Suppressors Form 4 wait time

[wdebo]

Re: Form 4 wait time

I picked my cans up a week ago. I sent my paper work in March 3rd.

 

[normbal]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tamu98</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shark went pending July 21 on a trust. Just called to check and found out that it was approved on Dec 9. Hope my stamp makes it here by this weekend.</div></div>

My cans went pending July 28, Dana Pickles examiner. On a trust.

I'm thinking January.

 

[normbal]

Re: Form 4 wait time

I JUST got a call - yesterday, Friday - from my FFL/SOT. Can paperwork is in. Dammit. Now I have to wait until Monday to pick 'em up.

I'm going to send Dana Pickles a Christmas card. Anyone know the address for the NFA office?

 

[pwc001]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wdebo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I picked my cans up a week ago. I sent my paper work in March 3rd. </div></div>

9 months, wow. Who was the examiner?

Guess the days of appoved in under a month are long gone, kind of takes the fun out of it, when our money is tied up for so long and we have nothing to show for it.

 

[cookietheswede]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: normbal</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Cookie The Swede</div><div class="ubbcode-body">AAC 762-SDN-6

Check cashed July 5th

Stamp received December 8th</div></div>

Almost the exact timeframe I'm working on, and the very same can.

How do you like it? </div></div>

Very quiet on my AAC 9" upper with SW ammo Subs. Loudest thing I hear is my buffer spring.

 

[JSTARSZ]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: normbal</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tamu98</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shark went pending July 21 on a trust. Just called to check and found out that it was approved on Dec 9. Hope my stamp makes it here by this weekend.</div></div>

My cans went pending July 28, Dana Pickles examiner. On a trust.

I'm thinking January.</div></div> mine is the exact same day with the exact same examiner - sad to say but you may be correct for the after January 12- this sucks! First time I have had to wait over four months.

 

[SymteX]

Re: Form 4 wait time

Its in hand....

NFA Item: Osprey .45
Form Type: Form 4
Transfer Type: Trust
Forms Sent: 07-07-2011
Check Cashed: 07-13-11
Pending Date: 07-21-11
Forms Received: 12-14-11 - 5 months
Examiner Name:Sarah Jones

 

[Skyking]

Re: Form 4 wait time

Waiting on a Thunderbeast 30p-1

Went pending on 8/4/11

 

[fnfalsar48]

Re: Form 4 wait time

How can you tell when it's "pending" all I know is they cashed my check for 3 cans on 10/08/11

 

[Jrb572]

Re: Form 4 wait time

Call 304-616-4500 along with your serial number for your can.

 

[fnfalsar48]

Re: Form 4 wait time

When you call does it piss them off? And the put your application on the bottom of the pile?

 

[normbal]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fnfalsar48</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When you call does it piss them off? And the put your application on the bottom of the pile?</div></div>

No to both questions. I think they probably get a LOT of calls. If you're polite, have your serial numbers handy they'll look up the info and tell you right away, no one has to dig around in a pile somewhere for a chart, it's all on computers, which is interesting as hell because if that's really the case, then transfers should be done at point of sale for previous buyers.

Just be nice, polite, keep in mind thee are your every day ordinary entrenched socialist bureaucratic public education victims just doing their job, not making policy..

 

[sturkis]

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Called ATF today and after an exact 5month wait to the day from when my check was cashed my new can has been approved!!!!

 

[normbal]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sturkis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Called ATF today and after an exact 5month wait to the day from when my check was cashed my new can has been approved!!!!</div></div>

It'll still be a couple days until the papers actually get to you after approval.

Congratulations.

Just picked mine up. Approved Dec 12, papers go to my dealer Friday.

