If they wanted us to not have them so badly, why'd they spend the time and money to implement the e-file to cut waits from 16 months to 3 months?
Because the government is so dysfunctional, they can't even manage being intentionally dysfunctional.
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If they wanted us to not have them so badly, why'd they spend the time and money to implement the e-file to cut waits from 16 months to 3 months?
You should read about the Santa Susanna nuclear coverup/scandal which was much worse than the 3 mile island episode.Glad you lived in housing. But do you know what happened in 2019?
I just finished watching the 3 mile island Netflix special. I guess that's different too
TBAC 338 ULTRA SR
Check cashed 3/12/21
Called about 3 weeks ago at essentially a year to the date since check cashed and still pending. Called again today, on hold for 38 minutes, and still pending. Coming up on a year and a month.....This is bullshit
I’m just over a year hopefully soon.Called ATF again
6/8/22 - Coming up on 1 year and 3 months, still pending with no reviewer assigned to my form 4
Anybody have a spare bottle of vasoline I can borrow since the ATF apparently is going to let up bending me over?
At over a year, I'd start calling my congressmen and senators to see if a squeaky wheel can get the grease. Those politicians are stealing from us , might as well make their office do somethingI’m just over a year hopefully soon.
Same boat, 1yr 2 monthsCalled ATF again
6/8/22 - Coming up on 1 year and 3 months, still pending with no reviewer assigned to my form 4
Anybody have a spare bottle of vasoline I can borrow since the ATF apparently is not going to let up bending me over?
Sucks for all the people that did paper form4’s who weren’t told about the efile coming up.Same boat, 1yr 2 months
That’s bs just like getting delayed if you purchase to many firearms in a year…. Seems unlawful since there is no limit on how many can be owned and it’s actually a Right!I talked to the ATF about the schedule on one of mine. He said it was delayed because I already had several and that raised a flag. Several were Form 1s. Go figure.
Seems like 3-4 months from app submittal4 plus
No...what sucks is the assholes at the ATF not processing earlier submitted paper forms until they work off their atrocious backlog BEFORE moving to more recently submitted e-file forms.Sucks for all the people that did paper form4’s who weren’t told about the efile coming up.
Approval 6/08/2022. 125 days.Confirmed eform submission date 2/04/22
waiting through day 109 today.
we are officially back on topic.
I'm going on 13 months of pending status for my 5th and final paper Form 4. I think you can live with 4 months. LOLDangit
I'm surprised it took so long for somebody to tell me to shut upI'm going on 13 months of pending status for my 5th and final paper Form 4. I think you can live with 4 months. LOL
Those of you who have never submitted a paper Form 4 right before and during a Democrat president don't know the infinite "joys" of bureaucracy...
Form 4 eForm submitted beginning of February and approved today 6/13/22.
I am officially past 15 months, and my form 4 still has not even been assigned to a reviewer.I'm surprised it took so long for somebody to tell me to shut up
My gun shop told me a guy got approved for an SBR in 7 days eFormif my math is right, you're at about 140 days?
its going to be interesting to see how the eforms wait times settle out as the initial rush here at the beginning of the year and as we head into the recession.
That’s a different form and they are typically only a few weeks.My gun shop told me a guy got approved for an SBR in 7 days eForm
Everything sucks right now…
5 weeks into Form 1 for SBR
15 weeks into Form 4 for suppressor (eFiled)
11.5 months into paper Form 4 for suppressors
I'd share in that sentiment if I was approved in 7 days..I just got a Form 1 approved in 7 days
Personally, I think people need to stop attempting to deduct motives from cherry-picked data. Looking at the complete dataset, it's just absolute chaos.
Today is 120 still waitingKGM R6.5
eForm …Certified 2/15/22
101 days today still patiently waiting
Damn shame, smh!Your lovely gov't agency at work. Called on Monday to check status on my paper file and was told for the 700th time that it was pending. Phone call today that the dealer has the stamp in hand and he takes a hot minute to sort through his stamps so my guess is that its been there a week.
Check cashed 5/27/2021
Approved ???
Stamp at dealer 6/15/2022
I'm a week shy of 13 months (5/21/21 cash) on my Sandman-S MIL Contract can... Just called... APPROVED TODAY!!!Your lovely gov't agency at work. Called on Monday to check status on my paper file and was told for the 700th time that it was pending. Phone call today that the dealer has the stamp in hand and he takes a hot minute to sort through his stamps so my guess is that its been there a week.
Check cashed 5/27/2021
Approved ???
Stamp at dealer 6/15/2022
I bought mine the same day as you. Lord willing this wait will be over.I'm a week shy of 13 months (5/21/21 cash) on my Sandman-S MIL Contract can... Just called... APPROVED TODAY!!!
