[FONT=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Suppressor Form-4
Submitted via e-forms: 31 Jan '14
Approved/emailed: 8 Jun '14[/FONT]
Submitted via e-forms: 31 Jan '14
Approved/emailed: 8 Jun '14[/FONT]
- June 9th, 2014: Called the ATF and they told me both my Silencers were approved April 1st, 2014!!! However, as of today, June 9th, 2014 my Dealer never got the Stamps from the ATF. The Dealer told me they are going to call the ATF today and see if they can get this sorted.
Got approved April 1st and My Local Gun Store had the Silencers all along! They were calling the wrong number.. not just that, but when I called to ask for a status 3 weeks ago, they said NOTHING. So I assumed it was just a ATF delay.
Octane 45 purchased: 04/28/14
Trust mailed: 05/02/14
Check cashed: 05/05/14
Pending: 05/09/14
When speaking to the gentleman at the BATF I was told to expect my suppressor around March 2015. While I'm pleased that everything has gone without a hitch and the suppressor went pending so quickly, I was not expecting an 11 month approval quote. I had judged approx 6-8 months from what I've seen on nfa tracker with the paper forms currently being approved and heard here on the hide. Granted my expectations might very well be unrealistic but has anyone else submitted their paperwork around this time and if so what approval time were you given.
Trust mailed: 05/02/14
Check cashed: 05/05/14
Pending: 05/09/14
When speaking to the gentleman at the BATF I was told to expect my suppressor around March 2015. While I'm pleased that everything has gone without a hitch and the suppressor went pending so quickly, I was not expecting an 11 month approval quote. I had judged approx 6-8 months from what I've seen on nfa tracker with the paper forms currently being approved and heard here on the hide. Granted my expectations might very well be unrealistic but has anyone else submitted their paperwork around this time and if so what approval time were you given.
that seems like a blanket statement with the wait times.
the cans i picked up yesterday, there was a guy that claimed he called 2 weeks ago and was told to expect his new toy in august. well, he picked it up yesterday. mine took 9 months from mail in date to in my hands.
the cans i picked up yesterday, there was a guy that claimed he called 2 weeks ago and was told to expect his new toy in august. well, he picked it up yesterday. mine took 9 months from mail in date to in my hands.
Yeah, they are just giving blanket quotes of 11-12 months from when it was received. In early April I was told July for my 22 can. It was approved on 26 April.
I was told on 27 May that my 308 can would be approved in August. I called 2 days later on a hunch, and was told it had been approved the 27th.
Form 4 Individual
Mailed 08/21/13
Pending 10/7/13
Approved 05/27/14
Form 4 Individual
Mailed 09/19/13
Pending 11/13/13
Approved 06/05/14
Mailed 08/21/13
Pending 10/7/13
Approved 05/27/14
Form 4 Individual
Mailed 09/19/13
Pending 11/13/13
Approved 06/05/14
QUESTION:
Can one of you explain this whole "pending" thing to me?
I sent in my first Form 4 in via a trust (submitted on paper through my friends at Mile High). Anyway, I can tell that my check was cashed on May 13th, 2014, because that's easy enough to see via my bank account records. I always just assumed that the cashing of the check meant that my application was pending. But, I see others on here mentioning a different "pending" date. So, what does all of that mean? And, how can I determine when my application went into its "pending" phase?
Obviously I know I'll be waiting a while, but I guess I'd like to understand a little bit more about the process involved in the good folks at the ATFE taking 1 year to complete a 2 minute background check… (sigh)
Can one of you explain this whole "pending" thing to me?
I sent in my first Form 4 in via a trust (submitted on paper through my friends at Mile High). Anyway, I can tell that my check was cashed on May 13th, 2014, because that's easy enough to see via my bank account records. I always just assumed that the cashing of the check meant that my application was pending. But, I see others on here mentioning a different "pending" date. So, what does all of that mean? And, how can I determine when my application went into its "pending" phase?
Obviously I know I'll be waiting a while, but I guess I'd like to understand a little bit more about the process involved in the good folks at the ATFE taking 1 year to complete a 2 minute background check… (sigh)
With a Form 4, you mail the paperwork to an ATF office in Atlanta. They take your paperwork, remove the check/MO and deposit it. Your forms are then sent to the ATF office in West Virginia for processing. Once the form arrives in WV and is processed, it gets assigned to an inspector's queue. Once it is assigned to a queue, it is in 'pending' status. That said, if you call the ATF and ask what inspector has your paperwork they may give you the wrong name. I was told my SDN-6 was bring handled by Al Lamberger, but it was signed off by Brittany Brown.
