Night Vision EOTECH CLIP ON THERMALS ( Full details)

[Ksracer]

What a weird decision. I wonder if that’s to allow calibration? Seems like a waste to use a screen 4x the area you plan to use. I could see wanting to use less demag if it was going to have a stand-alone mode but it doesn’t.

I've got a deposit on one also based on the understanding that they don't require a manual calibration like my SY-C does, although I'd really like to know how it works if they don't. I'm not sure if that question ever got cleared up either.
I think Preston and Dan are planning some more testing and comparisons between models, so hopefully that produces some clear answers.

 

[brodband8]

It's possible they just didn't want to have to completely redesign it since the other ones in the lineup utilize the full 1280 displays due to having a standalone mode. Was just easier to eliminate that mode via software on the xELR and leave the screen be.

 

[Conqueror]

None of the other models is advertised as having a 1280 screen.

 

[brodband8]

I might have been mistaken there. A few pages back when Dan said that it uses a 1280 screen for standalone, but 640 for clip-on, then later said that it lacked the standalone mode maybe I just assumed the others also were 1280. I'm just going to sit back and see what comes out about them.

 

[DownRangeThermal]

Hey sorry been away. I should have a new spec sheet available soon to post. Eotech wanted me to use a new one they are creating.
The way the 1280 screen was explained to me is that it allowed smaller optics to be used on the backend because of the smaller pixel pitch of that display. So while they are building with a 1280 display they are utilizing 640 of it which is obviously 1 to 1 like a utc.

Also, they are estimating August-ish timeframe on first deliveries. Ukraine mess has jacked up some deliveries.

 

[DownRangeThermal]

A few LR's arrived. Sold. Hoping (e)XLR is not too far behind....edit to add. Disregard the yellow warning they put in box. That is obviously an I2 nv carryover.

 

[Bri0242]

It sure would be nice to see some pics or video of the LR

 

[jstokes1]

I'll be getting a unit to test on, will post a full review with info and video.

 

[Bravo6niner]

All I can say is wow!! Probably could tweak the settings a bit more but overall awesome image and nice button/menu layout

ClipIR-LR
3-18 mk5

 

[WhereNow&How]

All I can say is wow!! Probably could tweak the settings a bit more but overall awesome image and nice button/menu layout

ClipIR-LR
3-18 mk5

Fantastic looking image. I think this unit is going to be a winner.

 

[Bravo6niner]

Couple more. No regrets here!!! Thanks for the fast shipping @DownRangeThermal

 

[Evolution 9]

Couple more. No regrets here!!! Thanks for the fast shipping @DownRangeThermal

THIS ^^^ is how to post thermal pictures!!!

Thermal pics without range to objects and day scope magnification information are very close to useless to potential buyers (most clipons look similar at close enough range with low enough magnification). Knowing magnification settings and range lets us compare your photos with past experience or other photos where information was provided.

Thank you!

We all know that pictures aren’t a great representation of the user’s experience, but they sure help to get an idea.

 

[4O6shootist]

Goddam this threads gonna cost me dearly! These things are legit.

 

[Bravo6niner]

Shot the group with the clip-ir last night
Shot the no clip-ir group this morning
Gusting to 30mph both times

Clip-ir LR
224valkyrie
60vmax
Standing tripod

Need to adjust zero looks like, swapped suppressors and never got around to double checking zero after

 

[Bri0242]

Couple more. No regrets here!!! Thanks for the fast shipping @DownRangeThermal

Would you say that 4-6x is the sweet spot under 600 yards? Thanks for the pics This has confirmed my decision...

 

[Bravo6niner]

Ya 4-6 is a good spot for it. 4-6 to scan and 8-10 to shoot for more precise shot placement.

 

[Bravo6niner]

These clip-ir are tall though. I need to get a spacer ordered for my badger c1 diving board to get the raptor high enough or mount the raptar to the side

 

[Burdy]

Still waiting on my mid range thermal unit, will advise when I get it. I did however get in the new EOTECH mid range clip Clip on NV and I am very pleased with my initial impressions. I am getting a nice full view at just 1.5x through the 1-10. Its rated at 1-12x so I will get it out soon on some higher mag optics and see how versatile it can be. Liking the length savings over my previous 2124LR.

 

[cantankerous]

Wigwamitus and I tested out the LR at his place yesterday. You can find our thoughts on it in the Night Ops thread.

I'm impressed. Can't wait for the xELR!

 

[Ksracer]

Shot the group with the clip-ir last night
Shot the no clip-ir group this morning
Gusting to 30mph both times

Clip-ir LR
224valkyrie
60vmax
Standing tripod

Need to adjust zero looks like, swapped suppressors and never got around to double checking zero after

That's not a terrible POI shift for just slapping it on, but is there a way to "zero" the Clip IR to reduce it?

