Emotional roller coaster: 6 powder droppers in < 3 years!

[secondofangle2]

Just one run of 30 drops with H 1000 is all it takes to remind me why I abandoned this ATV4 piece of shit two years ago

The overage rate is like 30%

Half of those are because the bulk motor is bound up and vibrates at the beginning of its activation

The rest is because I need to fuck around with shims and everything else that I don’t wanna do

And yeah, I calibrated it to start and yeah, I got into the settings and moved everything around to make it more conservative

I am so done with these makeshift inferior fucking powder drops

 

[secondofangle2]

Seriously, I am so sick of this shit Paul could charge Prometheus prices for his IP dropper and if that sucker actually works, I would happily pay it

I am so done

 

[John Glidewell]

The only time I had those issues was with N570. My V4 runs everything else just fine. The vibratory thing you mention sounds like an issue. Mine does not do anything like that. Maybe you got a bad motor/ V4.

 

[Schw15]

Just one run of 30 drops with H 1000 is all it takes to remind me why I abandoned this ATV4 piece of shit two years ago

The overage rate is like 30%

Half of those are because the bulk motor is bound up and vibrates at the beginning of its activation

The rest is because I need to fuck around with shims and everything else that I don’t wanna do

And yeah, I calibrated it to start and yeah, I got into the settings and moved everything around to make it more conservative

I am so done with these makeshift inferior fucking powder drops

Are your belts to tight? Causing it to vibrate since there binding up? I had to adjust mine

 

[JerkyFreak]

There was a problem with friend's unit where the big tube would bind up, usually due to high ambient temperature. An email to Adam describing the problem was enough to get a new tube. Since fitment of the new tube, he had no more problems.

In my group of friends we have five V4 units. Only one had the large tube problem. None of us use shims or special plastic tips. We also do mot use any aftermarket platten or ppatten covers. I have used it with fine ball powder and medium stick powder. To be fair, we don't try for 6 second drops; 12 to 15 seconds is fine for us. And overthrows are minimal. I'm OK with 3 rounds a minute.

 

[Huskydriver]

Waited on ATV4, sold 2 RCBS chargemasters in 2022

Got ATV4 Spring 2022. Wait! I need a shim? It sits precariously atop the stock scale cover which was not made for weight atop it? the motors bind up over 90 degrees? F-this I'm selling and it (at a small loss) and getting this awesome supertrickler that's coming out!

SuperSpiller comes out. I become a beta-tester with a guy named AH. We test HUNDREDS of software iterations. There is no software fix for that stupid vibratory tube and its temperature sensitivity. I sell it, in anticipation of the Ingenuity Precision in FALL 2023.

The IP is delayed for YEARS! AH sells me an ATV2 (with V3 software) to get me by, 6 months AFTER the advertised IP release (summer 2024). What a primitive POS! I struggle along, awaiting the IP. I polish the trickler tube, I change the belts, I superglue loose parts....But it's never quite right, and the IP never comes....It's now early March, 2024....

So I buy ANOTHER V4, which I received today. Easy to set up. good instructions. Still sits atop like a house of cards. But an elegant machine with great software, and easy peasy bluetooth, and an intuitive App!

After all this frustration for almost 3 years, it is like ECSTASY dumping charges. It just WORKS! l'm in HEAVEN!!! (I fed it AR-COMP, easy test, no fat stick powders like H50BMG, RL50, or n570, to kill this buzz!)

But now I've dumped 100 charges, and I have to empty this fucking thing. Wait, what? OK, take off the hopper. Now what? unplug the fucking wire? WHAT? Shake it like a shank-n-bake chicken? What about these windows? These stupid fucking "windows" on the front and the rear? Oh my fuck, now there is powder all over every-fucking-where and I remember why I sold this POS almost 3 years ago!

But, TBH, this is the one I will keep. Maybe even after IP full system comes out...get another scale, run two of them for different powder morphologies....?

Bro I needed this laugh...

So what you're saying is stick with my atv3 w ip till you get done beta testing either the at4v2.0 or the IP finally gets released

 

[Huskydriver]

There was a problem with friend's unit where the big tube would bind up, usually due to high ambient temperature. An email to Adam describing the problem was enough to get a new tube. Since fitment of the new tube, he had no more problems.

In my group of friends we have five V4 units. Only one had the large tube problem. None of us use shims or special plastic tips. We also do mot use any aftermarket platten or ppatten covers. I have used it with fine ball powder and medium stick powder. To be fair, we don't try for 6 second drops; 12 to 15 seconds is fine for us. And overthrows are minimal. I'm OK with 3 rounds a minute.

