Suppressors Form 4 wait time

[hollowoutadime]

Question to all.

I have a friend living in NC. Cans are legal there. He might be moving to WA (also legal) in 4 months. He wants his first can. (puss, I know)
If he buys one today, and expected approval is ~10 months, is there an issue that he will be a WA resident when the approval is granted? Going to assume that he gets a WA driver's license at move time.

 

[Ucsdryder]

Tagging in

 

[PropWash]

Question to all.

I have a friend living in NC. Cans are legal there. He might be moving to WA (also legal) in 4 months. He wants his first can. (puss, I know)
If he buys one today, and expected approval is ~10 months, is there an issue that he will be a WA resident when the approval is granted? Going to assume that he gets a WA driver's license at move time.

Your friend will need to live in the state that he takes possession of the can in. So if he is moving to WA, he needs to wait until he has moved there as there is no way he will be approved in the four months prior to moving. However, if he is military with PCS orders then submitting those orders to ATF will get him approved, usually in less than a week.

 

[soundstop2000]

According to:

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It looks like we're up to control # 2022537xxx

I have one slightly blow that control number and I am still waiting.

 

[Pickle Rick]

I just got my approved last week. 285 days e-form

 

[dzeke]

Eform SS Trust
5/28/22 Certified
3/1/23 Approved
2022531xxx

 

[gopherslayer]

Submitted 6/1 approved today 3/1. Hopefully the second one that was submitted at the same time happens in the next couple of days so I can pick them up at the same time.

 

[Lazyfaire]

Submitted 6/1 approved today 3/1. Hopefully the second one that was submitted at the same time happens in the next couple of days so I can pick them up at the same time.

If you don’t go in to pick up the first the 2nd one will NEVER come in. Go in today to pick up the 1st and the 2nd one will come in tomorrow! (One of Murphy’s rules I think)

 

[gopherslayer]

If you don’t go in to pick up the first the 2nd one will NEVER come in. Go in today to pick up the 1st and the 2nd one will come in tomorrow! (One of Murphy’s rules I think)

That is a true story. Never fails. Picked up part of my venison processing and 3 days later they call me to pick up the other half.

 

[PGreen]

eFile Individual
Submitted 6/6/22
Approved 3/1/23
Control No 20225474xx

 

[IWillNotComply]

My 6/2 pending was approved on Monday . 270 days on the dot.

.... Abolish the ATF

 

[hollowoutadime]

So waiting on 2022573xx........

 

[sam4886]

Didn't expect the early June ones quite this soon. I've got a 6/6 I'm waiting on that's only 1k control numbers away from PGreen's. Figured it would be another couple weeks but maybe I'll get a nice surprise.

 

[archangel485]

Does it seem like the increase in approval times is leveling off? Or am I just being hopeful? haha.

 

[Lazyfaire]

Buy another suppressor and test your theory.

Watching.



lol

 

[NHPiper]

Buy another suppressor and test your theory.

Watching.



lol

I am filing my form4 in the next day or two, so will let you know if it shortens….hahaha

 

[Taylorkdt]

cashed 6-2-22
approved 3-2-23

 

[Lazyfaire]

I am filing my form4 in the next day or two, so will let you know if it shortens….hahaha

Lol

cashed 6-2-22
approved 3-2-23

9 months on the button

 

[nikonNUT]

cashed 6-2-22

I'm 6/10/22 cashed. Now I have hope!

 

[greg1147]

Submission Date: 06/07/2022
Approved Date: 03/02/2023
Today 13:44
20225520xx
Picked it up at 15:35
RC2

 

[Nbleak21]

Woohoo!

I got my first (of five) cleared.
Apparently, they still are not performing batch approvals because all five of mine were certified same date thanks to one of several SS errors that didn't get cleared in a timely manner.

Anyways, the good stuff:

Submission Date: 06/08/2022
Approved Date: 03/02/2023
Control Number: 20225535XX
Can: CGS Hydra SS
Wait: 267 Days

...Now I just need a host. I'm Thinking something along the lines of a Ruger Mark IV Target or Tactical... Decisions, decisions...

 

[LeftyJason]

Woohoo!

I got my first (of five) cleared.
Apparently, they still are not performing batch approvals because all five of mine were certified same date thanks to one of several SS errors that didn't get cleared in a timely manner.

Anyways, the good stuff:

Submission Date: 06/08/2022
Approved Date: 03/02/2023
Control Number: 20225535XX
Can: CGS Hydra SS
Wait: 267 Days

...Now I just need a host. I'm Thinking something along the lines of a Ruger Mark IV Target or Tactical... Decisions, decisions...