 

[Bravo6niner]

Looks like you can zero it…

 

[CoryT]

That note is saying it does not need to be zeroed, in other words, they consider it factory boresighted

 

[Evolution 9]

While it may be possible to make adjustments, I don’t think that’s what that part of the manual is saying. It’s specifically saying adjustment isn’t necessary if the day scope is sighted in, and if you’re sighting in a day scope at night through thermal (who does that?) then simply adjust your day scope in accordance with the day scope’s manual.

 

[Ksracer]

While it may be possible to make adjustments, I don’t think that’s what that part of the manual is saying. It’s specifically saying adjustment isn’t necessary if the day scope is sighted in, and if you’re sighting in a day scope at night through thermal (who does that?) then simply adjust your day scope in accordance with the day scope’s manual.

That's the way I read it also. It certainly looks like some kind of adjustment is necessary though because those groups should stack on top of each other, regardless of how far the day scope zero is off.

@Bravo6niner nice groups from standing tripod btw.

 

[WhereNow&How]

While it may be possible to make adjustments, I don’t think that’s what that part of the manual is saying. It’s specifically saying adjustment isn’t necessary if the day scope is sighted in, and if you’re sighting in a day scope at night through thermal (who does that?) then simply adjust your day scope in accordance with the day scope’s manual.

So "while it may be possible to make adjustments" would only be able to be user doable if the unit has the ability to adjust the screen in the X and Y unless I am missing something.

So the $64 question is. Does the unit have a menu feature that allows you to adjust the display screen in the X and Y. ?

Wonder if someone can answer that.

 

[Bravo6niner]

Day optic was rezero’d this afternoon then fired test this evening.
100yds
224v
Standing tripod
Powered on, shoot, power off, remove
clip-ir, repeat procedure two more times. Between shots 2 and 3 I removed battery pack after power off.
Still wind AF tonite

Hot hand
3.5” w
2” t

 

[Ksracer]

Day optic was rezero’d this afternoon then fired test this evening.
100yds
224v
Standing tripod
Powered on, shoot, power off, remove
clip-ir, repeat procedure two more times. Between shots 2 and 3 I removed battery pack after power off.
Still wind AF tonite

Hot hand
3.5” w
2” t

Nice group. The first time it went right, now it went about 1.25" left. There's a lot of other variables in play with a tripod and high winds, so hopefully those are what's causing the shifts.
I really want to get one of these on my test rig to remove the variables and see what makes them work!

 

[Bravo6niner]

Found a few deer tonite

 

[Bravo6niner]

Comparison of AGM TC50 640 and the clip-ir LR

 

[Bravo6niner]

Lost a little image/video quality but still a decent representation. On the original video on my phone you can really see the detail of the corn leaves blowing in the wind.

 

[Evolution 9]

So "while it may be possible to make adjustments" would only be able to be user doable if the unit has the ability to adjust the screen in the X and Y unless I am missing something.

So the $64 question is. Does the unit have a menu feature that allows you to adjust the display screen in the X and Y. ?

Wonder if someone can answer that.

I currently don’t believe it’s possible (or necessary). My statement that it “may” be possible wasn’t intended to convey that I think it is, rather, that I think it’s not, but realize I’m not 100% sure yet.

The statement in the manual seems pretty final that no adjustment is needed, and these have proven to be collimated in the military (PVS30) sense, both in this thread and Wigwamitus’s thread, so I’ll be surprised if screen movement is an option.

IF it was possible, I can imagine other methods to accomplish it, but what my brain can imagine is a rabbit hole none of us want

 

[WhereNow&How]

Comparison of AGM TC50 640 and the clip-ir LR

Surprisingly, the AGM TC50 appears to be holding its own per the picture.

 

[Bravo6niner]

Surprisingly, the AGM TC50 appears to be holding its own per the picture.

It doesn’t do to bad to about 800yds or so. After that PIDing objects gets harder. Was looking at an old farm stead about a mile away last night and the Clip-ir LR easily pulled away by a large margin. Roughly 800-900 and in the AGM does a decent job.

 

[WhereNow&How]

800 yards is pretty far at night. Hecque, that's a long way in day time.

 

[WhereNow&How]

@Bravo6niner was that the 384 or 640 version of the AGM TC 50.

 

[Bravo6niner]

@WhereNow&How 640 version of the tc50. My brother has my old 320 tc50 and we both agreed the 320 did better at distance than the 640. Closer in the 640 had a better image. The 320 has an aluminum housing where as the 640 is plastic. I think eventually I’ll sell the 640 but I’m guessing with the Steiner c35 hitting the market it might be a tough sell.

 

[WhereNow&How]

Yep, funny how the 320's can outperform 640's at distance, albeit it comes with a narrower FOV.

