Suppressors Form 4 wait time

#2,713
Hold on gentlemen. Please realize this is only for Form 1 dealer to dealer transfers. This is not for the Form 4 (ATF FORM 5320.4) transfer to individuals, trusts or corporations. All of us non-FFL SOT Class 3 license holders still have to mail it in like normal.

If I am wrong, please someone provide me with a link to ATF to complete the eform. Searching the terms "eforms" only brought up Form 6 and 4473 transfers. In fact, hell, I hope I am wrong.
 
#2,715
My dealer e-filed some Form-4's for me on 03 November. Got email confirmations of each $200 "e-payment", too.

Required PDF scans of the trust, compliance cert, form-4 faces, and the wet-signature back-side as the trustee...
 
#2,716
NevadaZielmeister said:
Hold on gentlemen. Please realize this is only for Form 1 dealer to dealer transfers. This is not for the Form 4 (ATF FORM 5320.4) transfer to individuals, trusts or corporations. All of us non-FFL SOT Class 3 license holders still have to mail it in like normal.

If I am wrong, please someone provide me with a link to ATF to complete the eform. Searching the terms "eforms" only brought up Form 6 and 4473 transfers. In fact, hell, I hope I am wrong.
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Form 1 is for an individual/trust/corp to "make" an SBR, SBS or suppressor. A form 3 is the dealer to dealer transfer of which you speak, which can be efiled as well. I just had one (form 3) efiled back in Sept and it took 14 days for approval.
 
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Snake-Eyes said:
Required PDF scans of the trust, compliance cert, form-4 faces, and the wet-signature back-side as the trustee...
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Was this for a silencer? ATF eForms Bulletin 9-17-13 states "Transferee Certification: For Form 4, if the firearm is a machinegun, short barreled rifle, short barreled shotgun, or destructive device, item 15 of Form 4 must be completed by the transferee. This cannot be completed in the eForms system so the certificate must be completed on a hard copy and submitted as an electronic document. We suggest that the FFL have paper copies of Form 4 on hand so that the transferee can complete item 15."

Regarding compliance certification, it states "When the maker or transferee is a legal entity, Form 5330.20 (generally known as the non-immigrant alien certification) is not required."
 
#2,719
farmerted said:
Was this for a silencer? ATF eForms Bulletin 9-17-13 states "Transferee Certification: For Form 4, if the firearm is a machinegun, short barreled rifle, short barreled shotgun, or destructive device, item 15 of Form 4 must be completed by the transferee. This cannot be completed in the eForms system so the certificate must be completed on a hard copy and submitted as an electronic document. We suggest that the FFL have paper copies of Form 4 on hand so that the transferee can complete item 15."

Regarding compliance certification, it states "When the maker or transferee is a legal entity, Form 5330.20 (generally known as the non-immigrant alien certification) is not required."
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Yes, for suppressors.

I've always signed a Cert of Compliance, and I've always signed Item 15. I just didn't want to change what's "worked so far" for the e-filing.
With all of the new people "validating" paperwork and sending stuff back for weird 'omissions' and errors, I didn't want to give a reason.

I'll pass the info to my dealer. Thanks.
 
#2,721
Spoke with Dave at silencershop this morning and he said the atf only approved eforms for a couple weeks to test the system out then were told not to expect anymore fast approvals. Which means the two form ones I filed beginning of October probably wont be approved til later on. Bummer.
 
#2,723
1slow01z71 said:
Spoke with Dave at silencershop this morning and he said the atf only approved eforms for a couple weeks to test the system out then were told not to expect anymore fast approvals. Which means the two form ones I filed beginning of October probably wont be approved til later on. Bummer.
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Good. people filing their forms in September and October don't need to be jumping ahead of the rest of us who have items in the system from January and February.
 
#2,725
NFA is not providing updated status information. I phoned today to check on a Form 4 that was 2nd pending in mid August. All they would say today is that it was assigned to an examiner in April and should be out in January. When I specifically asked about activity since April, "That's all I have."
 
#2,727
Let the waiting game begin. Like to fool myself into believing that eFiling will speed things up, but not holding my breath.

Suppressor
Form 4 Texas Trust
eFiled: November 14th, 2013
Check "cashed": ?
Pending: ?
Approved Nov: ?
Stamp Received: ?
 
#2,730
1slow01z71 said:
Spoke with Dave at silencershop this morning and he said the atf only approved eforms for a couple weeks to test the system out then were told not to expect anymore fast approvals. Which means the two form ones I filed beginning of October probably wont be approved til later on. Bummer.
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I know this has been beaten into the ground, but If they can process/approve these quickly why don't they continue to? Just kills me. This is something the government does that actually generates revenue. Thank you for entertaining my rant - I feel better. No need to respond ;)
 
#2,738
There are sveral more on the tracker that were efiled and approved in just a couple months. Some very recent, so more than just a trial to see how it goes on a few. Either way its bullshit since mine has been pending for 8 months now.
 