Sig 322 isn't bad. 20+1 of 22lr.

 

[hollowoutadime]

...Now I just need a host. I'm Thinking something along the lines of a Ruger Mark IV Target or Tactical... Decisions, decisions...

I have a pair of Mark IV Lites w/sparrows. Son-in-law has the same setup. We shoot comps at my range. Great gun to consider.
Nice to see the control numbers rising.

 

[Charger442]

I have a pair of Mark IV Lites w/sparrows. Son-in-law has the same setup. We shoot comps at my range. Great gun to consider.
Nice to see the control numbers rising.

Based upon my calcs earlier this week and control numbers approved yesterday, looks like they are getting through about 5400 control numbers a day.

Looking at me personally, that would bring review time to around 260-264 days now

 

[longtines]

I submitted three form 4's together with a trust (the same trust). I got one of them approved yesterday, but the other two have not shown up yet.

Permit/Control No: 20225448XX
Submission Date: 06-03-22
Approved Date: 03-02-23
Days: 273

 

[jwhjwh54]

Still waiting on a 5/31 cert

 

[longtines]

Number 2 of 3 showed up today:

Permit/Control No: 20225457XX
Submission Date: 06-03-22
Aprroved Date: 03/04/2023
Days: 275

 

[sandhiller]

Woohoo!

I got my first (of five) cleared.
Apparently, they still are not performing batch approvals because all five of mine were certified same date thanks to one of several SS errors that didn't get cleared in a timely manner.

Anyways, the good stuff:

Submission Date: 06/08/2022
Approved Date: 03/02/2023
Control Number: 20225535XX
Can: CGS Hydra SS
Wait: 267 Days

...Now I just need a host. I'm Thinking something along the lines of a Ruger Mark IV Target or Tactical... Decisions, decisions...

The little Walther makes a nice host IMHO.

 

[Ape_Factory]

Submitted on 5/25/22, approved 3/4/23. Took a bit longer than the last one purchased 10 days prior.

 

[soundstop2000]

Eform
Submitted 06/03/22
Approved 03/05/23

 

[Soothing]

Hopefully they speed this process up a bit I bought my first suppressor last year and was promised by silencer central 90 day wait times I guess well see probably 2 more months.

eform 4
Submitted 07/25/22

 

[Lazyfaire]

Mine was dated 7/18/22

Thinking mid April

 

[Soothing]

seems like there sticking to 275 day approvals and under hopefully they get caught up on paper forms to where they wanna be at and just shoot through a bunch of eforms. Only one can hope I guess.

 

[Lazyfaire]

seems like there sticking to 275 day approvals and under hopefully they get caught up on paper forms to where they wanna be at and just shoot through a bunch of eforms. Only one can hope I guess.

They’re gonna have to prove it to me that they can do it first. One can hope but high hopes? Nah!

 

[Fmilby]

Love seeing the control numbers .. it’s like watching water boil

 

[Soothing]

Love seeing the control numbers .. it’s like watching water boil

Where do you find the control number, I ordered from silencer central and they never emailed me anything and they don’t show any control number on the account section of the site only email I get is every 2 months them saying the atf is still working towards my application.

 

[Fmilby]

Where do you find the control number, I ordered from silencer central and they never emailed me anything and they don’t show any control number on the account section of the site only email I get is every 2 months them saying the atf is still working towards my application.

My email came from something like [email protected]

 

[gopherslayer]

6/1 approved 3/6.

 

[Soothing]

My email came from something like [email protected]

Thanks I filtered my email and found it
So my submission was 7/25/22
Control#20226542xx

 

[Fmilby]

Thanks I filtered my email and found it
So my submission was 7/25/22
Control#20226542xx

Mine was 8/22 and the number is 2022710000

 

[southernpew]

9/26 - 2002788xxx
After the FFL didn't attach my fingerprints. Resubmitted a month later

 

[Ucsdryder]

Based on the fact that everybody is getting theirs right around that 270-275 day mark, it makes me think that is intentional. If it was truly based off demand, I think we would see that number changing but it seems to be about the same for the last few months.

 

[PropWash]

Here’s something that has never happened a true eform batch approval of 20 cans! This occurred yesterday, March 6th, longest wait in the group is 262 days down to 12 days. It has been verified by the moderator of the subreddit. Very detailed post with no special circumstances. Simply incredible… (See attachment at the bottom of this post).

 

[PropWash]

Oh, and all 20 individual stamp emails were received in just under two hours or on average, one approval every six minutes. Stunning.

