Fertilizer shortage
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Unfortunately yes. Our source is saying to expect 4x the price of last year. That with soaring fuel costs, machinery shortages, steel costs, chemical shortages (almost all sourced from china) labor shortages/costs, overtime exemption being stripped from Ag, and a bunch of other shit that is too long to type. It's almost like they want American farms to fail and then we will all be dependent on Bill Gates and foreign countries to feed us...
Been seeing this coming for several months. Picked up fertilizer for my garden well in advance. When I mentioned this at the farm supply store they gave me that "deer in headlight's" look......... Everything food growing related is getting in short supply..... Tractors, diesel fuel, seeds, land, processing plants....... the list is long.
Don't we have enough bs in Washington to make up the difference??
my retired brother has been helping a farmer harvest and he says some sizes of combine tires are not available anywhere in the US. I think some of his neighbors figured just buy the whole combine as 2 burned down in the same afternoon. Both went to town and purchased new combines.
Monsanto is waiting to buy all the small farms for pennies on the dollar.
We buy our ferts and Chen's from a company down here called Southern Ah.
No fertilizer shortage here
No fertilizer shortage here
Fertilizer shortage and Bill Gates is buying up massive farm acreage in the USA. How freaking coincidental.
Probably being used for jab production. Since the main ingredient is bullshit, the shortage makes perfect sense.
Maine issues ‘do not eat’ advisory for deer harvested near PFAS-contaminated fields in Fairfield area
The state says deer taken in the Fairfield area have high levels of PFAS, the 'forever chemicals' that pose potential health risks.
www.pressherald.com
Vegans and commies probably make great fertilizer...
The Indians use to plant each kernel of corn over a fish...
Adapt the concept for yourselves... Them Injuns were pretty smart, you know....
Sirhr
The Indians use to plant each kernel of corn over a fish...
Adapt the concept for yourselves... Them Injuns were pretty smart, you know....
Sirhr
Yes. They are threatening us with an unavailablity of nitrogen. All fertilizer elements are important, but N is the most important for grain production. A year ago Nh3 fertilizer was $550/ton here. Today it is $1450/ton. And that is for fall applied only, you can't lock in a price for spring delivery. The rumor in the industry is that there may only be 80 percent of the nitrogen available next spring as compared to 2021, at any price. The repercussions of that would be huge.
Yes even the fertilizer I booked in June was 80% higher than what I put on this spring/fall 2020... and it's up significantly since then. Fortunately we had a nice fall and have about 75% of the NPK for next year in the ground already.
According to the same agencies, the meat itself is a carcinogen. And Maine seems to have a hardon for PFAS. I'd still eat it if I had already harvested, or hunt another area if I hadn't and it was convenient.View attachment 7747164
Maine issues ‘do not eat’ advisory for deer harvested near PFAS-contaminated fields in Fairfield area
The state says deer taken in the Fairfield area have high levels of PFAS, the 'forever chemicals' that pose potential health risks.
And now I'm wondering if there are even enough fish in US waters to put one under each corn stalk in the country.
Monsanto was purchased by Bayer some years ago. Nitrogen is going to be expensive but it will be available. Profit margins are going to be better than ever for fertilizer companies and I guarantee they want to sell it at these high prices. When people in the USA start starving to death then the world will stop shitting on the American farmer.
If push comes to shove... it's not going to be for the country. It's going to be for your family and farm hands.
Feeding the world will come to a sudden, tragic and very ugly end if they keep pushing US food shortages. Because you can be damn sure that shiploads of wheat won't get dropped on the heads of natives in Burkino Faso or Lesotho. Or China.
If 'they' want to use the grain weapon, there will be 3-4 billion short-term deaths worldwide. Very few of them in middle America.
Sirhr
Just paid $600/ton for 32-0-0 to topdress wheat yesterday, about 2.5 times what I paid last year IIRC. That works out to about $3.50/gallon I’m spraying from a 90’ boom. Think about that next time ya fill up at the pump.
But if the fertilizer is not available (or too expensive...) the yields drop. You go back to crop rotation. Natural fertilizers... or planting clover or nitrogen-returning crops for one, two, three? season?
Which is probably going to be enough to feed America. Or at least rural America. But not the world.
We have 7 billion people on this planet because of the productivity of American farmland -- aka the ingenuity and the resourcefulness of the American farmer. Cut that short or price it out of reach and the world dies long before they can 'migrate' across our borders.
The world that we feed... hates us for it. Because you can forgive your oppressor, not your savior.
So if the goal of the elites is to create genocide, then you don't need viruses. Or gas chambers. Or boxcars. You just need to cut the American Farmer off at the knees. And the whole global nutrition tree collapses. In ONE season. 40 days later... the death count from starvation and disease is in the 9-figure range.
Let that sink in. No "Operation Restore Hope" No "Vittles drop." No Marines with sacks of wheat. Just death. In Africa and Asia and Southwest Asia at an epic level. Because there will be no food to give and it takes a minimum of a couple of years to kickstart the process again. And damn sure Kansas won't be letting truckloads of wheat go to Nigeria (or Los Angeles) when their neighbors need bread.
America can feed itself with one hand tied behind its back. We consume a fraction of the food we produce. Cut that off and we don't suffer. But billions die in weeks. TV worth watching, I suppose.
Sirhr
I agree with all of that.
But if you want nutrients for your social circle, just start saving your coffee grounds and egg shells for the spring. High fertilizer prices are only a problem for large scale production, not at the small group level. How to feed the country scale is the problem. Everyone who doesn't already and doesn't want to pay high prices, better plant some food in the spring.
