still stings just reading this thread... literally opened the mk1.5 box 2 days ago. idk if its a huge deal tho - send me an elfin remote eotech
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I wrote a letter to Buck Fiden just the other day on this issue, but he is too far gone to understand it.Glad to see we are still seeing more coming to the market. Now if we could pull this economy out of the dumpster I could buy more stuff.
Well you just have to put it into real perspective. It is a badass unit you got, that will perform superbly,still stings just reading this thread...
I was putting away cash at a nice rate until everything went expensive! Now I'm bleeding money like a 19D PVT that thinks the stripper loves him!!I wrote a letter to Buck Fiden just the other day on this issue, but he is too far gone to understand it.
And the puppeteers just keep pulling the strings.
She does love him.that thinks the stripper loves him!!
19D..... you need to specify male stripperI was putting away cash at a nice rate until everything went expensive! Now I'm bleeding money like a 19D PVT that thinks the stripper loves him!!
My bad!19D..... you need to specify male stripper
That is a pretty salty discount on a 16.5k price and seems very fair. From a current MK1 owner, ThankYou.There will be a 15% discount available to original purchasers of MK1.
Any potential updates for the MK1 along it's lifetime?No IBEAM "TRACIR" available yet in MK2 but I am told that there may (emphasize MAY) be a firmware update at some point to receive solutions via Bluetooth from peripherals. Was told this update would be user installed if it happened.
But it does so at the sacrifice of FOV. It's an issue trying to pick up animals inside of 100yds.If my memory serves me right (been a while since I did the calculation) the X-ELR is the top of the food chain on FPA pixel sampling density.
Even beats that new $18,000 IRay 1280 unit.
Since we are hitting mk2 at the beginning then I think it will be a little better. Biggest issue will be supply. Often the time from order to delivery is the biggest factor and that is a moving target with wars etc.That is a pretty salty discount on a 16.5k price and seems very fair. From a current MK1 owner, ThankYou.
How long will that be offered and what does future availability of the MK2 look like?
Any potential updates for the MK1 along it's lifetime?
I've been extremely happy with my MK1 and it's capabilities currently exceed mine and my rifles. The military testing it went through was probably the #1 reason I was confident in getting one.
Other than the onboard recording, I'm really not seeing what the new model does for me that my current one doesn't and I'm pretty hesitant to sell something that has treated me so well.
But it does so at the sacrifice of FOV. It's an issue trying to pick up animals inside of 100yds.
It may take an HD front sensor with an increased FOV and the same FPA pixel density to pry the MK1 out of my hands.
Is there anyway we can purchase the 1.35” mount?The sample I have is 1.35. The ones coming in are 1.50
Is there anyway we can purchase the 1.35” mount?
See image above for same comment to the UTC engineersUTC is same 1.35” height. So if your scope is setup for that, having that option for the ELRv2 might be welcome for 5% of owners.
Ultimately, the modest offset shouldn’t affect any collimated clipon worth its salt.
Optics and sensor appear to be similar or identical, so FOV and resolution should be very similar.1.5 and 2x pixel density is the same? in sensor and display?
thanks. somehow i got the idea that the 1.5 had 1280 but only used 640 and that the 2.0 used the full 1280, and was thus twice as good lol but maybe i just misunderstood the comments about it not using the full display.Optics and sensor appear to be similar or identical, so FOV and resolution should be very similar.
That’s just the display. From what has been said thusfar, the primary difference will be that 2.0 can be used as a dedicated thermal and can use the entire 1280 display for that purpose, where 1.5 has a 1280 display too, but only uses 640 demag for clipon use only.thanks. somehow i got the idea that the 1.5 had 1280 but only used 640 and that the 2.0 used the full 1280, and was thus twice as good lol but maybe i just misunderstood the comments about it not using the full display.
AFAIK, yes.explain it to me like i voted for biden... does the 2.0 also use only 640 demag for clip on? and thus has same pixel density?
thanks
This is correct. The mk2 has a stand alone mode where the 1.5 did not. The stand alone mode utilizes the entire 1280 display at 2x optical where clip on mode utilizes half of the display ( 640 pixels) thus changing the optical mag to 1x unity in clip on mode (same fov but half of the 2x full display) . The 1.5 had a 1280 display in it but never utilized more than the center 640. They used that display for getting the backend optics smaller on the 1.5That’s just the display. From what has been said thusfar, the primary difference will be that 2.0 can be used as a dedicated thermal and can use the entire 1280 display for that purpose, where 1.5 has a 1280 display too, but only uses 640 demag for clipon use only.
- The knob on the back right is a push and turn button similar to button on side of a Thermion. It is a power button but also a scrolling button for menus etc. You can absolutely use it without remote. The remote is a wired/tethered remote but will have full menu functions available to it etc. It is not included and I'm not sure on price yet.Hey guys, a couple quick questions for the experts: @DownRangeThermal
-Am I understanding correctly that the only real direct adjustments will be made using the focus knob?
-All the internal adjustments (being that there aren’t any external buttons that I can see) will be made using the Bluetooth remote?
-Is the remote an additional purchase or does it come with the unit? If it is an additional purchase (understanding obviously most of us will buy it) and someone chooses not to buy one how will they control the unit?
-Is the knob pictured on the right/opposite the focus knob the power button?
Thanks all, looking forward to getting mine!
Awesome, thanks for the insight!- The knob on the back right is a push and turn button similar to button on side of a Thermion. It is a power button but also a scrolling button for menus etc. You can absolutely use it without remote. The remote is a wired/tethered remote but will have full menu functions available to it etc. It is not included and I'm not sure on price yet.
