b) still do some active farming, so have decent general strength.
I'm sure none of us can squat 400lbs. Yet we pack game out with no issues. If you have BOTH the strength AND stamina to hump out 75-100lbs at altitude without a lot of stopping, you can have an enjoyable hunt. You don't need to squat 400lbs to do that, and you don't need to run marathons to do that.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WhiskeyWebber</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Benching 400lbs </div></div>
I wrote Squat 400.
Altitude adaptation is a stressor just like anything else and the body will adjust. I lived in CO for a few years and spent most of that time on my bike and hiking up to high altitude lakes in the hills. High altitude sucks when you aren't adapted to it.
My contention is that if you focused in the weight room and ate enough food to get your SQUAT over 400, you will have built a strength base that will serve you well in the future. As you build your high altitude endurance specialization back you will be much more capable of higher performance ie carry more faster.
Strength is a general adaptation that serves as a basis for greater performance in all athletic endeavors. Get strong first, then specialize in your given sport. I just wish more people would get under a barbell and try to prove me wrong. Most people who disagree with me have never spent the time to go get themselves strong. (strong is a relative term here again...strong for your particular genetic potential)
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I apologize for the confusion bench vs squat, I was making a general comment related to your very specific comment. You are correct, there is a difference.
I agree that strength first is a great base to build on. My replies have been more from the context of someone who has a limited timeframe to train for a hunt (most people don't think about this years in advance). If someone has, say, 8 months to prepare for a hunt, they aren't going to put on 40lbs of muscle in that time and completely change their physique, and then add endurance and aerobic fitness on top of that. I agree that that strategy is great in the long term, but in terms of biggest bang for the buck, endurance and aerobic fitness is most important.
Think of it this way....if you don't shoot anything...which odds on most hunts say you won't....aren't you more likely to enjoy the experience if you aren't winded and miserable the whole time? I've elk hunted for 4 years, and I spent a LOT more miles carrying 20-40lbs hunting, than carrying out meat-heavy packs. Probably 20-to-1.
You also have a different perspective living at altitude. You have a built-in adaptation a lot of people don't. My running history means I can go to altitude and have a very limited impact on what I do on a hunt. I've prepared people for altitude hunts on FAR less running than I do, and it makes a huge difference for them.
Now, you have to have some baseline strength. My hunting partners are either a) recent former military, so they spent a decent amount of time in the weight room, or b) still do some active farming, so have decent general strength.
I'm sure none of us can squat 400lbs. Yet we pack game out with no issues. If you have BOTH the strength AND stamina to hump out 75-100lbs at altitude without a lot of stopping, you can have an enjoyable hunt. You don't need to squat 400lbs to do that, and you don't need to run marathons to do that.
Re: Elk hunt training
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">there is also a reason why they don't run distance with weight on their back!!! because they cant...</span>
I have no need or better yet no desire to be the marathon type, I train for what I do every day of my life, while<span style="font-weight: bold"> you pack on 20-50lbs of meat and make multiple trips, </span>I'll pack on 100-200lbs and make 1/2 the trips you will. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The first was a general attack on people like me...the second was clearly personal. It's pretty cut and dry.</div></div>
so you do run marathons with weight on your back???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You look at a pic of me, then reply that I'm only going to pack out 20-50lbs, and then claim you never equated skinny with weak? </div></div>
did you not see my post about me packing my 50lbs eberle all winter long while hunting??? how do you know what I look like, I may be skinnier than you, and even if I'm not who the hell cares, All I am saying is its better to have initial strength for packing, its easy to build up endurance.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I really dislike stupid disagreements on the internet, especially among like-minded people, so I suggest if you think we should get along because we enjoy similar passions that you think before you decide to knock other people directly to build up your point of view. </div></div>
as do I, but I'm still LMFAO because you think I'm seriously picking on you to build my ego... sorry man, but I'm not that type of guy. </div></div>
Have a good life and good hunting, buddy. I tried, but you're really not worth my time.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<span style="font-weight: bold">there is also a reason why they don't run distance with weight on their back!!! because they cant...</span>
I have no need or better yet no desire to be the marathon type, I train for what I do every day of my life, while<span style="font-weight: bold"> you pack on 20-50lbs of meat and make multiple trips, </span>I'll pack on 100-200lbs and make 1/2 the trips you will. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The first was a general attack on people like me...the second was clearly personal. It's pretty cut and dry.</div></div>
so you do run marathons with weight on your back???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You look at a pic of me, then reply that I'm only going to pack out 20-50lbs, and then claim you never equated skinny with weak? </div></div>
did you not see my post about me packing my 50lbs eberle all winter long while hunting??? how do you know what I look like, I may be skinnier than you, and even if I'm not who the hell cares, All I am saying is its better to have initial strength for packing, its easy to build up endurance.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I really dislike stupid disagreements on the internet, especially among like-minded people, so I suggest if you think we should get along because we enjoy similar passions that you think before you decide to knock other people directly to build up your point of view. </div></div>
as do I, but I'm still LMFAO because you think I'm seriously picking on you to build my ego... sorry man, but I'm not that type of guy. </div></div>
Have a good life and good hunting, buddy. I tried, but you're really not worth my time.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Have a good life and good hunting, buddy. </div></div>
Roger that... great pic BTW, not many guys get the chance or have the capabilities to hunt elk!!!
