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I never had a paper form4 come back in less than 355 days. But yea it all sucks and is an infringement.
Before Efile my last paper trust was 8 months, one before was 18. Efile has not speeded things up and I believe it's from the amount of forms being filed.
My shortest paper form was 8 months, back in 2021. My longest were just over 15 months.
I was able to get a 75 day eFile form 4 back when they first started. Filed Jan 2022 and got it around the end of April. But now I have some efiles from August last year.
It’s all a joke and I try to forget that I have stamps I’m waiting on
I was able to get a 75 day eFile form 4 back when they first started. Filed Jan 2022 and got it around the end of April. But now I have some efiles from August last year.
It’s all a joke and I try to forget that I have stamps I’m waiting on
Yup. Pretty sorry huh? It's kind of amazing how @Lowlight does updates on this site, and the massive amount more information and interaction that this site has, and yet with VASTLY more resources and unlimited budget, the feds can't get a damn site to process these forms that works. Not to mention the ridiculous time it takes to do such a simple process.
On a form 4 that is because the record is on the FFL's account, not yours. You will get an email with a final disposition (approved/rejected etc.) I think if you do a form 1 it will be on your account because you are technically making the gun, but I could be wrong.
And so we begin again…
Just certified my new Hydro-S 6.5mm in FDE finish.
Just an FYI for those interested, FDE is currently not a factory available color option on the Hydrogen cans (maybe available later?
), but Andrew had one done as a prototype color test, and it was still brand new and laying around the shop… And long-story short, now I have it. 
If y’all prefer FDE over black cerakote, let the OCL guys know on their IG page, and they might start offering the Hydros in FDE as a factory option?
Just certified my new Hydro-S 6.5mm in FDE finish.
Just an FYI for those interested, FDE is currently not a factory available color option on the Hydrogen cans (maybe available later?
), but Andrew had one done as a prototype color test, and it was still brand new and laying around the shop… And long-story short, now I have it. If y’all prefer FDE over black cerakote, let the OCL guys know on their IG page, and they might start offering the Hydros in FDE as a factory option?
And so we begin again…
Just certified my new Hydro-S 6.5mm in FDE finish.
Just an FYI for those interested, FDE is currently not a factory available color option on the Hydrogen cans (maybe available later?
If y’all prefer FDE over black cerakote, let the OCL guys know on their IG page, and they might start offering the Hydros in FDE as a factory option?
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Given that my Nomad-LT and Hydrogen-L 7.62 are almost identical, I’d guess the Nomad-Ti and Hydro-S 7.62 would be nearly identical also.
That being said, Andrew said that during his sound meter testing, the shorter Hydrogen-S 6.5mm (7” can) performed nearly equally to the .30 caliber Hydrogen-L (9” can) on the same exact 6.5 rifle back-to-back. So apparently with the 6.5mm version, you can save 2” in length (better for hunting), and get equal sound performance to the 9” cans, when used on a 6.5mm (or smaller) bore rifle.
I haven’t had a chance to shoot it yet, as I didn’t have my KeyMo for it 2 weekends ago, and was out of town all last weekend, but I plan to shoot it this weekend. And will do some comparison videos.
Given that my Nomad-LT and Hydrogen-L 7.62 are almost identical, I’d guess the Nomad-Ti and Hydro-S 7.62 would be nearly identical also.
That being said, Andrew said that during his sound meter testing, the shorter Hydrogen-S 6.5mm (7” can) performed nearly equally to the .30 caliber Hydrogen-L (9” can) on the same exact 6.5 rifle back-to-back. So apparently with the 6.5mm version, you can save 2” in length (better for hunting), and get equal sound performance to the 9” cans, when used on a 6.5mm (or smaller) bore rifle.
I haven’t had a chance to shoot it yet, as I didn’t have my KeyMo for it 2 weekends ago, and was out of town all last weekend, but I plan to shoot it this weekend. And will do some comparison videos.
That's cool. I really like Andrew's stuff and would like to check it out.