 

[normbal]

Re: Form 4 wait time

1. NFA Item: Suppressors, AAC Evo-9, 762-SDN-6
1.5 Dealer to Dealer Form 3 about 6 weeks (May 15th to about July 5th).
2. Form Type: Form 4
3. Transferee Type: Trust
4. Forms Sent: July 15, 2011
5. Delivered: July 18, 2011
6. Check Cashed: July 19, 2011
7. Pending Date: July 28, 2011
8. Approved Date: Dec 12, 2011
9. Forms Received: Dec 16, 2011
10. Examiner: Dana Pickles

Just picked up the cans from my dealer a few minutes ago.

Range date this Thursday.

Now, do I buy that .338 can from AAC or no?

 

[MaximumVelocity]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The new guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For you guys waiting on Sara Jones (Texas)

Form 1 SBR trust

Sent: June 28th
Pending: July 22nd
Approved: Dec 5th
Arrived: Dec 9th </div></div>

My 7.62 SAS Arbiter form 4 came back on the exact same timeline but Ann Feltner signed mine so I guess she is helping out Texas a little. 5 months is the current runtime for Texas at least.

 

[afd77]

Re: Form 4 wait time

Item: Surefire FA556-212
Type: Individual
Purchased: 12/20/2011 (In stock at dealer)
Mailed: 12/21/2011
Check cashed: 12/28/2011
Pending: never checked
Approved: 06/12/2012
Received:
Item in hand:
Examiner: Ohio, should be Dudash

 

[a_bishop]

Re: Form 4 wait time

Anyone seen anything from an August pending date yet?

 

[JSTARSZ]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: a_bishop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone seen anything from an August pending date yet? </div></div> they are still working July right now - seems to be in the third to fourth week of July but will slow down for Christmas break and New Years.

 

[JSTARSZ]

Re: Form 4 wait time

I picked up the Thunderbeast (30P-1) today - nice Christmas present
Pending 28 July 2011
Examiner Dana Pickles
Approved 16 December 2011
Stamp to Dealer 21 December 2011.
4 months 3 weeks from pending to receipt.

 

[VJJPunisher]

Re: Form 4 wait time

just called after seein JSTARSZ post

pending 28 July 2011
Examiner Mr Shipman
Approved 16 December 2011
picked up 22 Dec 11
ops inc 12th model

 

[JSTARSZ]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VAJayJayPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">just called after seein JSTARSZ post

pending 28 July 2011
Examiner Mr Shipman
Approved 16 December 2011

have not received stamp yet</div></div>
kind of makes you feel tingly all over

 

[Lowlight]

Re: Form 4 wait time

Hmm,

I may have to call mine KAC was July 16th and I haven't heard anything ?

 

[dpreston]

Re: Form 4 wait time

Ive got a few TBAC's that went pending July 15th and I haven't heard a thing.

 

[Rambo Complex]

Re: Form 4 wait time

I was recently advised by my gun dealer whom I ordered my suppressor from, that if you call the atf to check your status of form 4 process, your paperwork goes to the bottom of the list again.

Allegedly this is what an atf employee who is a form 4 reviewer told said gun dealer. Reasoning is supposed to be that he who calls to check their status wastes their valuable time therefore he goes to the bottom as sort of a screw you penalty.

true? false? just what I was told and thought id pass it along.

 

[trukreltrog]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rambo Complex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was recently advised by my gun dealer whom I ordered my suppressor from, that if you call the atf to check your status of form 4 process, your paperwork goes to the bottom of the list again.

Allegedly this is what an atf employee who is a form 4 reviewer told said gun dealer. Reasoning is supposed to be that he who calls to check their status wastes their valuable time therefore he goes to the bottom as sort of a screw you penalty.

true? false? just what I was told and thought id pass it along. </div></div>

B.S. I've called on just about every one of mine, they didn't take much longer than other peoples. I have a slow examiner anyway,,,

 

[JSTARSZ]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rambo Complex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was recently advised by my gun dealer whom I ordered my suppressor from, that if you call the atf to check your status of form 4 process, your paperwork goes to the bottom of the list again.