To the OP:
Build some strength and then get some endurance, I packed these little guys out for my clients!!!
here's a couple that were easy going, just quartered em out and packed em about 400-800yds
almost forgot about this one, my 87lb alphamax pushed my MX4 with enough force to do a complete pass through and bury into the hill on the other side... not only am I passionate about the outdoors, I do my part culling the bad genetics, I'm still kicking myself for passing up a 300"er just to take out the bad genes this guy was throwin... hoping karma will treat me good next go round...
Glad I'm squating over 600, sure made this one easy out
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Have a good life and good hunting, buddy. </div></div>
Roger that... great pic BTW, not many guys get the chance or have the capabilities to hunt elk!!!
To the OP:
Build some strength and then get some endurance, I packed these little guys out for my clients!!!
here's a couple that were easy going, just quartered em out and packed em about 400-800yds
almost forgot about this one, my 87lb alphamax pushed my MX4 with enough force to do a complete pass through and bury into the hill on the other side... not only am I passionate about the outdoors, I do my part culling the bad genetics, I'm still kicking myself for passing up a 300"er just to take out the bad genes this guy was throwin... hoping karma will treat me good next go round...
Glad I'm squating over 600, sure made this one easy out
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Damn Skinney...got some tree trunks supporting that frame. What the hell.... let me throw mine in there.
Damn Skinney...got some tree trunks supporting that frame. What the hell.... let me throw mine in there.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hntelk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damn Skinney...got some tree trunks supporting that frame. What the hell.... let me throw mine in there.
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Nice... I bet you could pack a hell of a load of meat with thighs like that eh!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hntelk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damn Skinney...got some tree trunks supporting that frame. What the hell.... let me throw mine in there.
Nice... I bet you could pack a hell of a load of meat with thighs like that eh!!!
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All of ya'll are wrong!!!! This is the way to pack elk!!!
HAHAHA! May we all be packin bulls this year....however they come out!!!
All of ya'll are wrong!!!! This is the way to pack elk!!!
HAHAHA! May we all be packin bulls this year....however they come out!!!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NMpistolero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
HAHAHA! May we all be packin bulls this year....however they come out!!! </div></div>
Amen brother, BTW I like your method!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NMpistolero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
HAHAHA! May we all be packin bulls this year....however they come out!!! </div></div>
Amen brother, BTW I like your method!!!
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LOL...NMpistol....I am going to call you when I come out to New Mexico this year....give the old legs and back a rest!
LOL...NMpistol....I am going to call you when I come out to New Mexico this year....give the old legs and back a rest!
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Yeah those winches are worth their weight in gold!
Hntelk, you might as well call, everybody else does!!!! hahaha. I probly haul out 8 bulls a year suckin them up in the bed like that. Where we hunt, 95 percent of the bulls we kill we can get a pickup to, one way or another, but there's inevitably always one that falls in a canyon and then the packs come out....
Yeah those winches are worth their weight in gold!
Hntelk, you might as well call, everybody else does!!!! hahaha. I probly haul out 8 bulls a year suckin them up in the bed like that. Where we hunt, 95 percent of the bulls we kill we can get a pickup to, one way or another, but there's inevitably always one that falls in a canyon and then the packs come out....
