Florida

[QuickNDirty]

They have something very similar to where both of my children attend school. You have to be buzzed in. To be honest, I couldn’t care less. If it stops/deters unauthorized entry into a massive structure full of hundreds of soft targets, much less innocent children, what’s the big deal? You might be the nicest, most honest and law abiding person in the world. The “buzzed in” doors aren’t for you. They are for your children and the nutbags who make seek to harm them. I would think that waiting an extra 30 seconds to walk into your kids school during hours is an easy concession to make.

The car line thing is just like that at my kids schools too. “Emergencies” have come up where I had to pick my kids up instead of my wife. I might not have the proper window “hanger” (because it is in my wife’s vehicle), but they have been understanding and allow my son to leave with me. Perhaps the school your kids attend is taking things a bit far with the letter of the law, especially if you are very well known with the faculty. Their hearts may be in the right place, even if their heads aren’t.

I get where you're coming from, that's pretty much my wife's view, as well.

I don't dislike the situation because it's inconvenient. I dislike it because it eats away at the fabric of mankind. I don't pretend to know the answers to all the questions, like what would you do to make sure someone doesn't come in and go all Nick Cruz on the students. I mean, one suggestion I think would be OK would be to have all the staff armed, but then you gotta consider the staff... On average, they're fucking degenerates communist fucking agitators. I don't trust those motherfuckers with anything.

But then, on the other hand, what does a situation like that do to the kids? A non-trivial percentage of the kids that go to that school aspire to be prisoners or gang members. Like, literally, you ask some of these fucktards what they want to do when they grow up, and they'll say they want to be on death row. How much of this bullshit has to do with the fact that these kids are waking up, getting yelled at by their retard parents, dropped off in a retarded chaotic shit line of vehicles driven by other retard parents, they go in the doors, go through metal detectors, then get hearded around the campus and go and sit and listen to some man/woman that looks at the students as their own damned kids and probably thinks marxism is a good idea for 8 hours, then wait for 1-2 hours for their retard parents to finagle their way through the fucked up chaotic shit line up to the point where they're checked out and then the kids get to go home and play CoD for the rest of the night?

I know what I wrote above was not eloquent or particularly easy to follow, but I assure you the point I am getting at is that the whole situation is fucked. Left unattended, I think it's just gonna get worse. I don't know that a band-aid is a viable option.

I think shit parenting is a big part of it.

I think medications are a big part of it.

I think the structure is a big part of it.

I think curriculum is a big part of it.

I think staff is a big part of it.

I think the general 'modern' idea of education is a big part of it.

I also think all these things are symptomatic of the real cock suck of an issue we're looking at unfolding now. Fucking commies are fucking up our country at every level. They're fucking up the local, state, and federal governments. They're fucking up all the educational institutions. They're fucking up our parents, our kids, our friends with their bullshit propaganda they spew (24/7/365)*a big number of media outlets like every fucking news station, netflix, hulu, youtube, amazon, et al. They're fucking up things in a more physical, more permanent way with fucked up medications that they have to spend most of a commercial warning you about all the side effects like depression, suicidal tendencies, and maybe you'll shit yourself uncontrollably until you die, so talk to your fucking physician plzkthxbai, now you can't sue me because you were warned. They're fucking up the way people live their lives and endeavor upon the pursuit of happiness by using the preceding failures as excuses to strip away freedom and liberty.

If it weren't for a tiny percentage of kids that are both fairly intelligent AND don't speak too negatively about the whole situation, I would say that the grand idea of institutionalized education is completely dead and should be regarded as non-existent, not an option, not even a remote possibility with things in the state they are in.

Throwing up some big bullet proof doors that don't open for anyone without a good reason to be there mitigates some threats, sure. But is that really the best way to nip Nick Cruz in the bud?

Could we have fucked up the Japanese by fortifying pearl harbor after they bombed it, and calling that good enough?

"Oh, I see what went wrong, there.. We needed some more AAA and some more recon. That'll prevent this from ever happening again..."

 

[_Windrider_]

I get where you're coming from, that's pretty much my wife's view, as well.

I don't dislike the situation because it's inconvenient. I dislike it because it eats away at the fabric of mankind. I don't pretend to know the answers to all the questions, like what would you do to make sure someone doesn't come in and go all Nick Cruz on the students. I mean, one suggestion I think would be OK would be to have all the staff armed, but then you gotta consider the staff... On average, they're fucking degenerates communist fucking agitators. I don't trust those motherfuckers with anything.

But then, on the other hand, what does a situation like that do to the kids? A non-trivial percentage of the kids that go to that school aspire to be prisoners or gang members. Like, literally, you ask some of these fucktards what they want to do when they grow up, and they'll say they want to be on death row. How much of this bullshit has to do with the fact that these kids are waking up, getting yelled at by their retard parents, dropped off in a retarded chaotic shit line of vehicles driven by other retard parents, they go in the doors, go through metal detectors, then get hearded around the campus and go and sit and listen to some man/woman that looks at the students as their own damned kids and probably thinks marxism is a good idea for 8 hours, then wait for 1-2 hours for their retard parents to finagle their way through the fucked up chaotic shit line up to the point where they're checked out and then the kids get to go home and play CoD for the rest of the night?