 

[PropWash]

Nothing more to add, just wanted to be the 10,000th post!

 

[Charger442]

Oh, and all 20 individual stamp emails were received in just under two hours or on average, one approval every six minutes. Stunning.

This batch approval is what I've been waiting for from the beginning and have complained to my congressman and senator about for a 9 months now.

In an electronic system, there's no way this SHOULDN'T be the case everytime.

Your turn comes in the wait list, your background check comes through and gets applied to all of your pending forms and they get approved.

Hopefully this is the case for everyone going forward

 

[PropWash]

Hopefully this is the case for everyone going forward

I hope that you are right, but I think it could be more related to the unusually high number of NFA items in the system for this person. Is it setup to flag a certain number of pending items over 8, 10 or 15 and then they are all brought to the attention of a single examiner for batch approval? Perhaps so.

If you go to that subreddit thread, the person approved mentions it could be about an “audit from the ATF,” that he seems to indicate could occur from this group of approvals and that he is familiar with some of the agents and “knows them by name” as he had encounters with them in the past. So, he’s approved now for 20 NFA items and from what I read in the thread, it seems he has many other NFA items. Maybe ATF pays a visit to persons approved of a high number of NFA items in a short period of time. The guy mentions he is in Houston.

What is for sure is the whole process is opaque.

 

[Bluedog82]

I hope that you are right, but I think it could be more related to the unusually high number of NFA items in the system for this person. Is it setup to flag a certain number of pending items over 8, 10 or 15 and then they are all brought to the attention of a single examiner for batch approval? Perhaps so.

If you go to that subreddit thread, the person approved mentions it could be about an “audit from the ATF,” that he seems to indicate could occur from this group of approvals and that he is familiar with some of the agents and “knows them by name” as he had encounters with them in the past. So, he’s approved now for 20 NFA items and from what I read in the thread, it seems he has many other NFA items. Maybe ATF pays a visit to persons approved of a high number of NFA items in a short period of time. The guy mentions he is in Houston.

What is for sure is the whole process is opaque.

It definitely seems like it could be a unique situation (hopefully not) as that guy has $4000 in just stamps, probably tens of thousands more in the items themselves.

 

[Charger442]

I hope that you are right, but I think it could be more related to the unusually high number of NFA items in the system for this person. Is it setup to flag a certain number of pending items over 8, 10 or 15 and then they are all brought to the attention of a single examiner for batch approval? Perhaps so.

If you go to that subreddit thread, the person approved mentions it could be about an “audit from the ATF,” that he seems to indicate could occur from this group of approvals and that he is familiar with some of the agents and “knows them by name” as he had encounters with them in the past. So, he’s approved now for 20 NFA items and from what I read in the thread, it seems he has many other NFA items. Maybe ATF pays a visit to persons approved of a high number of NFA items in a short period of time. The guy mentions he is in Houston.

What is for sure is the whole process is opaque.

if the guy is on their radar, knows agents by name, why would they approve his stuff to go "audit" him.

Hes a private citizen and not an FFL/SOT or he wouldnt be in the form 4 game.

if the ATF wants a piece of him, they would flag his form 4s for a hold or deny outright, then go knock on his door.

approving them all and then go knock on his door makes no sense at all.

 

[PropWash]

if the guy is on their radar, knows agents by name, why would they approve his stuff to go "audit" him.

Hes a private citizen and not an FFL/SOT or he wouldnt be in the form 4 game.

if the ATF wants a piece of him, they would flag his form 4s for a hold or deny outright, then go knock on his door.

approving them all and then go knock on his door makes no sense at all.

Are you aware that if you buy two or more handguns within seven days, that triggers the requirement the FFL licensee must send a copy of the transaction to the ATF and local law enforcement? Perhaps, if someone would buy 10 handguns in seven days they might decide to pay that person a visit as a precaution to get a read on that person.

I don’t think the issue would be that he is on the ATF radar because he has done something wrong, but rather buying 20 NFA items is something unusual and an outlier. If he had done something wrong, he wouldn’t be buying firearms, much less NFA items. ATF may have protocols that when something like this happens they go visit the individual to get a feel for the person.

The only other thing that comes to mind is maybe he does indeed have an FFL/SOT, but these 20 items are obviously for him personally. Maybe the guy is rich and at times he buys a high number of NFA items like this and the ATF decided in the past to pay the guy a visit and audit his FFL/SOT business while there. If an audit happened in the past due to an unusual circumstance such as at present, it would explain why he is inclined to think it might happen again.