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Hey man there’s so many douche bags doing nothing that my tax dollars are paying for that I didn’t know if there was someone better to contact about form 4 shit then the other. So ya I was serious.
i contacted my congresswoman because she serves just my district and not the whole state like a senator. will it work? that is still an unknown at this point but it was my logic.
Now, this is just my opinion....but I don't think it matters. What does matter is some 20-something staffer with constituent services portfolio is sharp and willing to send an email to the ATF legislative liaison with an inquiry...and I believe our experience, as shared here in this thread, is yes...they will.
Take it for what its worth...I'm sure your congresswoman's staff will respond.
here’s the thing, i called and was promised a call within 48hrs. that didn’t happen. so after a week i called back, i was not a happy camper. i made that fact known to her. after that she was very gracious and accommodating. she sent me electronic paperwork that i sent back to her quickly. then she called me back within an hour after receiving my forms and said she had already sent the inquiry to the ATF. now, did she do what she claimed? i have no way of verifying, i will just have to take her word as truth. she also said she would contact me after the reply from ATF. her experience was that they usually reply within a week. if true, i may get a call from her this week. this is the first time i have contacted my rep, so i don’t know if this is normal or not. so far, so good though.
FYI there apparently was just a post on Reddit that the AFT is going to be focusing on the backlog of paper form 4s. Allegedly.
So I called my ffl and they said they submitted everything g December 9, 2021 and I’d have to call ATF to make sure everything is going through. I just called them and waited on hold for about 3 minutes for a woman to answer. She asked my name and serial number and the ffl dealer who submitted the form 4. She then was able to tell me they received everything g in December 15th and payment cleared at that time and my status is pending.
At least now I know it’s all just a matter of time and nothing out of the ordinary for me. Hopefully in a few months I’ll have my KGM R30. I can not wait to shoot it on a 300 win mag gas gun I have.
At least now I know it’s all just a matter of time and nothing out of the ordinary for me. Hopefully in a few months I’ll have my KGM R30. I can not wait to shoot it on a 300 win mag gas gun I have.
Just got the text from shop my stamp is ready I believe my wait on paper form was 1 year and 19 days or so.
First suppressor and can't wait only bad thing is shop is 1 hour or so drive so gotta find time to go get between work and life
First suppressor and can't wait only bad thing is shop is 1 hour or so drive so gotta find time to go get between work and life
Document your zero before the suppressor, then shoot them and see what your shift is. Groups on mine dont change much suppressed or not, but the POI does.
I have a Saker right now and Nomad in jail (so don't know the shift with it yet).
I would like to make this suggestion, actually implore all of you that are going to reach out to your congressman to assist in your approvals.
1) Ask that your congressional rep specifically ask for batch approvals whether paper or eform of all your pending submissions (if you have more than one) and make it easy for the rep, by providing the serial number, manufacturer and model name, trust name (if applicable) of ALL submissions and ask the representative to copy and paste those details into their email to ATF.
2) Ask politely for a copy of the email your congressional representative sends to ATF, maybe they won’t, but it won’t hurt to ask, so that you can see that they put in their letter that they‘ve asked for batch approvals and to include in the letter for the ATF to adopt batch approvals on all submissions going forward.
Batch approvals stop the repetitive background checks at later times of the same applicant allowing the examiners to more efficiently move through the backlog.
Yes, some of you have received batch approvals, but it is random and that needs to happen every time whether paper or eform. How much longer does it take to approve and email five stamps vs one when the background check is good? Not long.
The more congressional reps that sends letters for batch approval adoption on all applicable submissions the better.
When you call into NFA and ask for status, also ask that they pass along that you want to see NFA adopt batch approvals, even if you only have one can in submission, because it will speed up approvals for everyone.
1) Ask that your congressional rep specifically ask for batch approvals whether paper or eform of all your pending submissions (if you have more than one) and make it easy for the rep, by providing the serial number, manufacturer and model name, trust name (if applicable) of ALL submissions and ask the representative to copy and paste those details into their email to ATF.
2) Ask politely for a copy of the email your congressional representative sends to ATF, maybe they won’t, but it won’t hurt to ask, so that you can see that they put in their letter that they‘ve asked for batch approvals and to include in the letter for the ATF to adopt batch approvals on all submissions going forward.
Batch approvals stop the repetitive background checks at later times of the same applicant allowing the examiners to more efficiently move through the backlog.
Yes, some of you have received batch approvals, but it is random and that needs to happen every time whether paper or eform. How much longer does it take to approve and email five stamps vs one when the background check is good? Not long.
The more congressional reps that sends letters for batch approval adoption on all applicable submissions the better.
When you call into NFA and ask for status, also ask that they pass along that you want to see NFA adopt batch approvals, even if you only have one can in submission, because it will speed up approvals for everyone.
