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MSNBC just showed a video of a female high school senior ranting about the lack of gun control at a rally in FT. Lauderdale. It makes me sick whenever the MSM parades these kids as subject matter experts.

WTF - why is a 17 year old kid allowed speak, on national TV, on a matter that she knows absolutely nothing about?
 
MSNBC just showed a video of a female high school senior ranting about the lack of gun control at a rally in FT. Lauderdale. It makes me sick whenever the MSM parades these kids as subject matter experts.

WTF - why is a 17 year old kid allowed speak, on national TV, on a matter that she knows absolutely nothing about?

Using the children is an age old tactic to push a narrative. That speech was cram packed full of misinformation, which will be gobbled up as "gospel" by those who are uninformed and unwilling to do their own research.
 
I pretty much make it a rule that when someone trots out "for our children", I go the opposite way.
Communists, fascists, tyrants, carbon cultists & other religious zealots all love trotting out ill informed young people who have been pumped with propaganda and are too stupid and uninformed to know any better as their spokes people to try to play the sympathy card.

Not to mention young people tend to be a bit on the crazed zealot side when all amped up by propaganda and have no experience to understand how stupid and being used they are.
 
I think David is a bit of an attention whore. He did an interview with Fox too.
Problem is he was likely nowhere near the incident, but wants to be on tv badly.......what’s a soft spoken guy to do, but get on tv and repeat things other people told him.....hard to keep it all straight after a few hours.
 
I think David is a bit of an attention whore. He did an interview with Fox too.
Problem is he was likely nowhere near the incident, but wants to be on tv badly.......what’s a soft spoken guy to do, but get on tv and repeat things other people told him.....hard to keep it all straight after a few hours.

I think you're right. Here he is, again!




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Sometimes I wonder if we should regress a little in terms of civility... Maybe do a little reinterpretation on what exactly is cruel or unusual...

There's some folks being churned out these days that I would not think it the least bit cruel or unusual to push through a wood chipper.


I also think it's time for a reinterpretation. Perhaps first start by legalizing an eye-for-an-eye policy. For instance, if someone is convicted of torture, I don't think visiting the same treatment upon them qualifies as cruel or unusual. If you get caught fighting dogs, then you end up in a cage with a few that might not have eaten for a couple of days. If you chain your kids up and starve them, then your remaining years are going to be extremely uncomfortable for you.

If you want to deter crime, then criminals need to fear the victim (ie those who exercise their second amendment rights) or they need to fear the consequences/punishment. Preferably both.
 
I also think it's time for a reinterpretation. Perhaps first start by legalizing an eye-for-an-eye policy. For instance, if someone is convicted of torture, I don't think visiting the same treatment upon them qualifies as cruel or unusual. If you get caught fighting dogs, then you end up in a cage with a few that might not have eaten for a couple of days. If you chain your kids up and starve them, then your remaining years are going to be extremely uncomfortable for you.

If you want to deter crime, then criminals need to fear the victim (ie those who exercise their second amendment rights) or they need to fear the consequences/punishment. Preferably both.

Dunno about eye for an eye as that can get carried away in a hurry, but it definitely shouldn't take much time after conviction to get executed, and the death penalty should be applied to more stuff like raping kids, and i might even be convinced that participation in organized crime and gang related things warrants it.

Good old public executions for the outstanding shitheads.
 
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terrorism
noun
Definition of terrorism for English Language Learners
: the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal
 
Everyone knew he was a PIA So why did they leave him unchecked, Prevention is better than the Cure so why wait till he killed all them kids, bloody Stupid, Now it's too late, The FBI knew about him but they were too busy covering their backsides within the political world, And I wish they would stop calling him a kid the bloke is a man,

John.
 
MSNBC just showed a video of a female high school senior ranting about the lack of gun control at a rally in FT. Lauderdale. It makes me sick whenever the MSM parades these kids as subject matter experts.

WTF - why is a 17 year old kid allowed speak, on national TV, on a matter that she knows absolutely nothing about?

I'd says she knows a bit more about being involved in a mass shooting than most of us, and about the shit show that is the current background check system. One should admit too, that such events can, do, and shall change the way people think about things.

Most people on this site are experiential learners, or at least purport to be ... listening to experience with an open mind never hurts.
 
I'd says she knows a bit more about being involved in a mass shooting than most of us, and about the shit show that is the current background check system. One should admit too, that such events can, do, and shall change the way people think about things.

Most people on this site are experiential learners, or at least purport to be ... listening to experience with an open mind never hurts.

Being a victim does not all of a sudden make one qualified on the matter of gun laws.

Thats like saying i was involved a car crash....so i am qualified to talk about motor vehicle safety systems.
 
Most people on this site are experiential learners, or at least purport to be ... listening to experience with an open mind never hurts.

Something about perfect = perfect practice....

Experiential learning - in fact all 'knowledge' passed on is ultimately only as credible as the result of the experience which is cited as valuable.