I know what I wrote above was not eloquent or particularly easy to follow, but I assure you the point I am getting at is that the whole situation is fucked. Left unattended, I think it's just gonna get worse. I don't know that a band-aid is a viable option.

I think shit parenting is a big part of it.

I think medications are a big part of it.

I think the structure is a big part of it.

I think curriculum is a big part of it.

I think staff is a big part of it.

I think the general 'modern' idea of education is a big part of it.

I also think all these things are symptomatic of the real cock suck of an issue we're looking at unfolding now. Fucking commies are fucking up our country at every level. They're fucking up the local, state, and federal governments. They're fucking up all the educational institutions. They're fucking up our parents, our kids, our friends with their bullshit propaganda they spew (24/7/365)*a big number of media outlets like every fucking news station, netflix, hulu, youtube, amazon, et al. They're fucking up things in a more physical, more permanent way with fucked up medications that they have to spend most of a commercial warning you about all the side effects like depression, suicidal tendencies, and maybe you'll shit yourself uncontrollably until you die, so talk to your fucking physician plzkthxbai, now you can't sue me because you were warned. They're fucking up the way people live their lives and endeavor upon the pursuit of happiness by using the preceding failures as excuses to strip away freedom and liberty.

If it weren't for a tiny percentage of kids that are both fairly intelligent AND don't speak too negatively about the whole situation, I would say that the grand idea of institutionalized education is completely dead and should be regarded as non-existent, not an option, not even a remote possibility with things in the state they are in.

All this is why my kids are homeschooled. Part of that home schooling is trigonometry lessons at least twice monthly on calculating drops.

The idea of institutional education was born of the government wanting to further their version of what they want you to believe. It’s about creating factory workers and mindless non free thinking slaves. Nothing less.

 

[bluegrasspicker]

I was talking to a nurse that works in Delivery and she said that they do an exam of a childs features to determine their state of health.

She is convinced that things like hemihypertrophy or the position of the eye line in relation to the ear, the shape and lines of the bridge of the nose, fall line of the ears, can be good predictors of issues later in life.

Not phrenology or anything like that just seeing things that dont compute correctly as human features, or they convey a "threat" or "error" message.

You all must have had that impression when you look at someone and there is just something about their physiology in their face that doesnt read right to you.

Again exhibit A....
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I dont think there is enough correlation to act on such stuff but our instincts developed to message us a certain way for a reason.

That's a really interesting idea, Pmclaine. I bet the press chooses pics that make a killer look crazy to support the narrative. It would be interesting to see 100 random pics of the guy to see if the crazed serial killer look is in all of them.

 

[Snuby642]

I freely open carry while shopping for my conservative vanilla ice cream in Texas.

Doesn't have anythig to do with some ass shooting up a school
Teachers should at least have the option of being trained and armed.
If they are too liberal for that, why are they allowed to teach our kids in the first place?

Was that shit accociated with antifia?

 

[whiskeytower]

Also wtf are they talking about when they say "if you see people on social media with guns say something" I actually suspect after this FB, Youtube and other media will out right ban any kind of weapons on those platforms.

 

[QuickNDirty]

All this is why my kids are homeschooled. Part of that home schooling is trigonometry lessons at least twice monthly on calculating drops.

The idea of institutional education was born of the government wanting to further their version of what they want you to believe. It’s about creating factory workers and mindless non free thinking slaves. Nothing less.

I dunno, man... I'm still trying to figure out what to do with my kids.
At the end of the day, though, this is a war. It's a weird war, one that spans multiple generations and doesn't usually involve any overt violence, but it is a war. The commies seem to think kids are the key. They seem to think that if you fuck up the kids, you'll fuck everything else up soon enough. Hitler was on about that, too. Maybe they're onto something. Maybe if we raised our kids to take on the responsibility of disciplining their peers and doing whatever they can to inspire their peers to be better than what they were today, then maybe our kids could actually do a lot to heal some of the damage we've all sustained.

Something along the lines of this girl

 

[_Windrider_]

I dunno, man... I'm still trying to figure out what to do with my kids.
At the end of the day, though, this is a war. It's a weird war, one that spans multiple generations and doesn't usually involve any overt violence, but it is a war. The commies seem to think kids are the key. They seem to think that if you fuck up the kids, you'll fuck everything else up soon enough. Hitler was on about that, too. Maybe they're onto something. Maybe if we raised our kids to take on the responsibility of disciplining their peers and doing whatever they can to inspire their peers to be better than what they were today, then maybe our kids could actually do a lot to heal some of the damage we've all sustained.

There is no easy solution to this. As it’s taken a generation to get where are (thanks FDR) it’ll take even longer to right the ship. Can’t remeber who, krushev maybe, was known for saying we don’t need to fight a war with America, we will defeat you from within (some say he never said it, who knows).....something like that. Socialism is a disease.

 

[TonyTheTiger]

All this is why my kids are homeschooled. Part of that home schooling is trigonometry lessons at least twice monthly on calculating drops.

The idea of institutional education was born of the government wanting to further their version of what they want you to believe. It’s about creating factory workers and mindless non free thinking slaves. Nothing less.