#2,739
JSTARSZ said:
When you add in the time for the check to be cashed and the wait time between that and pending date it is close to 12 months.


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My class 3 dealer told me the ATF tends to cash the checks they get pretty quick, usually inside one week.... then takes 6+ months to process the paperwork it came with. I have yet to send my check so don't quote me on that but I don't see why he would make it up. Having said that, the wait optimistically has been around 8 months for most of his orders. I'm just hoping for next summer..
 
#2,740
Crapshot said:
My class 3 dealer told me the ATF tends to cash the checks they get pretty quick, usually inside one week.... then takes 6+ months to process the paperwork it came with. I have yet to send my check so don't quote me on that but I don't see why he would make it up. Having said that, the wait optimistically has been around 8 months for most of his orders. I'm just hoping for next summer..
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Yes they cash quick with in a week and then you wait for pending status which used to be just a couple weeks and now can be months. My Last Form 4 that I submitted in Feb 13 didn't hit pending status until April 13 and I am still waiting for approval. When you add on a Form 3 to 3 transfer it will add another 6-10 weeks to transfer. My last dealer to Dealer took 3 1/2 months which I hope is getting better. The suppressor that I am talking about actually started the process in Oct 2012 with a dealer to Dealer and then to my Form 4. My overall time will be 14 months.


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#2,743
Snake-Eyes said:
My dealer e-filed some Form-4's for me on 03 November. Got email confirmations of each $200 "e-payment", too.

Required PDF scans of the trust, compliance cert, form-4 faces, and the wet-signature back-side as the trustee...
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My Class III dealer did the same thing (Form 4 - Trust), and my payment was charged with 24 hours. The next day, he sent me a .pdf file that he received back, with a "Submitted" waterstamp across the first page of the document. So it looks like you can indeed do Form 4s via E-file.

Update: Some of the posts here had me worried so I called ATF and got a status update. My form 4 was indeed in the system, and went Pending the day my Class 3 dealer and I entered it online. They said I should get the stamp 9-10 months from the Pending date.
 
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Charger442 said:
Good. people filing their forms in September and October don't need to be jumping ahead of the rest of us who have items in the system from January and February.
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shaggy_dog said:
There are sveral more on the tracker that were efiled and approved in just a couple months. Some very recent, so more than just a trial to see how it goes on a few. Either way its bullshit since mine has been pending for 8 months now.
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They (NFA Branch) is implementing a new system which speeds up the approval time. If it works, it will be the new standard to which we expect these approvals to come through. Just because a small percentage of applicants will get screwed in the waiting game because they were some of the last to submit hard copies doesn't mean that "its bullshit". What do you guys think should happen??? Should they hold off on implementing the new system until you get your forms??? This would backlog the new system before it even began turning out approvals. Stop crying and move on with life. You can always cancel your hard copy and get a refund on the $200 check you sent in and then file electronically if you think that will work better. And yes, I have both a hard copy waiting as well as an eform so just buy another toy and forget about them all until some exciting mail arrives.
 
#2,746
The Zebra said:
They (NFA Branch) is implementing a new system which speeds up the approval time. If it works, it will be the new standard to which we expect these approvals to come through. Just because a small percentage of applicants will get screwed in the waiting game because they were some of the last to submit hard copies doesn't mean that "its bullshit". What do you guys think should happen??? Should they hold off on implementing the new system until you get your forms??? This would backlog the new system before it even began turning out approvals. Stop crying and move on with life. You can always cancel your hard copy and get a refund on the $200 check you sent in and then file electronically if you think that will work better. And yes, I have both a hard copy waiting as well as an eform so just buy another toy and forget about them all until some exciting mail arrives.
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You make a very good point however I don't think it is a very small percentage. I also have very little faith that anything the government does could run that smooth for long, I give it 6 months and the e-filed formed are backed up a year plus also. I also don't understand how it can knock nine months off the process. Sure the forms get there faster and the stamp gets returned faster but the paperwork still has to be looked over by the examiner. I could understand this speeding it up by a couple weeks but not 9-10 months. If it stays this way great! The bullshit is there is no reason either process should take more than a couple months.
 
#2,747
I just talked to NFA about my Form 4...they indicated 9 months from receipt to approval. They received my paperwork March 25, 2013 and said I should have it back near the end of December. Form 4 went pending on May 25, 2013.
 
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hondo1312 said:
I just talked to NFA about my Form 4...they indicated 9 months from receipt to approval. They received my paperwork March 25, 2013 and said I should have it back near the end of December. Form 4 went pending on May 25, 2013.
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Thanks for the update! My own Form 4 went pending May 22nd so I'm hoping mine will arrive somewhere around the same time.
 
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