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Because the government is so dysfunctional, they can't even manage being intentionally dysfunctional.
You should read about the Santa Susanna nuclear coverup/scandal which was much worse than the 3 mile island episode.
https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/meet-people-exposing-truth-about-santa-susana-field-laboratory-n1281010
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/i-team-las-nuclear-secret-camp-cover-up/1987834/
Called ATF again
6/8/22 - Coming up on 1 year and 3 months, still pending with no reviewer assigned to my form 4
Anybody have a spare bottle of vasoline I can borrow since the ATF apparently is not going to let up bending me over?
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At over a year, I'd start calling my congressmen and senators to see if a squeaky wheel can get the grease. Those politicians are stealing from us , might as well make their office do something
Sucks for all the people that did paper form4’s who weren’t told about the efile coming up.
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That’s bs just like getting delayed if you purchase to many firearms in a year…. Seems unlawful since there is no limit on how many can be owned and it’s actually a Right!
Seems like 3-4 months from app submittal
Some people are still getting less
Than 90 days but
100-120 seems to be the average I’ve seen on here
So if your close to 3 months from app submitted your close could be any day
Definitely a lot faster than the year+ average people are
Seeing on the paper form4’s
I'm also at 13 months. Load of bull shit is what this is.
No...what sucks is the assholes at the ATF not processing earlier submitted paper forms until they work off their atrocious backlog BEFORE moving to more recently submitted e-file forms.
The ATF sucks in pretty much every way.
So, where did our ATF apologist go...hmm?
I'm going on 13 months of pending status for my 5th and final paper Form 4. I think you can live with 4 months. LOL
Those of you who have never submitted a paper Form 4 right before and during a Democrat president don't know the infinite "joys" of bureaucracy...
I'm surprised it took so long for somebody to tell me to shut upI'm going on 13 months of pending status for my 5th and final paper Form 4. I think you can live with 4 months. LOL
Those of you who have never submitted a paper Form 4 right before and during a Democrat president don't know the infinite "joys" of bureaucracy...
Form 4 eForm submitted beginning of February and approved today 6/13/22.
Correction:
Gunshop drafted my eForm mid February but actually submitted it 3/18/22. I also made my account with eForms mid February.
Correction:
Gunshop drafted my eForm mid February but actually submitted it 3/18/22. I also made my account with eForms mid February.
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if my math is right, you're at about 140 days?
its going to be interesting to see how the eforms wait times settle out as the initial rush here at the beginning of the year and as we head into the recession.
I am officially past 15 months, and my form 4 still has not even been assigned to a reviewer.I'm surprised it took so long for somebody to tell me to shut up
Shut up.....
haha but in all seriousness, the ATF sucks. At what point do you ask if the person who was supposed to review your form 4 is even alive still?My gun shop told me a guy got approved for an SBR in 7 days eForm
That’s a different form and they are typically only a few weeks.My gun shop told me a guy got approved for an SBR in 7 days eForm
i'm about to piss some people off.
Form 4 efiled ( 1 of 2 submitted at the same time) approved in 76 days.
also, and maybe this has been covered, but does the Form 4 not appear in your eforms dashboard? only thing i have there are old old Form 1s from 7 and 8 years ago.
Form 4 efiled ( 1 of 2 submitted at the same time) approved in 76 days.
also, and maybe this has been covered, but does the Form 4 not appear in your eforms dashboard? only thing i have there are old old Form 1s from 7 and 8 years ago.
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I just got a Form 1 approved in 7 days
Personally, I think people need to stop attempting to deduct motives from cherry-picked data. Looking at the complete dataset, it's just absolute chaos.
I'd share in that sentiment if I was approved in 7 days..I just got a Form 1 approved in 7 days
Personally, I think people need to stop attempting to deduct motives from cherry-picked data. Looking at the complete dataset, it's just absolute chaos.
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Your lovely gov't agency at work. Called on Monday to check status on my paper file and was told for the 700th time that it was pending. Phone call today that the dealer has the stamp in hand and he takes a hot minute to sort through his stamps so my guess is that its been there a week.
Check cashed 5/27/2021
Approved ???
Stamp at dealer 6/15/2022
Check cashed 5/27/2021
Approved ???
Stamp at dealer 6/15/2022
I'm a week shy of 13 months (5/21/21 cash) on my Sandman-S MIL Contract can... Just called... APPROVED TODAY!!!
Now all my paper forms have been approved, and it's all eForms from here on out. Hopefully my OCL Hydrogen-S on eForm will go quickly.
My brother just sent me a text - two paper form 4's (Gunwerks 8ight and 6ix cans) were approved and stamp arrived today. Total wait of 1 year 3 days.
Keeping my fingers crossed I'll have my E-form 4s approved soon.
Keeping my fingers crossed I'll have my E-form 4s approved soon.
