I was thinking the same the same thing. Tens of thousands of form 1s would definitely back log the system.
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That's why I filed my F1 SBR two weeks ago. I didn't want to get caught in another ATF clusterfuck. If the brace ban doesn't happen......cool. I'll still have a SBR
ETA: Holy shit!!! eForm 1 was submitted 11/15/2022. Prints were mailed 11/16/2022 and received at ATF on 11/21/2022. I just got my approval email 30 minutes ago. 15 days total, and only 9 since they received prints.
Thank you Carol Ripley!!!
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Fuck those clowns, I'll just Form 1 SBR the damn things and put real GD stock on them. Barrel length laws are retarded anyway. The ATF and NFA are 100% unconstitutional. The fact the NFA even exists in the first place is bullshit.
What are you talking about? It's just as easy to get denied on a paper form. Denied is denied based on NICS or clerical error on your paperwork. They're the same thing, one is just paper, one is electronic... Whoever told you that was a moron.
Try millions. There's something like 40 MILLION braces currently in circulation... The system would crash.
No doubt. The best thing that could happen is this proving the need to remove SBR/SBS/AOW from the NFA registry. Same with suppressors, now that they are becoming extremely common-use.
I believe they have already well passed the common use numbers.
Big thing to watch regarding suppressors is the Texas v. ATF case. Should be an initial judgment made very soon, and then it'll probably be appealed.
I have been. I can’t wait to watch the ATF squirm in court trying to defend this one. Either they ARE “bearable arms”, in which case they have absolutely ZERO legal right to tax a guaranteed RIGHT… Or, they’re NOT “bearable arms”, in which case why the fuck are they being regulated in the first place?
I don’t see this one going well for the ATF…
I dont get the pistol brace thing? Assuming it can remain in pistol configuration until you get an SBR stamp? Who's to say people don't keep it that way and just claim it's in limbo with the ATF..?
#1) Creepy Joe and the PervoCrats want as many guns registered as possible... Registration ALWAYS leads to confiscation.
#2) The government doesn't like the fact that an AR pistol with a brace is treated like any other handgun, and can cross state lines and be carried concealed in the vehicle without special permission and paperwork.
#3) The government always wants more control when they get tyrannically out of control, as they currently are.
#4) The government wants that $200 extortion fee per item so they can misappropriate it back into their own pockets through money laundering schemes like the Sam Friedman and his FTX crypto company that laundered billions for the Dems and Ukraine after staled billions of OUR taxpayer money.
If I have to register the damn things, I'm not keeping those retarded flexible braces on there...They're gettin SBR'd and REAL buttstocks put on them.
Yeah I get all of that but that doesn't mean that you cannot just create a form 1, but never submit it and claim your waiting on the ATF. Who would enforce that?
Dear Lord in Heaven thank you. Approved 11/28, submitted/certified thru SS on 3/21. A short 252 days later….now just have one pending from 8/25, so maybe by next August.
Thanks Certified 3/23 2022364879 thats 6278 Away from yours At this rate probably by Christmas
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I have an Ultra7 I'm waiting on via efile. Understand processing looks like March right now. Mine was certified 7/24/2022 and was wondering where I can find my control number. ATF website shows nothing and I cannot find anything related on Silencer Shop Portal. Thanks.
Should be on the email they sent you when you submitted/certified it. You’ve got at least 3-4 months of waiting yet though at this rate, could easily be 6+
Must've overlooked the email but found it now. Thanks! 2022654xxx. I've been following this thread periodically and figured it'll be March hopefully....
E-Form: Q Thunder Chicken
Individual Form 4
Certified: 3/21/2022
Approved: 11/29/2022
Time Duration: 253 days
Control # 2022357433
Individual Form 4
Certified: 3/21/2022
Approved: 11/29/2022
Time Duration: 253 days
Control # 2022357433
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Yup. I can only stay disappointed so long. It’s cold and snowy now in MN so I’m not as eager to get outside and shoot it….wait a minute, yes I am. I’m hoping they will do a batch approval for the other one certified on 5/7/2022.
When you get an eform approved does the stamp come in an email? And then print it out to take to your dealer?
It comes attached as a pdf yeah. Your dealer gets the same email so you don’t need to print anything out.
Certified 3/22 thinking any day now from looking at data on approvals on the dashboard link in this thread
3/24/2022 Certified
12/1/2022 Approval
12/1/2022 Approval
Certified 3/23/22
Approved 11/30/22
eform trust
Approved 11/30/22
eform trust
#FuckTheNFA
Then again, even if it was still only 90, I’d be saying the same thing. Taxing guaranteed rights is illegal. Restricting the 2A is unconstitutional. So… Unconstitutional and illegal is still unconstitutional and illegal, regardless of wait time.
Interesting, and depressing, that trend is definitely going up. I am very curious what the story is on those outliers that are half the time or less of all the approvals around them.
ATF Approval - Current Wait
www.atfapproval.com
Likely either cherry picked to bring the average down, and/or expedited for duty/PCS/gun store going out of business, etc.
DOJ told ATF to target 90 days for form 4 approvals, is there any incentive for hitting that mark? Or consequences for not hitting it? Probably a silly question. I am curious though at what point are they required to staff up if that's the issue?
I have never understood why tf a form 1 takes a month and a form 4 takes about a year. If people are still getting form 1s cleared quickly (they are), then the whole FBI background check backlog and short handed thing is bullshit.
Not going out of business……..
I have a suppressor I purchased Nov 2021 that the FFL / SOT decided to move and shut down shortly after receiving. since it went through silencer shop, they were anticipating e-file. Then the FFL / SOT transferred his inventory a couple of times and blah blah blah I certified in june 2022.
So I figure by the time I get that suppressor, it will be 15-18 months total time. I should have just bought another one but “….. 90 Days…..”
Stamp at dealer 12/2/2022
346 days check cashed to approval
74 days approval to stamp at dealer
Proving once again that government could fuck up a wet dream…
And people want the government to manage their healthcare
Well they have blew by my certification date of 3/22 ,so do not know how they figure out who is next in line,oh well my tax dollars at work.
Several different examiners all working at their own pace. Luck of the draw on whose pile your form falls in to? Regional? I’d consider the relationship between cert date and approval date as approximate at best.
I had the same signature on both my approvals. Cans were certified minutes apart and the approval was 10 days apart. Trying to make sense of the system is definitely futile and can only lead to high blood pressure and heart attack.
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