It is depressing.. my first can was a tbac .30 ultra 7 and from the time the check cleared to stamp in hand was right at 6 months. I now have a sico saker in jail right now and has only been with the atf for about 3 months... sucks thinking that it will be with them 6-8 more months.
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So is it just luck of the draw on when your payment is processed? I see several people who have their check cashed a month or 2 after they submitted, but mine was cashed within a week.
In my observations, check cashing time has been pretty consistent for the most part once the paperwork has actually been put in the mail.
Where I believe the delay/discrepancy is occurring is when we are told the forms have been completed (paperwork, pictures, fingerprints all pulled together and ready to go) vs. when they are actually sent to the ATF by those responsible for forwarding the tax stamp fee and handling the submission.
After that, who the hell knows what the delay is, but the government bank agent is relatively efficient in taking your money. LOL, it's the most efficient operation in the entire process!
Where I believe the delay/discrepancy is occurring is when we are told the forms have been completed (paperwork, pictures, fingerprints all pulled together and ready to go) vs. when they are actually sent to the ATF by those responsible for forwarding the tax stamp fee and handling the submission.
After that, who the hell knows what the delay is, but the government bank agent is relatively efficient in taking your money. LOL, it's the most efficient operation in the entire process!
There is a bill in the house H.R 5103 that raises the transfer to 500$ also the atf uses a public bank to cash the checks. I forgot which one they just switched to recently. US bank I think?
That bill ought to get shot down real quick. If it doesn't then some pro-gun Republican should introduce a poison pill amendment which puts the background check into NICS.
In other words, if they want to charge us $500 then the suppressor goes through NICS.
If we don't get denied, then we can pick it up in 3 days.
H.R.5103 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Gun Violence Prevention and Safe Communities Act of 2018
Summary of H.R.5103 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Gun Violence Prevention and Safe Communities Act of 2018
www.congress.gov
But yes, the recent change of banks is probably the reason why checks are being cashed more slowly than normal.
Ah I looked at the wrong date. Was reading the budget proposal for the NFA division for this year and thought it was part of the same article.You talking about this? That was last years Congress, there is no hr5103 in the 116th Congress. Also, 116th Congress is the first session so that bill died in the 115th session. (Bills only get carried for two sessions then they die)H.R.5103 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Gun Violence Prevention and Safe Communities Act of 2018
Summary of H.R.5103 - 115th Congress (2017-2018): Gun Violence Prevention and Safe Communities Act of 2018www.congress.gov
But yes, the recent change of banks is probably the reason why checks are being cashed more slowly than normal.
Signed form 4 Trust Docs 1/3/2018
Submitted to the NFA 1/10/2018
Check Cashed by NFA 1/30/2018
Submitted to FBI 3/30/2018 (really? 60 days to forward to the FBI?)
Contacted NFA on 12/24/2018 about FBI Status
Contacted Congressman 1/3/2019 with correct snail mail forms to expedite FBI approval
Out of FBI (approved) back to NFA 1/15
Assigned to specific NFA person/inspector 2/13/2019 (really? one month to assign to an inspector)
Call/Emails to inspectors supervisor (after 5 voice mails-to inspector that were NOT returned)
Call back AND Email from Inspector on 2/25/2019
Email to Congressman (staff) on 2/28/2019
Approved on 3/3/2019 (yup approved and notified via email by the inspector on a Sunday)
Stamp in hand 3/12/2019
I just got sick and tired of the wait (and my dealer) and basically did a lot of research on how the system 'works'. It will help if you have a NRA 'friendly' congressman. My congressman got over $150,000 from the NRA in the last election...so, his staff really helped!
First you (as the tax payer and consumer ) have some options. Or, you can take the waiting period "as is'. It is up to you. If you would like me to walk thought what you have as options/actions I will be more than happy to supply a long post on how to cut the waiting time by being an informed and very polite active party in this entire process.
From the date I took it upon myself to follow up on my application (12/24/2108) to approval (3/3/2019) even with the shut down was less than 90 days. I have the phone calls, emails and documents to prove you as the individual/consumer, can make the system work a little bit better for you. Can anyone complete the process (start to finish) in 90 days...I think not. But, it will not be 300 days if you take an active roll in the process.
As far as the people working at the NFA, after working 'with' them I really think that on the whole they are well intentioned, That being said, the system (i use the term very loosely) in place is totally broken. No first in/first out, everything done with 'batch systems, and no feed back (unless you know the correct questions to ask).
To All:
Let me know if you want all the gory details...It will be a long post!
Submitted to the NFA 1/10/2018
Check Cashed by NFA 1/30/2018
Submitted to FBI 3/30/2018 (really? 60 days to forward to the FBI?)
Contacted NFA on 12/24/2018 about FBI Status
Contacted Congressman 1/3/2019 with correct snail mail forms to expedite FBI approval
Out of FBI (approved) back to NFA 1/15
Assigned to specific NFA person/inspector 2/13/2019 (really? one month to assign to an inspector)
Call/Emails to inspectors supervisor (after 5 voice mails-to inspector that were NOT returned)
Call back AND Email from Inspector on 2/25/2019
Email to Congressman (staff) on 2/28/2019
Approved on 3/3/2019 (yup approved and notified via email by the inspector on a Sunday)
Stamp in hand 3/12/2019
I just got sick and tired of the wait (and my dealer) and basically did a lot of research on how the system 'works'. It will help if you have a NRA 'friendly' congressman. My congressman got over $150,000 from the NRA in the last election...so, his staff really helped!