Yes. My Mom called that one 25 years ago and the situation hasn't improved since. There's times I question my decision to home school the kids, and there are a few cons, but in the big picture I sleep better every night knowing my kids aren't being brainwashed by some crazy HRC acolyte.

 

[_Windrider_]

Yes. My Mom called that one 25 years ago and the situation hasn't improved since. There's times I question my decision to home school the kids, and there are a few cons, but in the big picture I sleep better every night knowing my kids aren't being brainwashed by some crazy HRC acolyte.

Shit, Pink Floyd wrote a song about it in the 70’s

 

[TonyTheTiger]

Shit, Pink Floyd wrote a song about it in the 70’s

Is that what that songs about? I've tried to listen to it but I've never done drugs so Pink Floyd sounds almost Greek to me...

 

[_Windrider_]

Is that what that songs about? I've tried to listen to it but I've never done drugs so Pink Floyd sounds almost Greek to me...

“We don’t need no education
We don’t need no thought control....”



LSD makes it better

 

[sandwarrior]

I know this is late:

Edit: I'm pissed, I can't get the link to show. Anyhow, the description say's what I saw. A guy behind the drama, just checking his phone like nothin's goin on.

This the Miami Herald, which was forwarded(?) by the Washington Post. Scroll down and notice the two women hugging and crying...they guy behind them is casually checking his phone... wtf? On to the next reenactment? the charcoal cross on the one's head is denoting she's a victim? or been checked and cleared as "not a/the shooter?"

 

[ArmyJerry]

no longer available, soviet esq huh

 

[_Windrider_]

Shannon Watts is cumming in her depends over this.

 

[Mike_Honcho]

I can't see this when I go to the site....wonder why

Hit the refresh button in the lower left corner.


Muller’s probe was a trap. No deals will be made. Gitmo is being brought up to speed - quickly. Military Courts may have purview, Rendition is in play. Hillary was selling national secrets / Nuke material and missile technology to both Iran and Norks / helping the Russians corner the market on uranium / guns for drugs. Obama was complicit and profited as well. CIA runs North Korea. The history of corruption / perhaps the origins of corruption throughout the world is being attacked right now by Trump.

Good people in government really do exist, and this has been in the making for 3 years.

I know - too crazy right? Start looking into it. Scary part? Clinton crime ring is just the tip of the iceberg.


The story is being told in several places on the net. Here is a collection of all posts made by the group that is telling it. The group goes by the name of q anon on a next level version of 4 chan, called 8 chan. The group has proven itself to be very close to Trump. The story starts in October of this year. Scroll all the way to the bottom and start reading. Pick anything you want out of this and go do some independent study (please).

Q has been really clear - if they tore the band-aid off, it’d start a war. People have to wake up to this slowly.

https://qcodefag.github.io

 

[QuickNDirty]

There is no easy solution to this. As it’s taken a generation to get where are (thanks FDR) it’ll take even longer to right the ship. Can’t remeber who, krushev maybe, was known for saying we don’t need to fight a war with America, we will defeat you from within (some say he never said it, who knows).....something like that. Socialism is a disease.

Regardless of whether he said that or not, the truth remains that the aim is to corrupt from the top down, from the bottom up, and from the inside out.

 

[jungle45]

Personally I would like to see a public execution involving a wood chipper by the end of the week.

Deep cycle battery and jumper cables attached to his nuts!

 

[QuickNDirty]

Whoa, what the fuck is this shit? Why is KHOU in Florida? Who's this chick talking about shots fired while walking down the hall with the suspected shooter?

 

[Statusquo]

the charcoal cross on the one's head is denoting she's a victim? or been checked and cleared as "not a/the shooter?"

It's Ash Wednesday.

 

[QuickNDirty]

It's Ash Wednesday.

Humm.....

So lemme get this straight...

"Ni(ch|k)olas 'De Jesus' cruz (spanish -> english = cross) was caught by Sherrif Israel on the 45th day of the year which happens to be Saint Valentine's day and Ash Wednesday all at the same time"

Someone trying to say something?

 

[Veer_G]

Illuminati manatees with frickin' laser beams on their heads.

Check ...

 

[FS1]

that sheriff is a democrat

He is but he has been a pretty good Sheriff.

 

[pmclaine]

That's a really interesting idea, Pmclaine. I bet the press chooses pics that make a killer look crazy to support the narrative. It would be interesting to see 100 random pics of the guy to see if the crazed serial killer look is in all of them.

There is no science behind it (that I know of) and the thought of judging early based on looks strikes me as eugenics.

I think the nurses are more concerned with seeing if there are signs of downs but I think those issues are detectable with real science not subjective scans (besides it would probably be a less violent world all around if we all had a touch of downs judging by what I observe of people with the syndrome).

But thats interesting the idea of the press pulling the crazy pictures, kind of how they find the first communion pictures of gang bangers to present a narrative.

 

[pmclaine]

Humm.....

So lemme get this straight...

"Ni(ch|k)olas 'De Jesus' cruz (spanish -> english = cross) was caught by Sherrif Israel on the 45th day of the year which happens to be Saint Valentine's day and Ash Wednesday all at the same time"

Someone trying to say something?