So within that, Gun Control has been an utter failure in the areas where it is championed the loudest. And yet, if they could just yell a little louder, ban in a few more areas.......

FANTASY LAND

Gun control is merely control.

Bad people are using your goodness while putting you into what is positioned as a moral dilemma and using the MSM and agent provocateurs to intensely unify the discussion points (banning) and encourage the perception of a required time element to make a decision.

Why is that?

How long has this been going on?

Does it feel like the pace of events is quickening?
 
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I'll just drop this here for a minute. Anyone surprised?



'It has his fingerprints all over it': Ex-sheriff David Clarke suggests push for gun control by surviving Florida high students is being 'organized' by Democratic billionaire George Soros

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You dont need to be a cowboy hat wearing Sheriff to see the signage, buses, ready made T shirts, kids reading off teleprompters, main stream media cherry picking interviews to understand this is being planned.

Im guessing there is a house in a tony DC suburb that is operations center central working on this when not covering tracks and promoting the coup.

My question why are they using this one and they gave Vegas a good old leaving alone?

Whats being hidden there.
 
Something about perfect = perfect practice....

Bad people are using your goodness while putting you into what is positioned as a moral dilemma and using the MSM and agent provocateurs to intensely unify the discussion points (banning) and encourage the perception of a required time element to make a decision.

Why is that?

How long has this been going on?

Does it feel like the pace of events is quickening?

If course the pace is quickening. "The Swamp" is currently dealing with the one thing that they feared the most: a president who is not one of them. A president lawfully elected by the people and acting for the people. The attempts to unseat him through legitimate means have failed, and he is moving forward with policies that do NOT fit their agenda.
Those in power know full well that any attempt to remove President Trump without sufficient legitimate cause will be met with an armed resistance by enough patriots, that it will turn ugly. This is the exact reason why we have the 2A and why they fear it.

To those in power, disarming the people has never beem more important to their plans...
 
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Somebody should go check and see how much money (if any) Sorros has been giving to people higher up on the food chain at the FBI, or those related to them.

This whole children marching out of class to the Florida government seat just stinks to the high heavens of Soros, Bloomberg, Clintons & Obama along with the rest of their ilk. This is pure political theater & I despise people who use stupid ignorant children an pawns & puppets to say all kinds of BS. Unfortunately the Children are too stupid & ignorant to understand how they are such pawns.

Where is the great Children's march to the FBI office demanding to know why they refused to act?
 
History repeats itself with slight variations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Crusade

Using children and putting them in harms way is of no concern for the left.

Children all from south of our border were enticed north by the modern pied piper obama with the reward of DACA to those that survivd and entero virus for the kids that already lived here brought by the new kids salted into the public schools all over the land in the dark of night.

HC Andersson wishes he was alive today to write fairy tales based on the true to life evil that abounds.

Every time you hear the word "Forward" understand its history and realize the speaker is not your friend.

The Dems use "Forward" in its historical battle cry sense.

I see more Repubs saying it these days joining in on the agenda.

Capt Henry P Crowe, USMC Guadalcanal, didn't yell "Forward" he said "Follow Me!"

See the difference?
 
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Rumor Mill:

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2018/02/22/from-over-the-transom-nra-rumint/

“Advancement Leadership” is a big-dick division of the NRA, and has been working on this plan since before the FL shooting
Leadership has decided to introduce a bill to the house this coming Monday, after announcing on Friday, that completely overhauls two major federal regulatory structures:
1. Application review for ATF’s 4473 licensing procedure for firearms dealers, making it incredibly more comprehensive (and expensive, by about $3,400); and
2. Review procedures and accessibility for the FBI’s NICS background check system for individual gun purchasers.
Part of the bill actually calls for amending HIPAA, allowing the FBI to access health and treatment history for all individual gun purchasers with a live application in the NICS system.
Everyone in the GCs office (where I am) is preparing for an onslaught from RKBA activists (i.e. cancelling corporate memberships, threatening legal action, etc).
Robert Brown (currently on board of directors, founder of Soldier of Fortune) caught wind of it and is threatening to resign and start his own group.
Underling but more notable Exec VP – LaPierre – will not be at the press conference. Not sure why, as he’s the face of the NRA, but I havne’t heard a good answer.
Friday was chosen as the announcement date for obvious reasons: give the hardline RKBA activists some time to settle down, and lobbyists time to prep congress for Monday.
Acting NRA Pres Pete Brownell will announce the proposal of legislation with President Trump on Friday at a press conference, again – without LaPierre – and give Republicans all the credit for “reasonable steps forward.”
General summary: firearm ownership gets harder starting Friday.
 