First you (as the tax payer and consumer ) have some options. Or, you can take the waiting period "as is'. It is up to you. If you would like me to walk thought what you have as options/actions I will be more than happy to supply a long post on how to cut the waiting time by being an informed and very polite active party in this entire process.
From the date I took it upon myself to follow up on my application (12/24/2108) to approval (3/3/2019) even with the shut down was less than 90 days. I have the phone calls, emails and documents to prove you as the individual/consumer, can make the system work a little bit better for you. Can anyone complete the process (start to finish) in 90 days...I think not. But, it will not be 300 days if you take an active roll in the process.
As far as the people working at the NFA, after working 'with' them I really think that on the whole they are well intentioned, That being said, the system (i use the term very loosely) in place is totally broken. No first in/first out, everything done with 'batch systems, and no feed back (unless you know the correct questions to ask).
To All:
Let me know if you want all the gory details...It will be a long post!
I think you should maybe start a new thread and walk through your process and then we can get it stickeyed. Would be very informative to everyone.
That’s $320 Million per year for submissions
$876,000 per day
$33,600 per examiner per day
This isn’t a cost issue and I can only imagine the speed and efficiency they could do with healthcare.
Fire up another thread and give us the details please
This! Please!
A detailed stand-alone thread would be a huge contribution to this niche of the community. The whole approval process is obscured in myth and conjecture. Having some documentation and a relavent timeline of how the sausage is made would shine some light on truth behind the myths of stamp approval. If you do a write-up, thank you in advance!
Ok...just posted the "high lights" in a new thread.....there is more to this than my post....you can do even more to help yourself.....
check 6-2-18
approval 3-15-19
form 4 trust, 2 people
SBR
approval 3-15-19
form 4 trust, 2 people
SBR
Rifle Dynamics M92 (Ak47) SBR and DeadAir Wolverine can for it.
Check cashed 5/15
Approved 3/10 for both
Stamp received today 3/22 at dealer (will add when approved when i pick up the 2 stamps)
Form 4 trust (1 person with amendment) ...
picking up my babies tomorrow ....
Check cashed 5/15
Approved 3/10 for both
Stamp received today 3/22 at dealer (will add when approved when i pick up the 2 stamps)
Form 4 trust (1 person with amendment) ...
picking up my babies tomorrow ....
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Waiting on an ultra 9 check cashed on 5/9/2018
And
A omega check cashed 7/30/2018
Fuck .gov.
And
A omega check cashed 7/30/2018
Fuck .gov.
I must be missing something. Was the suppressor ordered by the dealer (on behalf of the customer) from a manufacturer or supplier, and paid for in advance by the customer AND form for completed at the point of sale?
Then was the check for the tax stamp cashed by ATF on 6/4/18?
Then did the dealer get the suppressor on 7/10/18?
If that's the sequence of events then how did the dealer know what the serial number was? Did the supplier let the dealer know what the serial number was prior to shipment?
Sorry for the confusion.
Yes. When a dealer orders a suppressor or is getting one transferred on a form 3 they already know the serial number and can fill out the paperwork for the form 4 to be sent in. I’ve had it done before with no issues.
I'm not sure on his specific situation but disposed by definition from ATF means it shipped to his dealer.
For instance I order an Osprey 45 through silencershop. Once the form 3 was approved from SS to my dealer in Louisiana, the can was disposed to my dealer. My check was then cashed by the ATF.
Thanks for the clarification.
Okay. I understand now. I went through a different process with my dealer.
Sometimes it takes time for things to sink in with me.
Have you heard anything specific about possible NFA and AR bans?
I know comrade Sisolak talked about wanting it during the election but the only bills before the legislature are the background check bill and something related to weapon modifications (both completely unconstitutional but hasn’t stopped these assholes before).
I was notified last night that my dealer received my stamp.
1 year plus 1 day from purchase
Don't go back and read the first couple of pages in this thread about wait times back in 2009....
TBAC Ultra 9 6.5cal
Purchased: ---------------------05/12/2018
Paperwork Submitted: ------06/10/2018
Cheque Cashed: --------------06/19/2018
Stamp Approved: -------------03/26/2019
Stamp+Suppressor in hand: 04/02/2019
9.5 Months from cheque cashed to suppressor in hand
Purchased: ---------------------05/12/2018
Paperwork Submitted: ------06/10/2018
Cheque Cashed: --------------06/19/2018
Stamp Approved: -------------03/26/2019
Stamp+Suppressor in hand: 04/02/2019
9.5 Months from cheque cashed to suppressor in hand
You should not have said I shouldn’t....... damn that’s depressing !!! Hahah
Getting close for me too. Check cashed 6-30-18.
Mine too. Check was cashed on all 5 stamps 6/21/18 so hopefully they all start coming in.
TBAC Ultra 7 223CB, Silencershop Singleshot trust
Purchased: 4/21/2018
Paperwork submitted 5/3/2018
Check cashed: 5/22/2018
Stamp approved: 3/22/2019
Stamp and suppressor in hand: 4/2/2019
Purchased: 4/21/2018
Paperwork submitted 5/3/2018
Check cashed: 5/22/2018
Stamp approved: 3/22/2019
Stamp and suppressor in hand: 4/2/2019
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