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We've got guys taking pics of their legs and talkin about haulin meat. This thread is epic.
Training for elk hunting. LOTS of cardio and leg stamina. With my crew it helps if you can still function after too many beers and some Crown Royal the night before... Mostly have to bone and pack em out, but not more than a couple miles.
We've got guys taking pics of their legs and talkin about haulin meat. This thread is epic.
Training for elk hunting. LOTS of cardio and leg stamina. With my crew it helps if you can still function after too many beers and some Crown Royal the night before... Mostly have to bone and pack em out, but not more than a couple miles.
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Weekdays - Jog 1 mile with two 45lb barbell weights, one in each hand.
Weekends - 5 mile ruck march on saturday and sunday
You will be in shape within one month
Weekdays - Jog 1 mile with two 45lb barbell weights, one in each hand.
Weekends - 5 mile ruck march on saturday and sunday
You will be in shape within one month
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowe Left</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We've got guys taking pics of their legs and talkin about haulin meat. This thread is epic.
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You're not kidding. Don't need to say much once the leg pics were whipped out.
Meat hauling is a small part of elk hunting. Hope you're lucky enough to need to worry about it, most guys who pull a tag go out lighter than they came in. Focus on what you will need to get through the overall experience and still enjoy it. Consider the particulars of your hunt -- mountains vs not, altitude vs not, distance from the truck, etc -- and gear your training accordingly.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowe Left</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We've got guys taking pics of their legs and talkin about haulin meat. This thread is epic.
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You're not kidding. Don't need to say much once the leg pics were whipped out.
Meat hauling is a small part of elk hunting. Hope you're lucky enough to need to worry about it, most guys who pull a tag go out lighter than they came in. Focus on what you will need to get through the overall experience and still enjoy it. Consider the particulars of your hunt -- mountains vs not, altitude vs not, distance from the truck, etc -- and gear your training accordingly.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You're not kidding. Don't need to say much once the leg pics were whipped out.
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ATH... thought you would like that, that's the tools us country boys like to use!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ATH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You're not kidding. Don't need to say much once the leg pics were whipped out.
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ATH... thought you would like that, that's the tools us country boys like to use!!!
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skinney is a pack horse im pretty sure i can rent him out for hire if anyone needs a big ass bull packed out this hunting season lol
skinney is a pack horse im pretty sure i can rent him out for hire if anyone needs a big ass bull packed out this hunting season lol
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dr mr ath please be nice to mr skinney as i have met him before at a gun show in rapidcity sd and he is a very large fellow that if he says he can pack out 200lbs of meat i would not argue with that.
dr mr ath please be nice to mr skinney as i have met him before at a gun show in rapidcity sd and he is a very large fellow that if he says he can pack out 200lbs of meat i would not argue with that.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: motodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dr mr ath please be nice to mr skinney as i have met him before at a gun show in rapidcity sd and he is a very large fellow that if he says he can pack out 200lbs of meat i would not argue with that.</div></div>
lol...i have video of us packing one out, we didn't accually weigh anything but it took us 1 trip each and the hunter carried the hide...he doesn't mess around thats for sure.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: motodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dr mr ath please be nice to mr skinney as i have met him before at a gun show in rapidcity sd and he is a very large fellow that if he says he can pack out 200lbs of meat i would not argue with that.</div></div>
lol...i have video of us packing one out, we didn't accually weigh anything but it took us 1 trip each and the hunter carried the hide...he doesn't mess around thats for sure.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: motodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dr mr ath please be nice to mr skinney as i have met him before at a gun show in rapidcity sd and he is a very large fellow that if he says he can pack out 200lbs of meat i would not argue with that. </div></div>
Ha, well, one reaps what they sow. I'm not one that took a cut at anyone here. I have to admit I am entertained by people that take pics of their own legs to post on the Internet though.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: motodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dr mr ath please be nice to mr skinney as i have met him before at a gun show in rapidcity sd and he is a very large fellow that if he says he can pack out 200lbs of meat i would not argue with that. </div></div>
Ha, well, one reaps what they sow. I'm not one that took a cut at anyone here. I have to admit I am entertained by people that take pics of their own legs to post on the Internet though.