Allegedly this is what an atf employee who is a form 4 reviewer told said gun dealer. Reasoning is supposed to be that he who calls to check their status wastes their valuable time therefore he goes to the bottom as sort of a screw you penalty.

true? false? just what I was told and thought id pass it along.</div></div> this is not true at all. The people who answer the phone are not the examiners who I wouldn't call unless they called me which has happened in the past. If you have your serial number and name they will give you the pending status and examiners name - be respectful to them as they are doing a job too and they will be respectful back to you. It has nothing to do with when the Forms are approved; however, if you called weekly I am sure you could get a name for yourself.

 

[netranger6]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSTARSZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rambo Complex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was recently advised by my gun dealer whom I ordered my suppressor from, that if you call the atf to check your status of form 4 process, your paperwork goes to the bottom of the list again.

Allegedly this is what an atf employee who is a form 4 reviewer told said gun dealer. Reasoning is supposed to be that he who calls to check their status wastes their valuable time therefore he goes to the bottom as sort of a screw you penalty.

true? false? just what I was told and thought id pass it along.</div></div> this is not true at all. The people who answer the phone are not the examiners who I wouldn't call unless they called me which has happened in the past. If you have your serial number and name they will give you the pending status and examiners name - be respectful to them as they are doing a job too and they will be respectful back to you. It has nothing to do with when the Forms are approved; however, if you called weekly I am sure you could get a name for yourself. </div></div>

+1

 

[johngfoster]

Re: Form 4 wait time

Finally!!!

Form 4:
-mailed 6/30/11
-pending 7/15/11
-approved 12/16/11
-in hand 12/22/11

Interesting bit: my examiner was Jason Frushour. However, on the form is Ted Clutter's signature. And my SOT says he has yet to receive a single form from Frushour. Looks like Mr Clutter had to step in and get the backlog taken care of.

 

[Tucsondave]

Re: Form 4 wait time

Just got one back yesterday. Sent July 11 in hand Dec 22.

 

[3DHUSKER]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johngfoster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Finally!!!

Form 4:
-mailed 6/30/11
-pending 7/15/11
-approved 12/16/11
-in hand 12/22/11

Interesting bit: my examiner was Jason Frushour. However, on the form is Ted Clutter's signature. And my SOT says he has yet to receive a single form from Frushour. Looks like Mr Clutter had to step in and get the backlog taken care of. </div></div>

Its hard to get any work done when your gone all the time.

Some one said he was gone 3 weeks out of the last 8 weeks.
Factor in breaks and Bull S### time getting in late to work and leaving early to make up for it. Its just really hard to be an examiner.

 

[dpreston]

Re: Form 4 wait time

just got my 338 TBAC. Pending 7/15/11 - approved 12/6/11

 

[Smith44699]

Re: Form 4 wait time

Going to send form 4's off Tuesday. Swr trident. Trust. I expect 4 to 6 months wait. Hopefully sooner. Not holding my breath though. My last suppressor was mailed in June and got it back in October.

 

[1shot2kill]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3DHUSKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johngfoster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Finally!!!

Form 4:
-mailed 6/30/11
-pending 7/15/11
-approved 12/16/11
-in hand 12/22/11

Interesting bit: my examiner was Jason Frushour. However, on the form is Ted Clutter's signature. And my SOT says he has yet to receive a single form from Frushour. Looks like Mr Clutter had to step in and get the backlog taken care of. </div></div>

Its hard to get any work done when your gone all the time.

Some one said he was gone 3 weeks out of the last 8 weeks.
Factor in breaks and Bull S### time getting in late to work and leaving early to make up for it. Its just really hard to be an examiner.

</div></div>

shit he is my examiner how do you work so little and keep your job

 

[3DHUSKER]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1shot2kill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3DHUSKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johngfoster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Finally!!!