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We actually agree on something... I personally believe suppressors should not be regulated, and the NFA should be abolished, but at the same time I understand that for now, any baby steps moving forward towards progress of speeding things up, is better than stagnancy, or regression like we're experiencing now, with the 90 day claims, then 100 day claims, but reality is 150+ days, and getting worse every single day.
I've been saying for a long time that the fact they do no do batch approvals is BS. Especially now that they have eForms, where everything is 100% electronic, and probably filed under our names alphabetically. I've never seen their software, but I'm assuming it is similar to the Silencer Shop Dashboard where it shows our submissions and shows a list of Forms under our names and shows "Pending" or "Approved" status beside them. That would only make sense. How much harder is it to open up the other documents after doing a BGC on the first one, and then selecting approvals for all the other "open/pending" eForms? Not only would it make all of us happy, it would make life SO MUCH easier for them, and, like you said, would actually quickly eliminate a large portion of the backlog of both paper and eForms.
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Long NFA times are a catch 22. If they become 15 minute turn arounds it's easier for the government to slip every single firearm & accessory into the NFA. Triggers, magazines, scope mounts, stocks, uppers etc. By being absurdly long it would raise more backlash if they attempt to do this now.
Personally I'd rather have long wait times or abolish the system.
Personally I'd rather have long wait times or abolish the system.
They're already trying to do this with HB 1808... The "Assault Weapons Ban of 2022" bullshit. They want to make any and every gun part an NFA item and banned from regular purchase by average citizens.
Look at the attached below and you can see the ”6 day“ approval. How is that so? Someone getting lucky? Maybe, but I am doubtful. How about the guy had six cans in submission and say from longest to shortest they were: 166, 137, 135, 104, 53 and 6 days. The examiner picks up the file for the 166 day can and sees the other five as well with the shortest at 6 days and batch approves them all. An outsider looks and thinks how could someone be so lucky and be approved in six days? The reality is the can in the system for 166 days made the six day approval possible.
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When I first saw that, I figured that was either the case, or it was a LE/MIL expedition with a notorized letter from their CO about quickly-upcoming orders, thus expediting the process.
You could be right that it was a special circumstance for expedited approval, but I believe those can even be approved in even fewer days. Perhaps Silencer Shop’s statistics only include general public numbers with the above you mention excluded. Otherwise, you would see that 6 day number maybe as low as 2 days.
No I'm serious. I got 4 cans in line for approval. I hope the wait time gets longer so more lawsuits get started saying the NFA needs to go.
If NFA times get short contentment sets in. We will be stuck with it because it is "just a minor inconvenience"
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How long should someone wait to get these magic “NFA needs to go” lawsuits going?
I called this morning, and was pleasantly surprised the phone line started ringing instantly. A lady answered within two rings and asked for my info.
Pending 7/29/21
APPROVED 8/18/22
I will be eForming for now on.
Pending 7/29/21
APPROVED 8/18/22
I will be eForming for now on.
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Listen, coffee isn't as strong as I want it today. 
Your tax dollars at work...
Omega 45K
Paper Form 4 Individual
Check cashed Aug 11 2021
Approved Aug 12, 2022
In Hand Aug 22, 2022
Paper Form 4 Individual
Check cashed Aug 11 2021
Approved Aug 12, 2022
In Hand Aug 22, 2022
I called my shop yesterday to ask if they had a certain suppressor in stock that I want, and he told me that their eform turnaround is about 90 days right now. This seems astonishingly short to me, but they do a ton of class 3 business so I would expect them to know what they're talking about.
They don't know.
It's about 160 days and getting longer. That's the average posted by both silencer shop and silencer central, and between them, they are probably selling 70% of the suppressors being sold in this country right now.
It's about 160 days and getting longer. That's the average posted by both silencer shop and silencer central, and between them, they are probably selling 70% of the suppressors being sold in this country right now.
It really is is shocking that a BC to actually walk out of a store with the device that sends lead down range and has all the power is a 30 second phone call. Which is what it should be! But then a suppressor that only makes it quite enough to shoot without ear pro but it’s still loud enough that you should probably still use ear pro is a 180-500 day BC with prints, photos, your first born child etc is so ass backwards is unbelievable.
Ridiculous. I’m at 12 months on my last individual paper form
Stamp finally came into the shop today. 404 days from paperwork being mailed to the stamp coming in.
157 days into a SS eform 4.
New eform 4 submitted today on a Wolfman via non-SS dealer. Batch approval here we come!
New eform 4 submitted today on a Wolfman via non-SS dealer. Batch approval here we come!
Not technically, no. But there are plenty of examples of people in this thread getting them.
8 days in. Should I start calling? Lol!
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