Just got an approval for can #1 today, 276 days. I have another that was purchased 10 days later so it'll be interesting to see. This is about two months longer than it took me to get a paper Form 4 approved. Good times. On a positive note, my suppressor was purchased and approved in less time than it took Dillon to make a carbide rifle die for me. Got the Form 4 notification this morning and Dillon sent a ship notice today. I purchased the Dillon a month before the suppressor. Stupid.
On a Sunday, before lunch at 11:17 if you can believe it.
EForm4
Certified May 24th 2022
Approved February 19th 2023
Control number 202251896X
271 days
EForm4
Certified May 24th 2022
Approved February 19th 2023
Control number 202251896X
271 days
Just did this. Unfortunately had to withdraw and resubmit.
If you have a trust with multiple responsible persons and one still resides in that state you may not have to withdraw and resubmit. That wasn’t the case for me - ordered the TBAC in April 2021 and still waiting patiently.
E form
Salvo 12
5-21-22
2-18-23 7:37am email
Control # 202251516x
Official........Shannon Divietò.......?
274 Days......
"U Pin acquired a few NFA items ago, I'm on a FFL/SOT"
Something else I'll add FYI:
I bought a Cert at a NRA banquet last year in October on the dirt cheap!:
(Like dirt cheap, lol)
Banish 22
11-16-22
TBD
Control # 20238807x
SC wouldn't transfer to my FFL/SOT I'm on. Dicks, but whatever.
Will ship to me from my home town SC "outlet". WTH? LOL
Salvo 12
5-21-22
2-18-23 7:37am email
Control # 202251516x
Official........Shannon Divietò.......?
274 Days......
"U Pin acquired a few NFA items ago, I'm on a FFL/SOT"
Something else I'll add FYI:
I bought a Cert at a NRA banquet last year in October on the dirt cheap!:
(Like dirt cheap, lol)
Banish 22
11-16-22
TBD
Control # 20238807x
SC wouldn't transfer to my FFL/SOT I'm on. Dicks, but whatever.
Will ship to me from my home town SC "outlet". WTH? LOL
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Eform 4
TBAC 22TD
Certified 5/20/22
Approved 2/18/23
Control - 2022514xxx
Official - Rachel B
274 days
TBAC 22TD
Certified 5/20/22
Approved 2/18/23
Control - 2022514xxx
Official - Rachel B
274 days
If you can do a NICS check to buy a handgun in a few minutes then you can either approve or disapprove a suppressor in the same time frame. This is such BS
Otter Creek Labs Polonium | 5.56mm / .223 | Rifle | Suppressors - Capitol Armory
<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><strong>ELEMENT 84</strong></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: medium;">The Otter Creek Labs Polonium, at it's core, is a hard use 5.56 suppressor. It doesn't fall into the "durability above all else" category
www.capitolarmory.com
OCL - Polonium 5.56 Duty Suppressor - Black
The polonium is made to be a quiet, duty rated, hard use, 5.56 suppressor. Just as much at home on a mk18 getting hammered with heavy strings of fire as it is on a DMR/SPR set up where ultimate suppression is the goal.
www.bauer-precision.com
I too use Capitol Armory. Unless you intend to pick it up (when the stamp arrives) You will have to have a local (to you) FFL to receive it from CA. Shop around for the best transfer price. I've seen $100 down to $35.
All that is true but I just realized that CA now has a program to mail it directly to your home address. I don't use it, I live 40 mi away.
Otter Creek Labs Polonium | 5.56mm / .223 | Rifle | Suppressors - Capitol Armory
<p><span style="font-size: medium;"><strong>ELEMENT 84</strong></span></p> <p><span style="font-size: medium;">The Otter Creek Labs Polonium, at it's core, is a hard use 5.56 suppressor. It doesn't fall into the "durability above all else" category
OCL - Polonium 5.56 Duty Suppressor - Black
The polonium is made to be a quiet, duty rated, hard use, 5.56 suppressor. Just as much at home on a mk18 getting hammered with heavy strings of fire as it is on a DMR/SPR set up where ultimate suppression is the goal.
Awesome! So is there a better way to do it with capitol armory or should I just send it to my ffl sot and efile with them?
I’d just have them shoot it over to your local FFL on a Form 3, and then do your paperwork through your local dealer and Silencer Shop. That’s what I do. That way it’s nearby, and if your local spot has a range, then you can be enjoying while waiting.