If it sits in the sunlight, you’re going to see it. If it’s in shadow much the day, the steel won’t be hot enough to show up.You were able to spot steel at distance in warm muggy conditions? That's nuts. I've been divesting my thermal gear simply because I shoot steel almost exclusively and I struggle to spot the targets compared to I^2. This has me intrigued.
Hey guys, if you’re interested here’s some initial footage and results with the whatever name they’re choosing this week?!? (XLR, XELR) ELR MK 2
I’ll be working on a full review video later this month:
It was very tight. As a matter fact, I had to take the front cap completely off of the Eotech to get it to work. Haha! I’ve subsequently put a higher diving board on, and it seems to work fine. No talking to each other yet. Eo tech/Theon hasn’t developed anything with TraceIr so not sure that’s going to ever happen?!?Was surprised you were able to get ranges out of the Wilcox unit mounted on top - looked super snug against the objective of the big clip-on. Nice combo for sure - get them talking to each other yet?
No but I did get to play with the Raptor.....I like the sleek footprint of the MRFHow are you liking the MRF? I have one on order. Did you have a Raptar before?
@taliv why are you comparing the 1.5 to the 2.0? The hot new toy is supposed to be the 2.0 now.@Nohuddlefirearms interesting video. i noticed you focused on switching between whot/bhot but didn't cycle through the modes (basic, image sharpening, adaptive, wide range) which I've found make a ton of difference. Does the 2.0 not have the same modes as the 1.5? the mode you used in the video appears to be basic in the v1.5 unit.
I also notice you didn't change the region of interest, which i think would have helped your video. in the v1.5 you can choose the region that goes across the bottom of the box and that will keep the low-temp sky from screwing up the contrast in your panoramic scenes like when you were looking at the horses.
maybe it's just me, but I don't see a lot of utility in going above 12x with the v1.5. yeah, it's still usable, but it's pixelated to me and you just lose fov. I can't tell if the 2.0 is less pixelated at 20-25x but maybe that's a huge improvement over the v1.5.
@USNIGHTGUNNER hope they sort that out for you. i've found the menus to be less than intuitive and several discrepancies with the manual that i assumed were due to different versions of firmware and then the 1.5 vs 2.0 but if you're saying there's still not a 2.0 manual... dang. it's taking me a lot of fiddling to figure out some items that just are super counter-intuitive. for example, if you want to go change your battery type from alk to lithium to nimh rechargeable, you have to do it in the "status" menu. mine shipped with lithium batteries but set to alkaline, and i took the lithium batteries almost to zero before i figured out how to change it. and some minor irritations like they also use the word "mode" to reference at least THREE different types of configuration settings. (there are 4 "image enhancement" modes, then there is a "mode" in the menu, which refers to clip on or stand alone but as far as i can tell actually changes the size of the menu for optics' varying FOV, then in the reticle submenu there's another "mode"). and i have no friggin clue how to do the compass calibration the manual describes. the menu is super unhelpful in that regard. if anyone knows, i'd appreciate a clue there
@Capitol5868 i'm maybe not quite as giddy as nohuddle but i think the v1.5 is outstanding. i took video yesterday of cows laying down at 2908 yards on 12x power and i can make out their head moving. i posted getting hits on a 4"x2" heated target at 415 yards several days ago. i mean, there's a lot of room for improvement, but i don't think it's disappointing at all.
Hey @taliv, thanks for the comments. As far as showing the image enhancement modes, there was so much stuff to cover I had to pick and choose so the video wasn't an hour long. I run mine on sharp and yes the 2.0 does have the 4 image enhancement modes the 1.5 has.@Nohuddlefirearms interesting video. i noticed you focused on switching between whot/bhot but didn't cycle through the modes (basic, image sharpening, adaptive, wide range) which I've found make a ton of difference. Does the 2.0 not have the same modes as the 1.5? the mode you used in the video appears to be basic in the v1.5 unit.
I also notice you didn't change the region of interest, which i think would have helped your video. in the v1.5 you can choose the region that goes across the bottom of the box and that will keep the low-temp sky from screwing up the contrast in your panoramic scenes like when you were looking at the horses.
maybe it's just me, but I don't see a lot of utility in going above 12x with the v1.5. yeah, it's still usable, but it's pixelated to me and you just lose fov. I can't tell if the 2.0 is less pixelated at 20-25x but maybe that's a huge improvement over the v1.5.
@USNIGHTGUNNER hope they sort that out for you. i've found the menus to be less than intuitive and several discrepancies with the manual that i assumed were due to different versions of firmware and then the 1.5 vs 2.0 but if you're saying there's still not a 2.0 manual... dang. it's taking me a lot of fiddling to figure out some items that just are super counter-intuitive. for example, if you want to go change your battery type from alk to lithium to nimh rechargeable, you have to do it in the "status" menu. mine shipped with lithium batteries but set to alkaline, and i took the lithium batteries almost to zero before i figured out how to change it. and some minor irritations like they also use the word "mode" to reference at least THREE different types of configuration settings. (there are 4 "image enhancement" modes, then there is a "mode" in the menu, which refers to clip on or stand alone but as far as i can tell actually changes the size of the menu for optics' varying FOV, then in the reticle submenu there's another "mode"). and i have no friggin clue how to do the compass calibration the manual describes. the menu is super unhelpful in that regard. if anyone knows, i'd appreciate a clue there
@Capitol5868 i'm maybe not quite as giddy as nohuddle but i think the v1.5 is outstanding. i took video yesterday of cows laying down at 2908 yards on 12x power and i can make out their head moving. i posted getting hits on a 4"x2" heated target at 415 yards several days ago. i mean, there's a lot of room for improvement, but i don't think it's disappointing at all.