That's gross charge masters can be tuned to blow 12 seconds out of the water

 

[secondofangle2]

There was a problem with friend's unit where the big tube would bind up, usually due to high ambient temperature. An email to Adam describing the problem was enough to get a new tube. Since fitment of the new tube, he had no more problems.

In my group of friends we have five V4 units. Only one had the large tube problem. None of us use shims or special plastic tips. We also do mot use any aftermarket platten or ppatten covers. I have used it with fine ball powder and medium stick powder. To be fair, we don't try for 6 second drops; 12 to 15 seconds is fine for us. And overthrows are minimal. I'm OK with 3 rounds a minute.

Three years ago in the summer, it was 100° in the garage and it bound up for the exact reason you describe
Today it is 65° and it is impossible to blame it on the temperature

 

[secondofangle2]

And I just pushed my finger on both belts, and the tension is not very high at all

But again, I don’t want something that I have to tune like a 1968 Chevelle muscle car

Remember how those things were? They ran like hell when you got them tuned, but you had to fuck with them all year long.

Not doing it

 

[JerkyFreak]

That's gross charge masters can be tuned to blow 12 seconds out of the water

Have you seen the precision that you get from the Chargemasters tuned as such? The weakness is the slow scale response time. Even a well-tuned slow Chargemaster has an actual ES of 0.3gr. When tuned faster it gets worse. Might not show on the Chargemaster because it hides it very well.

The worst I had with the V4 is -0.02gr to 0.06gr when tuned for faster throws. That is an ES of less than 0.1gr and considerable better than the Chargemaster. If I wasn't so OCD I'd even except that.

I seat the bullet immediately after the throw and put it in the case which takes about 20 seconds. By that time the next charge is waiting.

 

[secondofangle2]

On the bright side, I learned how to empty the thing

It empties the H 1000 like a motherfucker just like it does throwing charges lol

 

[Huskydriver]

Speaking of filling and emptying throwers....

@pfl338 made me these screw on funnels that reverse to refill the jug

#solid

 

[ggmanning]

Have you seen the precision that you get from the Chargemasters tuned as such? The weakness is the slow scale response time. Even a well-tuned slow Chargemaster has an actual ES of 0.3gr. When tuned faster it gets worse. Might not show on the Chargemaster because it hides it very well.

The worst I had with the V4 is -0.02gr to 0.06gr when tuned for faster throws. That is an ES of less than 0.1gr and considerable better than the Chargemaster. If I wasn't so OCD I'd even except that.

I seat the bullet immediately after the throw and put it in the case which takes about 20 seconds. By that time the next charge is waiting.

I used to run 2 tuned and modified Chargemasters for a good blance of speed (for what they are) and accuracy. My set up now is an A&D 300, IP electronics, IP trickler and a cheap Lee perfect powder measure. That set up is faster to use than both the Chargemasters at once and far more accurate at .02 vs .10 gtains. I have seen ES improve as well as my charge/seat time. The Chargemasters were just fine until I moved to shooting 1000yds to a mile.

 

[padom]

Speaking of filling and emptying throwers....

@pfl338 made me these screw on funnels that reverse to refill the jug

#solid


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I need these!

 

[Maurygold]

Just one run of 30 drops with H 1000 is all it takes to remind me why I abandoned this ATV4 piece of shit two years ago

The overage rate is like 30%

Half of those are because the bulk motor is bound up and vibrates at the beginning of its activation

The rest is because I need to fuck around with shims and everything else that I don’t wanna do

And yeah, I calibrated it to start and yeah, I got into the settings and moved everything around to make it more conservative

I am so done with these makeshift inferior fucking powder drops

The v4 is a huge piece of shit that should have never been released to consumers

 

[Kaldor]

Just one run of 30 drops with H 1000 is all it takes to remind me why I abandoned this ATV4 piece of shit two years ago

The overage rate is like 30%

Half of those are because the bulk motor is bound up and vibrates at the beginning of its activation

The rest is because I need to fuck around with shims and everything else that I don’t wanna do

And yeah, I calibrated it to start and yeah, I got into the settings and moved everything around to make it more conservative

I am so done with these makeshift inferior fucking powder drops

You need one 3mm shim under the rear of the scale to run stuff like N570. Anything shorter will run just fine without a shim, and that includes H1000. If you are having that big of an issue with it, have you even talked with Adam? Everytime I have talked with him in the past, he has always gotten back to me quickly and satisfied any questions I had. Once you get the hardware issues sorted, which software settings will not fix, the software is a piece of cake. I have 3 tunes for mine: Ball, Extruded and Lincoln Log. My overage percentage is maybe 1 in 10 at most.

