The Cartridge Conundrum

[Lowlight]

No, it’s a mindset,

It’s not about instant change or acceptance this is their bullshit thinking, “ well we can’t make that change cuz, “ it’s crap, it change on every level. It’s about opening the door and saying yes you can.

I guess you missed where I see people say, don’t do that you won’t be competitive.. we already know you’re not gonna be competitive, why does all this focus on placement vs growth. I see the word no more than sure.

If a person says, I wanna go do this with less than, I say, great, do it 3x get your feet under you then make the decision. Like bags, they are expensive and there are 10 variants, it’s truly the multiverse. I say, borrow all the bags until you find the one you like, then buy it, and look for a used one.

You have No Fucking Clue what I tell people, they only assume, you hate this, no I hate people, I see value in this if the wrong people would stop mucking it up for personal gain.

I don’t use this with Marc classes much, but this is in my PRII slides

Nothing changes overnight except failure, it’s giving people permission to be less than, this is what started that, I saw a question, and the answer was, you can’t do that, don’t waste your time, the winners use this and if you’re not you’re stupid, I saw all that, how does that, ur, grow the sport.

I will submit over the last 20 years, I’ve successfully “grown the sport” equal to if not better than any other name.

 

[Conrad]

I had a big post, but I'll keep it simple. I agree with Franks post above and club matches are where it's at for new and seasoned shooters. It's where guys should come and have fun, learn, borrow equipment etc. Plenty of viable cartridges to use to get into the game including 223 and ARC. I feel like another group of competitive shooters would have said absolutely to the ARC so it is unfortunate for the fellow on Facebook was met with that mindset. Curious what group that is??

I have witnessed a couple instances where a guy really needed to understand his rifle system better and in that case going to a training class would have been worth his time more than the club match. We all helped him along, but there were a few cringe moments, full revs off for no reason etc. Running matches on any level is a lot of work, but if some of the clubs start offering more train ups as a landing pad for the absolute newbies then they will be T'd up for success on their first match and I bet they come back. I worry that when a guy crashes and burns hard despite plenty of help at a match he may say, nope not for me.

 

[clefairy]

Dasher over 6arc in a bolt gun for sure though. Especially if someone is just getting into reloading, why advise them to pay for brass, dies, and equipment in a suckier round compared to pointing them in the right direction from the start.

And reloading dasher is super easy button, copy someone else’s load and you can hit low sd’s and small groups.

 

[Rob01]

Debating minutia aside, a new cartridge isn't going to be a sudden solution for getting people to try PRS. Like others have said, cost is a huge part of the barrier to entry and yet another niche cartridge won't fix that.

Cost is only a barrier if you make it one.

 

[Rob01]

I worry that when a guy crashes and burns hard despite plenty of help at a match he may say, nope not for me.

And it may not be for him. Matches are not for everyone. If he got all the help and did it and said nope then it is what it is.

 

[Macht]

Cost is only a barrier if you make it one.

Sure, you can argue it's purely a mindset thing. Cost isn't an issue to try a match for the first time, or to show up and shoot purely for fun. It is a barrier to being competitive/placing, but that's certainly not the only reason to shoot competitions.

 

[Rob01]

Sure, you can argue it's purely a mindset thing. Cost isn't an issue to try a match for the first time, or to show up and shoot purely for fun. It is a barrier to being competitive/placing, but that's certainly not the only reason to shoot competitions.

That’s my point. In this thread talking about new shooters and people are worried about things that will make advanced shooters get to a podium as why the sport is expensive. It’s not expensive to get into the sport and if you are just getting into the sport you shouldn’t be worried about being competitive or placing. You should be worried about being safe and learning.

 

[Lowlight]

Sure, you can argue it's purely a mindset thing. Cost isn't an issue to try a match for the first time, or to show up and shoot purely for fun. It is a barrier to being competitive/placing, but that's certainly not the only reason to shoot competitions.

See ya gotta be competitive, meanwhile 80% aren’t, yes you go to have fun first and foremost