All about pixel density per sq. inch.

 

[Bravo6niner]

prone
22gt
AI with vision chassis
ZCO 420
100yds
20x for day scope group
10x for clip on group
Still windy and hot, going to make wheat harvest early at this rate

 

[4O6shootist]

prone
22gt
AI with vision chassis
ZCO 420
100yds
20x for day scope group
10x for clip on group
Still windy and hot, going to make wheat harvest early at this rate

If I'm seeing this correctly, the thermal is giving you 2" of vertical poi shift down, maybe 1/4 to 1/2" Right shift?

 

[Bravo6niner]

If I'm seeing this correctly, the thermal is giving you 2" of vertical poi shift down, maybe 1/4 to 1/2" Right shift?

Ya between two guns I’m seeing a 1.5-2” low impact roughly

 

[Evolution 9]

Ya between two guns I’m seeing a 1.5-2” low impact roughly

I’d be verifying that with a couple more tests and then returning it for another.

 

[Bravo6niner]

I’d be verifying that with a couple more tests and then returning it for another.

Ya I’ll mess with it a bit more. Probably should order one of those fancy thermal targets for more testing. I guess though if it’s a repeatable .5 mil ~ low on multiple guns I can deal with. My old tc50-320 my brother has now was a consistent .4 mil low. Just clamp it on the gun, dial up .4, and go to work

 

[TheHebrewHammer]

But for over $10k, 2 MOA isn't really acceptable when the industry standard is 1 moa. I think more testing is needed, and hopefully it's just a bad unit. If I got my ELR and it was 2-3 MOA off consistently, I would assume it was broken and send it back.

 

[Ksracer]

I’d be verifying that with a couple more tests and then returning it for another.

I'm impressed and disappointed at the same time.

Impressed it's that close by just slapping it on.

Disappointed that there doesn't seem to be a way to correct it. 1.5" low is no where near close enough for "long range" shooting without further adjustments.

Ya I’ll mess with it a bit more. Probably should order one of those fancy thermal targets for more testing. I guess though if it’s a repeatable .5 mil ~ low on multiple guns I can deal with. My old tc50-320 my brother has now was a consistent .4 mil low. Just clamp it on the gun, dial up .4, and go to work

As long as it's consistent and repeatable, running an offset in the day scope is no big deal for me either. If it moves around, that's another story. But for $15k, it shouldn't be doing either.

 

[jwramp]

This 2moa offset was with the setup that had the day scope up on a riser, right? Can’t imagine that helps the situation having the optical axis being so far off from each other.

EDIT: maybe I’m mixing you and wig up, who posted this on the other thread

 

[Bravo6niner]

As I get more time I’ll test it on a few more guns shooting prone and report back. I’ll check at a 100 and at distance

 

[WhereNow&How]

This 2moa offset was with the setup that had the day scope up on a riser, right? Can’t imagine that helps the situation having the optical axis being so far off from each other.

EDIT: maybe I’m mixing you and wig up, who posted this on the other thread
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That was Wig.

 

[SkyScrapin]

I tested the ClipIR yesterday at dusk on steel plates that are separated every 100yards. Fire round from rifle - mount clip-on and fire - same impact. Did this several times with great success. This was through a Steiner LPVO.

Also fired a round on 2x digital. It was low by about an IPSC plate at 550 or 650 yards. This is to be expected.

We also took it out in the heat of the day with 25mph wind gusts, 104F and terrible mirage. Humidity was most likely very low. We found the 1.5 mile steel plate as seen in the pics. Optic is a Hensoldt 3.5-26.

 

[Bravo6niner]

Went out and shot the 224v gas gun again and then tried the mk12 mod1. Looking like a pretty consistent 1.5-2” low with the clipir-lr on the three guns I’ve checked it on.

Green dot is 2”

The image on this thing keeps impressing me. When I started in the thermal game I bought a xp38 and shortly after my buddy bought a used reap 35mm. Didn’t take me long to realize I needed a reap so I upgraded to one. Then I went to a reap 60 for a short while. I loved the reaps images but wanted a thermal system that allowed for more precise long range shots and a clip on seemed the way to go. Bought an agm tc50 320 and ran that for two years. It checked all the boxes as far as better long range accuracy and the ability to go hog hunting with one gun and shoot day or night. Only thing the agm left me wanting was the image quality the reaps offered. Tc50 640 was a slight upgrade but this clipir-LR truly gets me where I wanna be for my needs. The POI shift is a bit more than I expected but if it holds a consistent 1.5”~ low across the guns I’ll use it on I can easily work with that. The button layout is nice on this unit and it has a very nice pic rail clamp.

 

[Conqueror]

That’s pretty impressive 20x image quality considering it’s not the xELR.