Didnt Cruz' father kill Kennedy?

 

[Maggot]

In custody. Helicopter video of him being searched/put in car.

I just cant understand why the "Shooters" are ever taken alive in thse situations. Killed trying to excape is so much cheaper for the taxpayer.

 

[Nik H]

Hit the refresh button in the lower left corner.

https://qcodefag.github.io

Thanks

 

[quietmike]

Both my sister and BIL are teachers with carry permits. Both would carry in the school if allowed.

I'm betting more than a few guys on this forum would volunteer to pull security at schools and/or training others for the same.

In most states, getting an armed security license isn't much more than getting a carry permit, and lots of folks would donate money to put teachers/administrators through that class.

 

[pmclaine]

Talking heads on talk radio talking about this.....

Banning the AR15 seems to be the prevalent solution they present.

At a seminar wit Col Dave Grossman ten or so years ago he posited that we are in for hard times as kids were being conditioned to violence or at minimum lack of empathy by the content and in some cases "training" being provided by video games.

Could be part of it, the sheltered no responsibility, no accountability lives of these kids could be another.

No matter what Id rather live with the possibility of a crazed kid than the possibility of being defenseless against a crazed government.

 

[ArmyJerry]

its the meds

 

[Maggot]

Amid tragedy a bravery shines out

U.S.The Independent

Florida shooting: The football coach who 'died a hero' after shielding students from gunman Nikolas Cruz
A football coach “died a hero” after using his body as a shield to protect a student during the Florida high school massacre. Aaron Feis was shot dead as he tried to stop Nikolas Cruz killing pupils at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland. “He selflessly shielded students from the shooter when he was shot,” said the school’s football team in a statement on Twitter.

Florida community seeks answers after 17 killed in school rampageReuters17 dead in Florida high school

 

[Nik H]

I'm sick to my stomach that MSM including FOX is broadcasting the video of the shooting. I can't imagine what those kids felt.

Our country is so far gone....I don't know what else to say.

Sickening

 

[pmclaine]

Amid tragedy a bravery shines out

U.S.The Independent

Florida shooting: The football coach who 'died a hero' after shielding students from gunman Nikolas Cruz
A football coach “died a hero” after using his body as a shield to protect a student during the Florida high school massacre. Aaron Feis was shot dead as he tried to stop Nikolas Cruz killing pupils at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland. “He selflessly shielded students from the shooter when he was shot,” said the school’s football team in a statement on Twitter.

Florida community seeks answers after 17 killed in school rampageReuters17 dead in Florida high school

Hate to be a dick but stand by for "The Aaron Feis common sense AR15 Ban" bill to be presented by some congress person.

Id rather see the "Aaron Feis Lets Heal our Sick Society" research bill.

 

[ArmyJerry]

well, its a huge psyop to them, their mission is to tear this country apart, people control is much easier with a frightened population.

 

[Nik H]

I just don't get the thought process people have. They can't see the forest for the trees. Disarming the public causes me much more fear than any psycho with a gun

 

[FS1]

Q has been really clear - if they tore the band-aid off, it’d start a war. People have to wake up to this slowly.

https://qcodefag.github.io

Problem with Q is they talk in Nostradamus like speak. It can be widely interpreted. Also they have a few things they have seem to gotten right. But much more they have gotten wrong.

Such as; Said the Military would be deployed while POTUS was at Davos (did not happen). They said this week POTUS would activate national Emergency alert system multiple times (as of yet did not happen). They use vague inferences that they can apply to almost any occasion. I would love them to be right, but my brain says whoa doggie lets stick to clear facts.

Q could be a dis-info Campaign or just complete BS. Or maybe both or neither. That's the problem its vapor that can't be cornered.

 

[5RWill]

John Noveskes last Facebook post

Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold's medical records have never been made available to the public.

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.

James Wilson, age 19, (various psychiatric drugs) from Breenwood, South Carolina, took a .22 caliber revolver into an elementary school killing two young girls, and wounding seven other children and two teachers.

Elizabeth Bush, age 13, (Paxil) was responsible for a school shooting in Pennsylvania

Jason Hoffman (Effexor and Celexa) – school shooting in El Cajon, California

Jarred Viktor, age 15, (Paxil), after five days on Paxil he stabbed his grandmother 61 times.

Chris Shanahan, age 15 (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman.

Jeff Franklin (Prozac and Ritalin), Huntsville, AL, killed his parents as they came home from work using a sledge hammer, hatchet, butcher knife and mechanic's file, then attacked his younger brothers and sister.

Neal Furrow (Prozac) in LA Jewish school shooting reported to have been court-ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications.

Kevin Rider, age 14, was withdrawing from Prozac when he died from a gunshot wound to his head. Initially it was ruled a suicide, but two years later, the investigation into his death was opened as a possible homicide. The prime suspect, also age 14, had been taking Zoloft and other SSRI antidepressants.

Alex Kim, age 13, hung himself shortly after his Lexapro prescription had been doubled.

Diane Routhier was prescribed Welbutrin for gallstone problems. Six days later, after suffering many adverse effects of the drug, she shot herself.