Same (or worse) over in the UK.
www.bbc.com
One of my favorite YT channels (Harry's Farm) covered this recently.
Crop farmers' fears as fertiliser costs 'soar'
NFU Scotland said the price rise is linked a spike in gas prices which closed two UK fertiliser factories.
www.bbc.com
One of my favorite YT channels (Harry's Farm) covered this recently.
Not only fertilizers but round up also. We’ll see how round ready seed does without round up.
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Maine issues ‘do not eat’ advisory for deer harvested near PFAS-contaminated fields in Fairfield area
The state says deer taken in the Fairfield area have high levels of PFAS, the 'forever chemicals' that pose potential health risks.
Calm down. Chances are you are drinking it in your water every day. Before I retired this was big news. "Emerging pollutants". The water sources are full of the shit. The primary source is fire retardants. The chemicals they use in fighting fires is principle source. Three rivers in NC are rife with it.
Eat the deer. Its not gonna add that much to what you already ingest.
Its more fear tactic.
All that corn grown for ethanol fuel production…soon enough, good ol’ fossil fuel will be cheaper by comparison.
I could only find about 60 percent of what I needed for my alfalfa field this fall. Im in N Ky, I called dealers in Indiana and Ohio also with no luck. Couldn’t even find 10-10-10.
Farmers earn better returns in a given year or three, all their input costs go up
It’s not that easy. There is no N in coffee grounds or eggs shells. And it usually takes 5 years to get a good garden plot going. But you can save your poop or got get some cow crap and your yard clippings and turn that over all next year and then plant into that in a year. But its too late now unless you have some good fertilizer sources.
I contracted 32 last year for about 340 a ton, now it's doubled. I also got a few 250 gal totes of Roundup at 15.00 a gal, now I my local distributors aren't even giving me a price under 50.00 a gallon unless they physically have it in hand.
If 50% of farmers went to organic (which takes years to certify) and did away with round up, the price of commodities and meats would fold over 10 times.
Next few years are going to be interesting when diesel hits 6.00, and there's either food shortages or people can't afford it, and everyone here is bitching about primer prices. LMFAO.
If 50% of farmers went to organic (which takes years to certify) and did away with round up, the price of commodities and meats would fold over 10 times.
Next few years are going to be interesting when diesel hits 6.00, and there's either food shortages or people can't afford it, and everyone here is bitching about primer prices. LMFAO.
Don't have to be certified, just need it to grow.
It's not so much the price, but the availability. Can't shot what you can't buy.
Organic farming: feeding Dozens on land that formerly fed thousands…
Sirhr
Sirhr
No one understands the complexity or magnitude of food production.
You would need 30k fish per acre of corn
Ok , you really need to stop sniffing glue. Your brain is dribbling out of your nose, panic sally…..I posted a story from back home with absolutely no comment whatsoever. Your brain evidently read something into that. No this sky is not falling, chuckles……
I'm just telling you its more psyop.
Every once in a great while, something comes along that I am extremely qualified to speak upon.
Didn't mean any offense. Just letting you know its bullshit.....technically.
They really have no idea what PFAS does or doesn't do. They know it collects and accumulates in fatty cells.
All that corn used for ethanol production has a by-product, DG’s (distiller grains) that goes for cattle feed.
Just a little friendly FYI
280 pounds of grains a year feed a family of 4 with recommended 3 Oz per person per day (most Americans over-eat grains at 6ozs).
A family of four can live off the bread produced by one acre of wheat… for two years.
But let’s say we have to revert to pre-1945 methods… and it takes an acre per family per year. Half the yield.
Add in vegetables and some livestock and a farm does not have to be profitable to be a sustainable food source. For family/village groups.
Feeding cities… or other continents… no way. Not without agri -business and agri-science.
But middle America starving? I don’t see it. Grossly altered lifestyles? Dawn til dusk to live with field work. For some. No Disney vacations or flat screen TV’s? Most likely gone.
Then again how much do people pay to escape “civilization” for two weeks a year? Or at their country cottage because NYC is a hell hole… and if you have any money you go to the country every weekend?
Besides, lots of Ivy League dance interpretation majors will be available as farm hands for the cost of gruel and a shotgun shack. Let them do the weeding and hoeing.
Sirhr
A family of four can live off the bread produced by one acre of wheat… for two years.
But let’s say we have to revert to pre-1945 methods… and it takes an acre per family per year. Half the yield.
Add in vegetables and some livestock and a farm does not have to be profitable to be a sustainable food source. For family/village groups.
Feeding cities… or other continents… no way. Not without agri -business and agri-science.
But middle America starving? I don’t see it. Grossly altered lifestyles? Dawn til dusk to live with field work. For some. No Disney vacations or flat screen TV’s? Most likely gone.
Then again how much do people pay to escape “civilization” for two weeks a year? Or at their country cottage because NYC is a hell hole… and if you have any money you go to the country every weekend?
Besides, lots of Ivy League dance interpretation majors will be available as farm hands for the cost of gruel and a shotgun shack. Let them do the weeding and hoeing.
Sirhr
We have been told to expect Nitrogen prices to be through the roof next year. Like Sirhr says....rural America can feed itself no problem. Chicken and cow crap will produce plenty for local needs.
plenty of crap in Washington dc that would make em good fertilizer , god knows they ain't good for anything else .
China and Russia have both limited or completely shut down fert exports to the US as well. The US is a net importer of fert. Depending how much cold weather we get in the US this winter will affect fert prices as well including availability.