Trust with 3 people
2-OSS Rad 22
Ordered - 2/22/21
Tax Stamp Cashed - 3/22/21
Approved - 5/26/22
Picked up - 6/16/22
OSS HX-QD 762 TI
Ordered - 9/24/21
Tax Stamp Cashed - 10/20/21
Approved - 5/26/22
Picked up - 6/16/22
From the date of the check being cashed ended up having a 451 and 239 day wait. Same agent signed. Definitely not first in first out policy. So I guess the 762 wait time wasn’t bad but the 22s was ridiculous. Especially since these are our first suppressors. Now just have to wait till I’m not Oncall next week so I can try them out.
For everyone that’s papered and still waiting good luck hopefully they’ll knock everyone sitting past 1 year sooner than later.
2-OSS Rad 22
Ordered - 2/22/21
Tax Stamp Cashed - 3/22/21
Approved - 5/26/22
Picked up - 6/16/22
OSS HX-QD 762 TI
Ordered - 9/24/21
Tax Stamp Cashed - 10/20/21
Approved - 5/26/22
Picked up - 6/16/22
From the date of the check being cashed ended up having a 451 and 239 day wait. Same agent signed. Definitely not first in first out policy. So I guess the 762 wait time wasn’t bad but the 22s was ridiculous. Especially since these are our first suppressors. Now just have to wait till I’m not Oncall next week so I can try them out.
For everyone that’s papered and still waiting good luck hopefully they’ll knock everyone sitting past 1 year sooner than later.
The ATF has absolutely ZERO excuse for their abominable performance with Form 4's....and I don't give a flying fuck what BS our resident ATF apologist is spinning.
How does something, for example, like @plt228 experienced, be justified? 451 and 239 day wait, they both come out on the very same day, from the very same examiner. So, was his Rad 22 Form 4 sitting under a box of donuts for 212 days, eh.
FUCK THE ATF
Does anyone know if we can buy a digital file out our SS fingerprints? I had my done for a can that’s been exiled, and will be getting another one not through SS. Can I buy a copy of them to digitally submit with me new eF4?
Bought 2 suppressors on 12/23/21, form 4 efile, certified on 2/5. Been 95 business days so far. I’ll admit it my first time buying an NFA item and is a little frustrating with the long waits. Spent my whole adult life in LE (not that that matters) but I have an clean background. Maybe my social media posts are effecting it 
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.I bought mine the same day as you. Lord willing this wait will be over.I'm a week shy of 13 months (5/21/21 cash) on my Sandman-S MIL Contract can... Just called... APPROVED TODAY!!!
Now all my paper forms have been approved, and it's all eForms from here on out. Hopefully my OCL Hydrogen-S on eForm will go quickly.
Mine was bought in early May, like May 10th or something. But it wasn’t cashed until May 21. Bought date and cashed date are 2 different things.
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Form 4 individual paper file Check cashed on April 7, 2021. 440 days ago and still waiting... call weekly and still pending
The end of this abortion of a process is at hand.
After:
- engaging my Senator's office
- provoking the FBI to finally run my Form 4 NICS check that they were sitting on for months (got to love that I for Instant in NICS, yeah?)
- the FBI then sending it back to the AFT with a PROCEED
I called the ATF NFA branch today and a lovely and very nice young lady named Taylor said "oh, this is your lucky day...your Form 4 was approved yesterday" (not clear how that happened as yesterday was a Fed holiday but I'm not complaining).Just a few days shy of 13 months and IMO it would have been well longer if we (me and my Senator's constituent services staff) didn't start pinging both the ATF and the FBI.
Now, Taylor did tell me that the ATF is still holding 8 months as their current average processing time for Form 4's....but she couldn't break out the efile data from paper form data and I suspect strongly that if you took the efiles out of the average, then it would be more like 12-14 months.
And this is what we pay our taxes for....FFS.
I'm not sure I agree with that Milehigh told me that they usually get them in one day but given everything going on lately its been more like 3-5 days. Three weeks....haven't heard of that at all. Do you have any specific data points...first hand knowledge of a a Form 3 taking three weeks?
Cheers
How did you contact the FBI regarding your NICS check that was in limbo? I'm going through a similar situation now and when I call the ATF they are completely useless.
There is absolutely no published contact data for FBI NICS division that I could find.
So, I reached out to the VAF (this is the team for UPINs, right). They had an email address published.
So, I wrote them...acknowledged that I understand that this has zero to do with their area of responsibility but asked if they could provide a contact name/data for who handles ATF NICS transactions. Son of a gun, I got a live wire who wrote back to me the next day that he/she reached out to the supervisor of that section who advised that my NICS check for ATF Form 4 was approved and a PROCEED sent back to the ATF....on the very same day we pinged them. sigh...it was probably sitting under a box of donuts for 3 months.
Now, understand that I did this as my Senator's office had gone to the ATF who advised that I was on NICS DELAY since end of March. Since I have zero arrest records and multiple security clearances as both mil officer and civilian this DELAY status simply could not be justified and apparently is was not insofar as soon as we pinged them it was suddenly approved. Oh, what a shock.
I would advise you to document your situation to your Senator's office and some constituent service staffer will reach out to the ATF Congressional liaison office contact. If you have no data/info at all as to where its hung up, they won't have much to work with so I'd start there, personally.
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