Form 4:
-mailed 6/30/11
-pending 7/15/11
-approved 12/16/11
-in hand 12/22/11

Interesting bit: my examiner was Jason Frushour. However, on the form is Ted Clutter's signature. And my SOT says he has yet to receive a single form from Frushour. Looks like Mr Clutter had to step in and get the backlog taken care of. </div></div>

Its hard to get any work done when your gone all the time.

Some one said he was gone 3 weeks out of the last 8 weeks.
Factor in breaks and Bull S### time getting in late to work and leaving early to make up for it. Its just really hard to be an examiner.

</div></div>

shit he is my examiner how do you work so little and keep your job </div></div>

I don't know.... but I keep tabs on him as he is my examiner also.
He will not be back to work till second week of January.

I have a can that should be approved by him any time.....But time just keeps moving at a snails pace.

 

[varmint slayer]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3DHUSKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1shot2kill</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 3DHUSKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: johngfoster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Finally!!!

Form 4:
-mailed 6/30/11
-pending 7/15/11
-approved 12/16/11
-in hand 12/22/11

Interesting bit: my examiner was Jason Frushour. However, on the form is Ted Clutter's signature. And my SOT says he has yet to receive a single form from Frushour. Looks like Mr Clutter had to step in and get the backlog taken care of. </div></div>

Its hard to get any work done when your gone all the time.

Some one said he was gone 3 weeks out of the last 8 weeks.
Factor in breaks and Bull S### time getting in late to work and leaving early to make up for it. Its just really hard to be an examiner.

</div></div>

shit he is my examiner how do you work so little and keep your job </div></div>

I don't know.... but I keep tabs on him as he is my examiner also.
He will not be back to work till second week of January.

I have a can that should be approved by him any time.....But time just keeps moving at a snails pace.</div></div>

Great. He is mine as well.

 

[Lowlight]

Re: Form 4 wait time

My KAC 5.56

Pending: July 16th 2011
Approved: December 22, 2011
Paperwork: Enroute

So the examiner for out west here is a bit slow.

 

[varmint slayer]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lowlight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My KAC 5.56

Pending: July 16th 2011
Approved: December 22, 2011
Paperwork: Enroute

So the examiner for out west here is a bit slow. </div></div>

Being that you are in CO was Jason Frushour your examiner? Just curious beause of the change the NFA branch had back in July.

 

[pyplynr]

Re: Form 4 wait time

What's the odds on when my form 4's will get approved with the holidays and vacations? I see that the ones that went pending mid July are being approved now. My 30P-1 and Sparrow went pending mid August. I wonder if I'll see them approved around this time next month. I've got a feeling that it will be around the end of Febuary knowing how fast the gov works.

 

[oneshot.onehit]

Re: Form 4 wait time

TBAC 338P-1
TBAC 30P-1
Sent 7/5/11
Cashed 7/08/11
Pending 7/26/11
Approved 12/20/11
Awaiting mail delivery

 

[In2b8u]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: In2b8u</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Currently on the longest wait I have had to endure. Mailed my Form 4 off May 22 to beat the June 1 change. Went pending 7/21, was informed that they have not even reached July yet.
I have never had to wait this long. Usually 90 days. Shortest was 45. </div></div>

Stamp received 12/21

 

[Lowlight]

Re: Form 4 wait time

My Stamped was received today...

So, Pending = 7/16/2011

Received = 12/29/2011

the Approved date was 12/22

 

[bluegrasspicker]

Re: Form 4 wait time

I picked up my SAS Arbitor today. The paperwork went out mid-July.

The TTB called about two weeks ago because I neglected to fill out the fingerprint card (name, SSN, etc-----brilliant), all I could picture was my stuff going back to the bottom of the pile. Luckily that wasn't the case.

Today was my first time using a suppressor. I'm still smilin' :^) Ziiiiiiiiinnnnnng SMACK

If anyone's in the Morgantown, WV area and looking for a dealer, Colsman Arms provides some great customer service!

Bob

 

[markspring1978]

Re: Form 4 wait time

This was not for a suppressor (HK auto sear) what a wait.