Billy Willkomm, an accomplished wrestler and a University of Florida student, was prescribed Prozac at the age of 17. His family found him dead of suicide – hanging from a tall ladder at the family's Gulf Shore Boulevard home in July 2002.

Kara Jaye Anne Fuller-Otter, age 12, was on Paxil when she hung herself from a hook in her closet. Kara's parents said ".... the damn doctor wouldn't take her off it and I asked him to when we went in on the second visit. I told him I thought she was having some sort of reaction to Paxil...")

Gareth Christian, Vancouver, age 18, was on Paxil when he committed suicide in 2002,
(Gareth's father could not accept his son's death and killed himself.)

Julie Woodward, age 17, was on Zoloft when she hung herself in her family's detached garage.

Matthew Miller was 13 when he saw a psychiatrist because he was having difficulty at school. The psychiatrist gave him samples of Zoloft. Seven days later his mother found him dead, hanging by a belt from a laundry hook in his closet.

Kurt Danysh, age 18, and on Prozac, killed his father with a shotgun. He is now behind prison bars, and writes letters, trying to warn the world that SSRI drugs can kill.

Woody ____, age 37, committed suicide while in his 5th week of taking Zoloft. Shortly before his death his physician suggested doubling the dose of the drug. He had seen his physician only for insomnia. He had never been depressed, nor did he have any history of any mental illness symptoms.

A boy from Houston, age 10, shot and killed his father after his Prozac dosage was increased.

Hammad Memon, age 15, shot and killed a fellow middle school student. He had been diagnosed with ADHD and depression and was taking Zoloft and "other drugs for the conditions."

Matti Saari, a 22-year-old culinary student, shot and killed 9 students and a teacher, and wounded another student, before killing himself. Saari was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

Steven Kazmierczak, age 27, shot and killed five people and wounded 21 others before killing himself in a Northern Illinois University auditorium. According to his girlfriend, he had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien. Toxicology results showed that he still had trace amounts of Xanax in his system.

Finnish gunman Pekka-Eric Auvinen, age 18, had been taking antidepressants before he killed eight people and wounded a dozen more at Jokela High School – then he committed suicide.
Asa Coon from Cleveland, age 14, shot and wounded four before taking his own life. Court records show Coon was on Trazodone.

Jon Romano, age 16, on medication for depression, fired a shotgun at a teacher in his
New York high school.

Missing from list... 3 of 4 known to have taken these same meds....

What drugs was Jared Lee Loughner on, age 21...... killed 6 people and injuring 14 others in Tuscon, Az

What drugs was James Eagan Holmes on, age 24..... killed 12 people and injuring 59 others in Aurora Colorado

What drugs was Jacob Tyler Roberts on, age 22, killed 2 injured 1, Clackamas Or

What drugs was Adam Peter Lanza on, age 20, Killed 26 and wounded 2 in Newtown Ct
Roberts is the only one that I haven't heard about being on drugs of some kind.

I'm not saying drugs aren't an influence because they can certainly alter moods. But i do not agree to that effect. You don't up a dose of a SSRI or an amphetamine and all of a sudden want to kill people or yourself. You have some deep underlying psychiatric issues if you're remotely having these types of thoughts on or off medication. The real difference between the present and the past is the news flocks to tragedies like flies to cow shit in the present and 40-50 years ago, the perps would've never been heard.

You have to remember we've got some odd what 50+ million people who think our president is as bad as Adolf Hitler, a man who eradicated humans on the premise of how they looked and their religion. This is what happens when society becomes devoid of a moral conscious towards one another, when the rule of law is "do what makes you feel good". I could go on and i'm not saying drugs don't play a part because i think they do but it's doesn't posses the person and cause them to gun down people.

 

[The King]

Actually, yes you do. The human brain has a series of constantly running negative thought processes.

These processes are an artifact of herd survival over individual survival - like killing yourself when the herd runs out of food. Or the vague discomfort many feel about homosexuality.

These thought processes are attacked and defeated by the brains “inhibitory loop”, and in most people it is done so effectively the thought of harming yourself or others never surfaces.

BUT - SSRI and SNRI meds affect the inhibitory loop. Negatively. There are even combinations of meds that will take a normal person and cause them to think of NOTHING but killing themselves until they make it work.

I'm not saying drugs aren't an influence because they can certainly alter moods. But i do not agree to that effect. You don't up a dose of a SSRI or an amphetamine and all of a sudden want to kill people or yourself. You have some deep underlying psychiatric issues if you're remotely having these types of thoughts on or off medication. The real difference between the present and the past is the news flocks to tragedies like flies to cow shit in the present and 40-50 years ago, the perps would've never been heard.

You have to remember we've got some odd what 50+ million people who think our president is as bad as Adolf Hitler, a man who eradicated humans on the premise of how they looked and their religion. This is what happens when society becomes devoid of a moral conscious towards one another, when the rule of law is "do what makes you feel good". I could go on and i'm not saying drugs don't play a part because i think they do but it's doesn't posses the person and cause them to gun down people.

 

[5RWill]

Actually, yes you do. The human brain has a series of constantly running negative thought processes.

These processes are an artifact of herd survival over individual survival - like killing yourself when the herd runs out of food. Or the vague discomfort many feel about homosexuality.