Rumor Mill:

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2018/02/22/from-over-the-transom-nra-rumint/

“Advancement Leadership” is a big-dick division of the NRA, and has been working on this plan since before the FL shooting
Leadership has decided to introduce a bill to the house this coming Monday, after announcing on Friday, that completely overhauls two major federal regulatory structures:
1. Application review for ATF’s 4473 licensing procedure for firearms dealers, making it incredibly more comprehensive (and expensive, by about $3,400); and
2. Review procedures and accessibility for the FBI’s NICS background check system for individual gun purchasers.
Part of the bill actually calls for amending HIPAA, allowing the FBI to access health and treatment history for all individual gun purchasers with a live application in the NICS system.
Everyone in the GCs office (where I am) is preparing for an onslaught from RKBA activists (i.e. cancelling corporate memberships, threatening legal action, etc).
Robert Brown (currently on board of directors, founder of Soldier of Fortune) caught wind of it and is threatening to resign and start his own group.
Underling but more notable Exec VP – LaPierre – will not be at the press conference. Not sure why, as he’s the face of the NRA, but I havne’t heard a good answer.
Friday was chosen as the announcement date for obvious reasons: give the hardline RKBA activists some time to settle down, and lobbyists time to prep congress for Monday.
Acting NRA Pres Pete Brownell will announce the proposal of legislation with President Trump on Friday at a press conference, again – without LaPierre – and give Republicans all the credit for “reasonable steps forward.”
General summary: firearm ownership gets harder starting Friday.
i really wouldnt put too much bearing on anything that comes from 4Chan.....

although given their actions of late, i really wouldnt put some BS like that past the NRA
 
I believe we're overthinking the situation, and need to go back and reexamine the basic premise.

Extremist political factions, with many diverse motivations, want to rearrange the way America thinks and acts.

They seize the opportunities which charge impulsive individuals and groups, dictate the issue and its phrasing to get their messages to come out of the mouths of those least likely to do anything but mouth off about their current cause junky fix.

...And because controversy is so very good at selling advertising, the media gives it the sharp focus, long running attention to not fact, but political cant, in as many flavors as they can manage, because airtime must be paid for with advertising, and hot tempers are always an easy sell on the tube.

The way to resolve this is to do what they claim to be doing, resist. They want us to change, so don't; and make it clear to the airheads that their facts don't stand up to practically any scrutiny, and that more of the same will not be tolerated amicably.

Greg
 
Rumor Mill:

https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2018/02/22/from-over-the-transom-nra-rumint/

“Advancement Leadership” is a big-dick division of the NRA, and has been working on this plan since before the FL shooting
Leadership has decided to introduce a bill to the house this coming Monday, after announcing on Friday, that completely overhauls two major federal regulatory structures:
1. Application review for ATF’s 4473 licensing procedure for firearms dealers, making it incredibly more comprehensive (and expensive, by about $3,400); and
2. Review procedures and accessibility for the FBI’s NICS background check system for individual gun purchasers.
Part of the bill actually calls for amending HIPAA, allowing the FBI to access health and treatment history for all individual gun purchasers with a live application in the NICS system.
Everyone in the GCs office (where I am) is preparing for an onslaught from RKBA activists (i.e. cancelling corporate memberships, threatening legal action, etc).
Robert Brown (currently on board of directors, founder of Soldier of Fortune) caught wind of it and is threatening to resign and start his own group.
Underling but more notable Exec VP – LaPierre – will not be at the press conference. Not sure why, as he’s the face of the NRA, but I havne’t heard a good answer.
Friday was chosen as the announcement date for obvious reasons: give the hardline RKBA activists some time to settle down, and lobbyists time to prep congress for Monday.
Acting NRA Pres Pete Brownell will announce the proposal of legislation with President Trump on Friday at a press conference, again – without LaPierre – and give Republicans all the credit for “reasonable steps forward.”
General summary: firearm ownership gets harder starting Friday.

Thank you very much for posting that.
I was just about to send a couple hundred dollars over to the NRA and the NRA-ILA today after lunch.
So now I get to keep my money & wait, possibly give it to a couple other groups.
(Literally had my contributions in the outgoing mail box, pulling it out now).

The biggest thing for me is the stupid part 1 WHY on earth do they need to make it harder for FFLs and more expensive? That would do NOTHING to have stopped any previous actions by crazy people. The small FFLs trying to make a living do the same background checks as bigger corporate ones & often refuse people they are suspicious of at a greater rate than the big corporate box stores.

All that will do is greatly punish law abiding business owners, and destroy competition to let a few big corporations have a near complete stranglehold on our rights in some areas. Probably setting it up for gun control by back end deals with the few big stores remaining.

If the NRA goes full bore in supporting stupid useless regulations that just destroy small business & do nothing for our rights or to make anyone actually safer, they are going to have a much bigger problem on their hands.

The "big dicks" at the NRA may feel all important, but they best remember their "power" only comes because millions of gun owners back them with both money & votes. They could just as easily loose it all, just like the Republicans will if they forget who put them on their pedestals.

Now I have some great talking points next time they call asking for money.