He doesn't have a range but he will let me test fire at hos place into his test fire barrel to hear itI’d just have them shoot it over to your local FFL, that way it’s nearby, and if your local spot has a range, then you can be enjoying while waiting.
I have been a customer of CA for several years. Pricing is usually pretty good. Set up an account. Send them pics and prints and your info and they will keep them on file. You buy a can and ask them to do the paperwork. You’ll DocuSign them and they’ll call you to finalize the ATF stuff. They will file it.
Three ways to you from there.
FFL
Pick up at CA
Ship to you( if legal)
Call CA and they will tell you their needs and discuss the process. Very nice people to work with. GL
Yeah I'm tempted to just do that for the future. I've only heard great things. I've never had any issues with SS but since I already have the stuff there, I should be able to get it from them and send it to CA. I will give them a shout tomorrow and talk to them before I buy then. It shows a 200 form 4 fee in my cart when I went to pay but I was going to send it to my ffl it would be a form 3 wouldn't it?
The $$$ are paid when you buy the item. Buy it from CA—pay them. Buy from an FFL— pay them. Either way Uncle Sam’s hand is in your pocket.
BTW- the CA process works very well for trusts. The keep a copy on file and it gets sent to ATF by CA.
That's what my latest one was as well as the one before that and honestly I think they have all been right there at 10-11 months. I have like 6 or 7 ish.... and they have all been that way. Paper, efile, form 1, form 4..... doesn't matter for me. 10/11 months is what I will wait.
Yeah I know they will get their money, I just didn't understand the form4 if it was going from one dealer to another but as long as the tax stamp is paid thats fine by me.
Form 4 is between you and the ATF (when you buy it). Form 3 is dealer to dealer. (Nothing there for you)
Oh ok, I thought I would have to do the form 4 at my sot, I didn't realize they could file that and then send it to my dealer or are you saying that would be for them to file the form4 and then send it to me?
It looks like you’re in Alabama? If so, Capitol Armory can ship directly to your house upon approval of the form4, so there’s no need for a form3 transfer to any SOT in your state. That does mean you won’t get a conjugal visit with your can while you wait though.
If you scroll down the CA home page and look at the “how to buy a suppressor” section, it states that they can ship directly to the buyer in several states, once you’re approved by the ATF. This is the route I went.
It's just as simple to keep your stuff at SS, and have your local SS dealer get it transferred to them on Form 3, and then when it arrives, have them add it to your SS profile for registration, and start the pre-cert info. Then once pre-cert is done, you do your cert, and boom, you're waiting. It's super simple.
Remember, I've had to do this with 4 OCL cans now, with my local Dealer. I was one of the first people to get SS to input the OCL suppressor data (make, models, S/N's, etc...) for the Polonium and Hydrogen models into their system for registration. It was a long huge pain in the ass, with shit tons of emails back and forth between me, SS, and my dealer, but we got it all done right. And once it was done, it's been smooth sailing ever since.
There is lots of good advice on here. Buying a can seems daunting but it really isn't that difficult. There are lots of places to purchase one from. Individual dealers (LGS), Silencer Shop, Silencer Central, Capitol Armory, etc etc etc. Some sell only their products while others offer many different brands and sizes. Much is the same no matter where you purchase. I am a customer service type of guy. Bad cs- no buy, good cs and I am willing to go back to the well. You pay, the paperwork gets done, and then you wait (+ wait +wait..). 'Stamp' arrives. Can comes to you. I like the simplicity of someone else doing the paperwork for the ATF and getting it all submitted.
Its like sex. The more you do it, the better you get at it!
Yeah I have 8 cans now(and one in jail for another 10 months I will guess) so I'm familiar with the process, I just haven't ever bought one from capital armory. I've always been able to buy cans that either one of 2 local dealers had in stock, or that SS had and sent to my local dealer, who is a SS kiosk dealer. The only thing I didn't get was why CA would put a can on a Form4 to send it to my dealer vs a Form3, then my dealer doing the Form4 for me.