These thought processes are attacked and defeated by the brains “inhibitory loop”, and in most people it is done so effectively the thought of harming yourself or others never surfaces.

BUT - SSRI and SNRI meds affect the inhibitory loop. Negatively. There are even combinations of meds that will take a normal person and cause them to think of NOTHING but killing themselves until they make it work.

To some effect i don't think it's that overwhelming though, less we're to go on the basis that physicians just don't know what they're doing anymore, and are prescribing wildly beyond what these people need, which to some degree could be true. I agree there are combinations, you see it a lot when patients are going to different physicians and they aren't cross referencing medication and just loading them up. I'm just saying i don't believe it's a flip of a switch based on one medication, from personal experience, working in healthcare, psych, and pharm. You don't go from 15-30mg of dextroamphetamine and go kill people. (most of his examples were ADD/ADHD) I don't believe it's that clear cut but hell maybe i'm wrong. My point is having the thoughts overwhelming or not and acting on them are two different things. The act is a choice alone.

I'm not a psychiatrist so you might be much more grounded than me in the subject, just going off what i've seen since i started working in healthcare. Not necessarily disagreeing just not sure i believe it's to the effect we think it is.

 

[Niles Coyote]

Megan Kelly is speaking her mind this morning... Maybe a reform is needed... Lets start with limiting the amount of speech that could be considered hateful, hurtful or discriminatory to anyone by the press and their reporting practices. We need safer, friendlier reporting. We should feel Happy and Uplifted when we turn the news on.

 

[DuneBoer]

THIS
“BUT - SSRI and SNRI meds affect the inhibitory loop. Negatively. There are even combinations of meds that will take a normal person and cause them to think of NOTHING but killing themselves until they make it work.”

Add into it illegal drug use, self medicating, alcohol etc and you have no idea what the effects are. I’m guessing bad.

Psycho kid on meds? Might be a correlation. Combine that with our fucked up society in general.

 

[TimeWillTell]

To some effect i don't think it's that overwhelming though, less we're to go on the basis that physicians just don't know what they're doing anymore, and are prescribing wildly beyond what these people need, which to some degree could be true. I agree there are combinations, you see it a lot when patients are going to different physicians and they aren't cross referencing medication and just loading them up. I'm just saying i don't believe it's a flip of a switch based on one medication, from personal experience, working in healthcare, psych, and pharm. You don't go from 15-30mg of dextroamphetamine and go kill people. (most of his examples were ADD/ADHD) I don't believe it's that clear cut but hell maybe i'm wrong. My point is having the thoughts overwhelming or not and acting on them are two different things. The act is a choice alone.

I'm not a psychiatrist so you might be much more grounded than me in the subject, just going off what i've seen since i started working in healthcare. Not necessarily disagreeing just not sure i believe it's to the effect we think it is.

There is a correlation between SSRI and suicide. They don't make you commit suicide per second but often we see people that have been so depressed they can't do anything that are then treated, often with an SSRI, and they improve enough that they now have the energy and motivation to carry out the act, whereas before they were too depressed. To my knowledge there hasn't been this link established to homicide (despite some here saying to the contrary), but I will admit that I believe there COULD be a similar phenomenon. That said, just like with depression and suicide, those thoughts are pre-existing. So we aren't causing people to commit suicide (or homicide, if you are one that believes that), but we may be inadvertently given people enough improvement in their depression they now "feel up to it."

ADHD meds (Ritalin, etc) is a completely different medication profile and effect. Last I looked people with ADHD were no more likely than the general population to commit suicide or homicide.

 

[Mike_Honcho]

Problem with Q is they talk in Nostradamus like speak. It can be widely interpreted. Also they have a few things they have seem to gotten right. But much more they have gotten wrong.

Such as; Said the Military would be deployed while POTUS was at Davos (did not happen). They said this week POTUS would activate national Emergency alert system multiple times (as of yet did not happen). They use vague inferences that they can apply to almost any occasion. I would love them to be right, but my brain says whoa doggie lets stick to clear facts.

Q could be a dis-info Campaign or just complete BS. Or maybe both or neither. That's the problem its vapor that can't be cornered.

100% but the Socratic Method is about forcing the reader to answer the question being posed.

In fact from the onset Q stated that dis-info is real and necessary. It is sort of like the Military Parade - do you really think that Trump wants to hold a MIL Parade to honor the MIL?

Pay attention to what is real. Connect dots from what the MSM is telling you and the clues Q is giving you and what you and others are finding on your own.

 

[...]

There is a correlation between SSRI and suicide. They don't make you commit suicide per second but often we see people that have been so depressed they can't do anything that are then treated, often with an SSRI, and they improve enough that they now have the energy and motivation to carry out the act, whereas before they were too depressed. To my knowledge there hasn't been this link established to homicide (despite some here saying to the contrary), but I will admit that I believe there COULD be a similar phenomenon. That said, just like with depression and suicide, those thoughts are pre-existing. So we aren't causing people to commit suicide (or homicide, if you are one that believes that), but we may be inadvertently given people enough improvement in their depression they now "feel up to it."