An email takes maybe 10 minutes of your time to write including the time it takes to attach a 15 second video of what its doing - [email protected]

 

[secondofangle2]

This is my second machine. I’ve been through all this before. The point is, I don’t want to piss around with it.

 

[Cascade Hemi]

Seriously, I am so sick of this shit Paul could charge Prometheus prices for his IP dropper and if that sucker actually works, I would happily pay it

I am so done

The IP system is really good. Upgrading your v4 would be worthwhile.

 

[memilanuk]

The only real problem (plenty of small annoyances) I've had with the AT v4 has been the main tube binding up.

I got one of the early pre-order units, and apparently there were some issues with the bearing surfaces - I think it was something with the low-friction tape on the one area - been a while, don't remember exactly. They replaced the part, and it worked fine thereafter. Except every once in a while, it acts up again. First time, I took it apart expecting to find the same thing. Nada. Wiped it down with alcohol and put it back together, no problem for about a year. Had to do it again periodically, but it's not a big deal - other than it invariably rears it's head when I'm loading for a match the next day

 

[secondofangle2]

Yeah I think that’s what I was observing last night

 

[Kaldor]

This is my second machine. I’ve been through all this before. The point is, I don’t want to piss around with it.

Nah, I get it. The reality is all the accurate auto dispensing tricklers are Rube Goldberg machines at best. So its all about who can build the best mousetrap. The reality is the AutoTrickler was the first real commercially available scale/trickler combo that was able to be purchased by the average person. I do want to see better options, as competition will force them to build a better mousetrap, and will ultimately drive prices down.

 

[Maurygold]

Nah, I get it. The reality is all the accurate auto dispensing tricklers are Rube Goldberg machines at best. So its all about who can build the best mousetrap. The reality is the AutoTrickler was the first real commercially available scale/trickler combo that was able to be purchased by the average person. I do want to see better options, as competition will force them to build a better mousetrap, and will ultimately drive prices down.

The v4 was a step back from the v3. The IP is the hands down best thing to touch the market - even with the hurdles to get them to market

 

[Kaldor]

The v4 was a step back from the v3. The IP is the hands down best thing to touch the market - even with the hurdles to get them to market

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I agree. I had a v3 and I miss it. It was fast and stupid simple. I only sold mine because I like to shoot N570 which will not feed reliably in a v3. So v4 was the next step. Mine works well, but Ive spent WAY too much time tuning it.
Time will tell on the IP. It looks like a killer product.

 

[secondofangle2]

When the V3 was out, I was shooting a lot of N570 also which is why I waited for the V4 only to be even more disappointed than I had with the V3
Knowing me, however, I would’ve sold the V3 along the way anyway

It’s really difficult to know in real time whether your situation is going to get better or worse

 

[Cascade Hemi]

 

[Schw15]

There is the printed trickler coming out looks pretty good

 

[Schw15]

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Are you a tester for the whole setup?

 

[Cascade Hemi]

Are you a tester for the whole setup?

No. That's the entire system but V3 thrower. If you have a V3, you can buy it right now.

 

[secondofangle2]

Goddamnit, why doesn’t Adam just start making V3 throwers again?

 

[NiteQwill]

Don't mean to rub it in. But these things are the best thing since sliced bread/sourdough/donuts/whatever.

In all honesty, I expect an even FURTHER delay in the IP system release due to current China tariffs.

Good hunting.

 

[secondofangle2]

#madeinusa

 

[Cascade Hemi]

Goddamnit, why doesn’t Adam just start making V3 throwers again?

I assume the V4 is more profitable. The V3 thrower was made by 419.

 

[Jrb572]

I assume the V4 is more profitable. The V3 thrower was made by 419.

Well damnit then 419 needs to start making them again.

 

[secondofangle2]

FWIW, I dropped 100 charges for 308 with RL 15 tonight and had probably a 95% success rate

So I was happy again

#rollercoaster

 

[zeroz]

Load up some ammo with a charge master, take that fucking thing out and shoot it.

 

[HMRamateur]

With all the different powder dropper options we have now, will there ever be a day we treat them just like everything else and admit that there isn't one that is perfect, but the ones we have are still really good?

 

[spife7980]

With all the different powder dropper options we have now, will there ever be a day we treat them just like everything else and admit that there isn't one that is perfect, but the ones we have are still really good?