Now all my paper forms have been approved, and it's all eForms from here on out. Hopefully my OCL Hydrogen-S on eForm will go quickly.
Mine was bought in early May, like May 10th or something. But it wasn’t cashed until May 21. Bought date and cashed date are 2 different things.I bought mine the same day as you. Lord willing this wait will be over.
March 10, still no approvalPending MAY 24 2022. Still early for me but let's hope any days now
Not totally the same thing, but SS will send you copied for a few dollars.Does anyone know if we can buy a digital file out our SS fingerprints? I had my done for a can that’s been exiled, and will be getting another one not through SS. Can I buy a copy of them to digitally submit with me new eF4?
The end of this abortion of a process is at hand.So, to summarize...
1. After a year of no joy and frankly pissed that e-files were coming back in maybe 90-120 days, I reached out to my Senator's office.
2. My Senator's office reached out to the ATF legislative liaison who came back with the reply that I have been on NICS "Delay" since 31 Mar.
3. I could not be legitimately on Delay as I have zero adverse records in NICS and I had just passed a NICS on 16 Mar for a BA from Altus.
4. THE VERY SAME DAY, I found an email contact in the UPIN (VAF Office) of NICS and asked for some help in find who on the ATF transaction side of NICS I might be able to contact in order to find out why I'm on Delay. Note, you can appeal a Deny but have zero recourse for an endless delay (well, maybe a lawyer might be able to get something out of them via the courts).
5. A real live wire in VAF Office took the initiative and reached out across the organization to the department that handles AFT NICS transactions.
6. My friendly VAF guy replied ONE DAY AFTER NICS ADVISED THE ATF THAT I WAS ON DELAY, with info that my check was "recently" completed and a Proceed was sent back to the AFT.
7. Now...watch the timeline....I asked my friendly VAF guy what "recently" meant and he replied that it was the day he reached across to ask WTF was going on. Yeah, it was sitting under someone's box of donuts or something.
8. Now, my Senator's office reached out to directly confirm with the FBI/NICS that my background check was successfully completed and then forwarded that to the ATF.
9. Today, the ATF replied "I do show Mr. Baron23 was issued a “PROCEED” from FBI NICS. His application will now be sent to await final processing by a legal instruments examiner within the NFA Division."
Please note that nowhere did the ATF commit...or even estimate...the schedule to complete "final processing". Just "await" Fucking clowns.
I agreed with the Senator's office to give them 4 weeks and if we don't have a fucking stamp, we will rattle their cage yet again.
For me, two big take aways.....1) this is the anatomy of a utterly dysfunctional organization and broken process and people wonder why I fucking HATE government and; 2) if I didn't rattle their cage via my Senator's office, it may have been sitting out there for another year. Its too fucked up for words. Total FUBAR.
Hey, where is our resident ATF defender (or maybe even ATF employee)...come on, man. Explain to us how this is reasonable service for our tax dollar? Eh?
I'm not sure I agree with that Milehigh told me that they usually get them in one day but given everything going on lately its been more like 3-5 days. Three weeks....haven't heard of that at all. Do you have any specific data points...first hand knowledge of a a Form 3 taking three weeks?Eh, one day to three weeks is fairly standard.
Yes, more than once.I'm not sure I agree with that Milehigh told me that they usually get them in one day but given everything going on lately its been more like 3-5 days. Three weeks....haven't heard of that at all. Do you have any specific data points...first hand knowledge of a a Form 3 taking three weeks?
Cheers
How did you contact the FBI regarding your NICS check that was in limbo? I'm going through a similar situation now and when I call the ATF they are completely useless.The end of this abortion of a process is at hand.
After:
- engaging my Senator's office- provoking the FBI to finally run my Form 4 NICS check that they were sitting on for months (got to love that I for Instant in NICS, yeah?)- the FBI then sending it back to the AFT with a PROCEEDI called the ATF NFA branch today and a lovely and very nice young lady named Taylor said "oh, this is your lucky day...your Form 4 was approved yesterday" (not clear how that happened as yesterday was a Fed holiday but I'm not complaining).
Just a few days shy of 13 months and IMO it would have been well longer if we (me and my Senator's constituent services staff) didn't start pinging both the ATF and the FBI.
Now, Taylor did tell me that the ATF is still holding 8 months as their current average processing time for Form 4's....but she couldn't break out the efile data from paper form data and I suspect strongly that if you took the efiles out of the average, then it would be more like 12-14 months.
And this is what we pay our taxes for....FFS.
There is absolutely no published contact data for FBI NICS division that I could find.How did you contact the FBI regarding your NICS check that was in limbo? I'm going through a similar situation now and when I call the ATF they are completely useless.