.

the thing you have to remember with suicide statistics on depression medications is......well.....the subjects already suffer from depression, and they may already be contemplating suicide

so whether they are on the medicine or not, they may committed suicide.

most SSRIs take upwards of 30 days to start to have an effect......and since doctors start you out on a low dose.....it is likely going to have to be upped slowly in order to be effective....... i have met with people who have been on medication for YEARS and had no effect.........

what ive seen, is that most people contemplating suicide are those who are fustrated because their medication isnt helping......they are people who have gone through several different doses, and serveral different medications, over the course of years.....and nothing has helped......so they see suicide as "the only way out".

the problem is, modern psychiatry is still in its infancy......and much of it is not an exact science.

now personally, i do think there are issues in medicating kids while their brain is still developing.....i know in my case i was well into my 20s before i got on medication........especially at a younger age, i feel therapy would solve most of the problems they are trying to solve with drugs.

 

[5RWill]

There is a correlation between SSRI and suicide. They don't make you commit suicide per second but often we see people that have been so depressed they can't do anything that are then treated, often with an SSRI, and they improve enough that they now have the energy and motivation to carry out the act, whereas before they were too depressed. To my knowledge there hasn't been this link established to homicide (despite some here saying to the contrary), but I will admit that I believe there COULD be a similar phenomenon. That said, just like with depression and suicide, those thoughts are pre-existing. So we aren't causing people to commit suicide (or homicide, if you are one that believes that), but we may be inadvertently given people enough improvement in their depression they now "feel up to it."

ADHD meds (Ritalin, etc) is a completely different medication profile and effect. Last I looked people with ADHD were no more likely than the general population to commit suicide or homicide.

I trailed off back to ADHD meds my mistake and didn't follow up on the SSRI or SSNRI. I worked in pharmacy for two years didn't mean to make it sound like they're one in the same as they're extremely different. My point was as i said that the act was a choice alone and that's what i was really getting at. There's an inherent trend between SSRI/SSNRIs and suicide because they're used to combat depression/anxiety almost exclusively. Which is why i mentioned that maybe the fault lies with physicians over prescribing. The negative feedback loop King is referring to is essentially a regulatory mechanism called negative feedback inhibition. Less i misunderstood what he was getting at. The body stops making the hormone, neurotransmitter, molecule, etc. once it feels there is enough. SSRI/SSNRI effectively block the reuptake of the neurotransmitter to cause release of more serotonin or in the case of SSNRI norepinephrine as well, using these chemicals/neurotransmitters to alter the mood of said person. As king noted or someone, that usually all is well but there is a minority or subset of individuals in which the side effects of the drug aren't at all healthy. I agree that thoughts are pre-existing we all have them, i don't deny that. I guess i should've been more clear in what i was trying to say. Which was as i already stated the overarching change in mood is just that, acting on it to kill people rather than seek help, knowing something is wrong is a choice. I believe that lies deeper in the individual than just a drug induced mood swing. Though maybe i'm wrong and that's just my personal opinion because i can't see it, that it would alter someone to such an effect they would do something so evil.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

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Is this the shooter or not? I'm being told this is NOT the same guy.

 

[deersniper]

Did I hear correctly that the FBI had been notified and did nothing and also that this tard had YT videos saying what he was going to do ?

If so just like the VT shooting this is another case of .gov fuck up. When .gov fucks up they get more money and more power.

 

[2ndamendfan]

@QuickNDirty @mcameron
Both of you have good lists. And that is THE problem everyone wants a silver bullet or blue pill. There are multiple issues that add up to this.

As for SRO's around here most elementary schools have one that rotates through 5 schools a week. My wife's school has an SRO on Wednesday only. Her's is a city officer who personally seems like a dick head. Does not seem to "enjoy" the duty of protecting the kids

Jr high and high school have an officer assigned all day everyday for the whole year. They are county sheriff's and are really good. When my daughter was in Jr high they had a fundraiser. One where the principal will kiss a pig if they raise xxxx$$. Well the SRO opened his big mouth and said if they raised xxxxxxxxx he would shave his beard off. He said his wife of 12 years had never seen him without a beard. Well when it came down to the last day my daughter said they were about $100 short. I handed her $125, and said have fun.

This accomplished a lot. Got the LEO to think next time. Let my daughter know i would support her. My daughter being introverted some got her to "be cool" for awhile to her fellow class mates. Plus a few little extras.

A couple days later the school had an assembly. I took the day off, 8 other sheriff's showed up to harass his ass. My daughter got to shave some of his beard off with an electric razor (a professional finished with a straight razor).

Anyway the sherrifs interact with the kids and get to know them. When my daughter was in high school a 16 year old brought a gun to school with intent. Someone got wind and went straight to the sherrif. He confronted the student and had the situation under control in minutes. The school is kind of rural but with in 10ish minutes about 50 LEO from 7 or 8 agencies were there.

@TacticalDillhole @TonyTheTiger. My mother was a teacher for 35 years. My wife is in her 14th year. My daughter was 7th in her class of over 650. I have some knowlegde as to the public school system as it pertains to Utah at least. But i believe it fits in general. Homeschooling is not without its negatives. With that. The public school system is what you want it to be. You get out of it what you put it. My wife has 30 students do you really think that they all get the attention they deserve? My wife deals with it all day everyday, parents who feel it is her job to do all the education. Personally homeschooling + public school is the best of both. Which is what parents are supposed to do. It is hard coming home from work beat down and then having to help with home work for 4 hours.