Purchased: 3/08/2011
Form 4 sent from original owner: 3/17/2011
Form 4 transfer to dealer approved: 7/07/2011
My form 4 sent on a trust: 7/11/2011
Pending: 7/28/2011
Approved: 12/27/2011
Received: 1/03/2012
Examiner: Jason Frashour

With the holidays, I'm amazed to get this approved in the week between Christmas and New Years.

 

[TnRedneck]

Re: Form 4 wait time

[Rant on]

Guys, I thought I would make your day. I have just completed paying for another suppressor from a group buy here on the hide. I am looking at having the suppressor sometime in September, October or possibly November. I am allowing January and February for the first Form 3 from the manufacturer to the Hide dealer; March and April for the Form 3 to transfer from the Hide dealer to my dealer in state. With any luck I will see a Form 4 in April but probably May. Then the wait for the Form 4 for May, June, July, August, September and October.

Doesn't it just make you sick. Almost like trying to buy a car in Russia during the height of the communist era.

Now for the fun part. The current governmental administration says they are <span style="font-weight: bold">NOT</span> doing anything to restrict owning these items.

Just for grins, I looked at mine and friends last four Form 4 purchases for processing times. Here's what I found:

Signed by Local Dealer: March 17
Signed by Owner: March 17
Signed by Police Chief: March 21
Approved by BATFE: July 19
(124 days from purchase to approval)

Signed by Local Dealer: November 19
Signed by Owner: November 19
Signed by Police Chief: November 28
Approved by BATFE: February 7
(80 days from purchase to approval)

Signed by Local Dealer: May 8
Signed by Owner: May 8
Signed by Police Chief: May ?
Approved by BATFE: July 1
(54 days from purchase to approval)

Signed by Local Dealer: April 4
Signed by Owner: April 6
Signed by Police Chief: April 23
Approved by BATFE: May 16
(42 days from purchase to approval)

The first was 2003.
The second was 2005/2006.
The third was 2006.
And the fourth was 2007.

The average was 75 days per transaction. I currently have two From 4s being processed. Their information is:

Signed by Local Dealer: June 25
Signed by Owner: June 25
Signed by Police Chief: July 27 (Even they are slowing down)
Approved by BATFE: <span style="color: #FF0000">January 23, 2012 </span>
(211 days from purchase to approval)

I can only hope that somewhere along the way the BATFE gets more efficient and/or hires more examiners to do something about these long approval times.

[Rant off] Not yet but I did settle down a little bit.

Edited to add approval date.

 

[yfzjen]

Re: Form 4 wait time

The wait now begins for me. Dealer signed on 12/31/11, fingerprints and photos on 1/2/12, Chief of police signature on 1/3/12, and dropped in the mail for its journey 1/4/12. Dealer states roughly 4-5 months is the wait he's been seeing. So i'm hoping to have before the scorching Texas summer heat kicks in.

 

[LibertyArms]

Re: Form 4 wait time

I was so pumped whn i paid for it. Picked up a SAS Arbiter from the folks as mile high. Paid my local dealer on 10/28, still not ot my state yet i dont think. Does it usually take 2 months + to get to another state?

Ii was figuring on 3-4 months for the form 4, but fromt he posts here that may be a bit longer huh?

 

[DeauxJoe]

Re: Form 4 wait time

Is there anyway I can check the status of my form 4?

 

[bigrich20]

Re: Form 4 wait time

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DeauxJoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there anyway I can check the status of my form 4?</div></div> Yes u can call the the nfa at (304) 616-4500. You will have to have your serial number!

 

[c ward]

Re: Form 4 wait time

Talking with TBAC the other day and dealer to dealer is 45 plus days now , waiting on my 338BA to ship , and the local dealer said form 4's are at 6 months or longer . Going to keep getting worse since 2 examiners left and the rumor is there are no plans to replace them .