Sorry. Didn't say it very well before. Form 3s are the forms that makers and dealers must use to transfer the items between each other. A Form 4 (paper or eform) is the form between the purchaser and the ATF. With your info in their system CA will fill in all the blanks on the 4473, collect your $$ (buy+ the $200), and efile it for you.
But they are who I have used for far too many cans!! There are others but I like them. Great CS
Yes I know the forms and what dealers use to transfer vs dealer to individuals. But if they were to send the can to my dealer, they would have to use a form 3, not a form 4. I think their site is just set up to automatically go to form 4 which is what caused my confusion, since their site also says to buy the can then give your dealers info ffl ect. So I wad confused as to why I would pay for a for. 4 tax sta.p I it was just being tranferes to MY dealer , which would have to get the can on a form 3 not a form 4. MY dealer would then have to do a form 4 for me, and pay the tax stamp.
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To find out the current status you must call the Martinsburg WV ATF phone number. You will need to have the serial number of your suppressor to give them. Not always informative but sometimes it seems to speed the process up. Be pleasant and polite, I'm sure they hate the phone calls. (304) 616-4500
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To find out the current status you must call the Martinsburg WV ATF phone number. You will need to have the serial number of your suppressor to give them. Not always informative but sometimes it seems to speed the process up. Be pleasant and polite, I'm sure they hate the phone calls. (304) 616-4500
Forget the Form 3 - take it out of the conversation. Has nothing to do with you.
Whoever you purchase from has to fill out the Form 4 and collect the money for the NFA stamp. Operative words are 'whoever you purchase from' . Does not include whatever your FFL will charge you as a transfer fee (charge to hold the suppressor while you wait for the stamp). You'll pay that when you come in to pick it up.
(I could be wrong on this)>>>>>>If you use CA (for example) and just buy it from them to send to your FFL, they will send the can to them (2+ weeks), you fill out the 4473 for the Form 4 at the FFL who would collect the $200 and be responsible to send both in to the ATF. May not happen immediately. You've just spent most of month doing it this way.
If you use CA or any of the other major outlets you buy, you pay everything up front and they do the paperwork and filing (Usually done w/in 48 hours). Then they send the can to your FFL of choice, where you will eventually have to pay the transfer fee. (or sent to your home option).
I am using CA bc that's who I use, but there are many other options like them. Not saying you have to or should use CA because I say so.
Are you in Texas by chance?
No I'm in AL.
I understand what you're saying but the idea was to get the can to my dealer while I wait for the stamp. That was where all this confusion on my part began. I just didn't understand how they would be putting it on a form 4 yet sending it to my dealer, which has to happen on a form 3, then it would have to go back on a form 4 to go to me. I thought they would sell it and send it to my dealer on a form 3, then my dealer would do the form 4 and tax stamp to get it to me. I don't think there's a way to have it on a form 4 with CA , then form 3 for them to send it to my dealer, then back on the same form 4. I think that would require another tax stamp to get it back on a form4 at my dealer, which is why they send it to my dealer first, then we do the form 4, unless they can be on both forms at one time but I didn't think that was possible.
Yeah I can just get my fingerprints from SS I think amd send that amd my trust doc to CA and let them do the form 4, that would just mean the can will wait there until the stamp is approved vs at my local dealer until thr stamp is approved.
Call CA for the straight skinny. (Yes, I’m that old!) Good luck
CA CS. 512-879-1068. M-F
Does CA allow conjugal visit's? just curious they are like a 2.5hour drive for me.
LOL. They do not have a range.
The reason I asked if you were in Texas is that on March 4th Capitol Armory is putting on "Quiet in the Capitol" outside of Kyle Texas (between New Braunfels and Austin. They put on a come-and-try-them-out with like 10-15 different suppressor makers. Its all free to shoot what you want. Rifle (hunting and AR), pistols (handgun and AR), shotguns, and last year year I think they ended with a machine gun shoot. I went last year and it can be alot of fun. Know its a ways but bring a couple of friends and make a day of it. Its only about 7-8 miles off of I-35.
You can purchase (order) them on site and get a 10-15% discount for the day. Its best to get an account set up on the CA site first though otherwise you are standing at a monitor trying to fill out screens. Me? I'd rather go shoot!
Quiet in the Capitol Event - Capitol Armory
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