My wife has a friend who has homeschooled all 4 of her kids. They are all fucking idiots, because her and her husband are idiots also. Home schooling is the same, you get out what you put in. I am not knocking anyone for homeschooling. If done correctly it takes a huge commitment. I am just saying public is not as evil as some might think.

You need to have an amazing relationship with your child. Personally treat them like people. I have always treated my daughter as a person and since about 7 as an adult. We talk about adult things that most seem to shy away from. Money, drugs, people trying to influence you. Sex came later of course, but I dont shy away from ANY subject.

Explain, dont berate. The liberal ideals didn't show up from teachers until high school and only from a couple. I told my daughter how I felt and why. She either ignored in most cases or spoke up a couple times.

College is where the true liberals teach and my daughter has had to tell a couple to STFU. I tell her how proud of her I am. One she was pretty worried the professor would retaliate with a grade or two drop. She kept and I on it and was ready to go to the Dean about it but those worries were unfounded.

@quietmike are you sure teachers cant not carry in your state? In Utah (also Ohio i believe) anyone with a CCW permit can carry in ANY public school. There are 10 or so other states that ONLY teachers can carry not general public with CCW.
I meet people all the time who dont know I can carry in a public school. I carry 99% of the time but I never ever go in a school, church or movie theater without a firearm (movie i also carry a 800lumen flash light).

 

[TimeWillTell]

im currently on SSRIs and have spent some time in treatment for chronic depression.....i was a fucking mess before hand...and thanks to treatment, i an stable as a fucking rock.

the thing you have to remember with suicide statistics on depression medications is......well.....the subjects already suffer from depression, and they may already be contemplating suicide

so whether they are on the medicine or not, they may committed suicide.

most SSRIs take upwards of 30 days to start to have an effect......and since doctors start you out on a low dose.....it is likely going to have to be upped slowly in order to be effective.......now in my case, i was lucky, and this process only took me 3 months (miracles of modern science honestly) however, i have met with people who have been on medication for YEARS and had no effect.........

what ive seen, is that most people contemplating suicide are those who are fustrated because their medication isnt helping......they are people who have gone through several different doses, and serveral different medications, over the course of years.....and nothing has helped......so they see suicide as "the only way out".

the problem is, modern psychiatry is still in its infancy......and much of it is not an exact science.

now personally, i do think there are issues in medication kids while their brain is still developing.....i know in my case i was well into my 20s before i got on medication........especially at a younger age, i feel therapy would solve most of the problems they are trying to solve with drugs.

I trailed off back to ADHD meds my mistake and didn't follow up on the SSRI or SSNRI. I worked in pharmacy for two years didn't mean to make it sound like they're one in the same as they're extremely different. My point was as i said that the act was a choice alone and that's what i was really getting at. There's an inherent trend between SSRI/SSNRIs and suicide because they're used to combat depression/anxiety almost exclusively. Which is why i mentioned that maybe the fault lies with physicians over prescribing. The negative feedback loop King is referring to is essentially a regulatory mechanism called negative feedback inhibition. Less i misunderstood what he was getting at. The body stops making the hormone, neurotransmitter, molecule, etc. once it feels there is enough. SSRI/SSNRI effectively block the reuptake of the neurotransmitter this to cause release of more serotonin or in the case of SSNRI norepinephrine, using these chemicals/neurotransmitters to alter the mood of said person. As king noted or someone that usually all is well but there is a minority of subset of individuals in which the side effects of the drug aren't at all healthy. I agree that thoughts are pre-existing we all have them, i don't deny that. I guess i should've been more clear in what i was trying to say. Which was as i already stated the overarching change in mood is just that, acting on it to kill people rather than seek help, knowing something is wrong is a choice. I believe that lies deeper in the individual than just a drug induced mood swing. Though maybe i'm wrong and that's just my personal opinion because i can't see it, that it would alter someone to such an effect they would do something so evil.

Yeah I'm aware of all this, I prescribe SSRIs commonly. I was just commenting on that specific point that there is A correlation and why there is a warning regarding suicide with SSRI. Mcameron is spot on that those requiring medication are often already contemplating suicide, which is point I was trying to make when I said often people "feel good enough to complete the act." I'm glad you saw improvement, mcameron, most of my patients do as well.

Basically we three agree: SSRIs don't inherently make someone suicidal or homicidal.

 

[5RWill]

Yeah I'm aware of all this, I prescribe SSRIs commonly. I was just commenting on that specific point that there is A correlation and why there is a warning regarding suicide with SSRI. Mcameron is spot on that those requiring medication are often already contemplating suicide, which is point I was trying to make when I said often people "feel good enough to complete the act." I'm glad you saw improvement, mcameron, most of my patients do as well.

Gotcha, i forgot you were an M.D. that just came back to me as we discussed it in a previous thread. Wasn't trying to "educate" you so to speak just elaborate that I didn't mean to lump ADD/ADHD meds into the same category.

 

[Veer_G]

Is this the shooter or not? I'm being told this is NOT the same guy.

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