F T/R Competition First shoot yesterday have a couple of questions

[Shootnjunky]

My buddy and I went and shot our first 600yd match and found out we were dq'd before we even shot due to our muzzle breaks and my can.

Even with that I shot a 549 8x for our three rounds. Went 170/190/189.

so to my question

are flash suppressors allowed? I still want to be able to mount my can without taking on and off my mount.

otherwise I will just get a thread protector and shoot it that way.

one more question will my groups suffer from taking off the can?

 

[XTR]

Amazes me how many people show up to a match and have never read the rules. http://competitions.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/HPR/hpr-book.pdf would be a good place to start.

3.16.1 talks about brakes and suppressors. As far as I know the only way you can run a muzzle device other than a bloop tube is in Service rifle then you can use the A2 style flash suppressor on an AR or the flash suppressor on an M1A. I would imagine to some extent it would be up to your match director. He's going to have to answer questions complaints that you are running a brake. I've never seen anyone not shooting service rifle use one. (I'm not wasting ounces on something that doesn't increase MV, and trust me, after 32 inches of bore there is no "flash" left.

Any how, who are hiding from, the target isn't going anywhere and doesn't shoot back.

 

[223ai]

Rules are rules, no getting around it. I still think it's silly that suppressors aren't allowed, assuming the shooter has the proper tax stamps.

 

[XTR]

Rules are rules, no getting around it. I still think it's silly that suppressors aren't allowed, assuming the shooter has the proper tax stamps.

I don't know if suppressors help or hurt accuracy, but think about it this way. The NRA competitive shooting disciplines all have established records. For the sake of argument say that cans improve accuracy, but you are shooting live in a state that doesn't allow them, then every shooter in the US that is allowed to run them has an advantage over you when it comes to records. You couldn't own one, so traveling to another state to shoot with one would be disallowed. It sounds trivial until you are the guy who misses out on a national record by an X to someone who is allowed to run something that you are not. And you may not give a hoot one way or the other about records, but many if not most competitive shooters do. I've never seen someone shoot a record that didn't know it as soon as he did it, implying that he knew what the previous record was before he broke it. I've been there when at least three were tied or broken and something else I learned, it is up to you to notify the NRA that you set it. Something else I learned this month from someone who has broken one.


Personally I have no problem with cans, they put you at a disadvantage at 1000 yards on an F-TR rig because they take weight and don't increase MV. I'll get more MV and drop less points to wind, but understanding the system you should be able to see the reasoning.

 

[223ai]

I don't know if suppressors help or hurt accuracy, but think about it this way. The NRA competitive shooting disciplines all have established records. For the sake of argument say that cans improve accuracy, but you are shooting live in a state that doesn't allow them, then every shooter in the US that is allowed to run them has an advantage over you when it comes to records. You couldn't own one, so traveling to another state to shoot with one would be disallowed. It sounds trivial until you are the guy who misses out on a national record by an X to someone who is allowed to run something that you are not. And you may not give a hoot one way or the other about records, but many if not most competitive shooters do. I've never seen someone shoot a record that didn't know it as soon as he did it, implying that he knew what the previous record was before he broke it. I've been there when at least three were tied or broken and something else I learned, it is up to you to notify the NRA that you set it. Something else I learned this month from someone who has broken one.


Personally I have no problem with cans, they put you at a disadvantage at 1000 yards on an F-TR rig because they take weight and don't increase MV. I'll get more MV and drop less points to wind, but understanding the system you should be able to see the reasoning.

I understand the point about records, and I'm not arguing that point. I'm not privy to who or what defines the divisions with f/tr, but I fail to see why there cannot be a separate division for suppressed or braked rifles. I As well, suppressors often boost mv, so that is a moot point in my opinion.

 

[Shootnjunky]

XTR, I actually didnt know it was an NRA based shoot. It was told to me it was just a way to shoot at 600yds so we went. Now I got the bug and want to shoot it again and actually be able to submit my score for ranking.

 

[gstaylorg]

Shootnjunky,
You're not alone, it seems to happen fairly regularly where I shoot. Just get yourself a thread protector and you should be GTG. Before competing again, you'll want to redetermine your zero(s); after removing the devices they may change anywhere from a little to a lot.

Other than the hiccup in the first match, looks like you shot very well your first time out. Since you've already admitted you want to shoot again, I might as well tell you that you're now officially 'hooked". This means you should probably start making a list now of the organs you can most easily live without, so that you can sell them off as you need more $$$ to fund your new addiction (LOL). Good luck!

 

[XTR]

XTR, I actually didnt know it was an NRA based shoot. It was told to me it was just a way to shoot at 600yds so we went. Now I got the bug and want to shoot it again and actually be able to submit my score for ranking.

HEHEH, FISH ON!

It is addicting. I only shoot 600 about 3 times a yr except in practice. I shoot long range (1000 or 800-900-1000) two to three days a month.

 

[no1special]

to the op: sorry you got stung, but whenever i go to a new venue i look it the venue up on the internet. not all but most have a website. look it over, see the terms and conditions of use, fees, etc. questions? most have contact info. very few club venues have totally open shooting, the public is only invited to events/competitions.

 

[Triple D]

Since the can reduces recoil, it may affect your groups if you aren't used to the full power recoil. The only way to know for sure is to try it out. Also, some ppl run a slightly different load for suppressed vs non-suppressed. A helpful hint...don't use a thread protector in a match unless you are damn sure that it is tight and won't move! I watched 3 rounds go all over the place till I figured out that the thread protector was walking up and down the barrel. Eight 10's and 3 x's in a row and then a series of 8's will make you lose your mind. I don't run a thread protector when I'm shooting comps anymore.

From personal experience, my rifle and load still maintains .5moa suppressed vs non with the same load. At longer ranges, I'm more accurate while running my 30p-1. I believe this is due to the rifle not jumping as much when not riding the bag the same during a string or poor fundamentals on my part.

Good luck, you're hooked now! I hope your wife is more understanding than mine. I'm pretty sure she would have rather seen me try heroin. She feels that it would have been cheaper!

 

[Shootnjunky]

I went and shot 30rds with the muzzle brake and suppressor off. I run an 18.5" barrel currently and I still held .75moa at 200yds. But I decided I am going to have a 26" barrel made so I can do this proper.

And I keep the costs a secret LOL