You can check the status of your forms, and get your pending date, by calling the ATF in West Virginia - 304-616-4500. You will need to give them your serial number, the name of the dealer you bought it from, and your name.
The main cause of the extended wait is simple backlog. Before some of the changes made a few weeks ago to help speed things up, the ATF was something like 80,000 forms behind. They received 199,900 forms last year for processing.
The current wait times from PENDING to APPROVED is running around 7 months. From the time your paperwork gets to Atlanta to the time it is PENDING is usually 4-8 weeks. Both of my Form 4s that have come back in the last 2 months were approved almost exactly 9 months after being received in Atlanta.
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I received stamps on 2 items June 3rd and 5th on individual form 1 and 4
SBR and Suppressor stamps came in 7 months after pending.
SBR and Suppressor stamps came in 7 months after pending.
Thanks. Backlog or not, I think you just gave a perfectly reasonable explanation of how perfectly unreasonable this system is
I mean, I know there's a backlog on the ATFE end, my gripe is mostly that there shouldn't be. We each pay our $200 stamp, sit back and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait… mostly because we're told that that's the way things are, and we don't really have any say in the matter. It just shouldn't be that way. A couple of 22 year olds fresh out of college could have designed a better, cheaper, and far more efficient system for processing the Form 4. But, we still have to assume that it's entirely reasonable for it to take 8-12 months for a 2 minute background check to be performed (and I absolutely guarantee that their background check takes no longer than that).
It took my agency less time to do my pre-employment background check, and they literally tracked down and spoke to roughly 100 people I've known (so far as I've been able to estimate it).
Preach on ..... LOL. Buy something every month then you have something coming in all the time then you don't notice the wait.
I sent in the last 2 items a month apart and they hit 3 days apart.
I sent in the last 2 items a month apart and they hit 3 days apart.
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^^^ jealous! The retailer I bought from should have efiled mine early Feb, but when batf couldn't find either of my serial numbers I contacted them - spring guns and ammo - they said they weren't able to and paper filed them without letting me know jack shit about what was going on. So mine should have been coming back this or next month, but not now. What a waste of $450 on the trust. :/
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i wouldn't say it was a waste of money for the trust. far from it. you can now at least put your family on it and have be able to have access to the items.
Yes not a total waste. But I was filing it in under my llc originally by paper, then decided to use trust and efile.
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Depends what you get for the money. I would agree if someone printed off forms from Quicken Willmaker but it if was handled by a trust attorney that took their time with the client going through various scenarios with co-trustees, successor trustees and beneficiary scenarios, it could easily be worth more than $450.
I have had one customer use a very lengthy trust that he worked through with his attorney for his kids and future grandkids that cost him $3,000 and he believes it was well worth it.
Darin
LoL nothing that elaborate, but yes drawn up by an atty. Pretty certain it's not just some quicken form. Wasted $$ because I did it specifically to efile. Had my paperwork at the CLEO, pulled it out, drew up trust and took everything to spring guns and ammo to efile only to learn they decided, without asking me, to paper file
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Picked up my 2 Mufflers Yesterday!
The actual Form-4 part took 9 months this time around. That is 9 months from check cashed (July 8th 2013) to Approved (April 1st, 2014). My last 4 NFA items all took 3-4 months (2008-2010).
Finally Home! 15 months from Time of Purchase! Form-3 Transfer took 4 months, 9 months for the Form-4, and it was sitting at my local dealer for another 2 months because they did not have my correct phone number!
Silencero .45 Osprey with Extra Piston for HK threading. XD45 Threaded barrel by Pistol Gear. HK45c threaded barrel is a Factory HK45c barrel.
On the HK45
On the XD45
YHM .308 Ti QD. Only 15 oz! That is half the weight of my YHM .308 SS muffler.
Stamp Collecting!
The actual Form-4 part took 9 months this time around. That is 9 months from check cashed (July 8th 2013) to Approved (April 1st, 2014). My last 4 NFA items all took 3-4 months (2008-2010).
Finally Home! 15 months from Time of Purchase! Form-3 Transfer took 4 months, 9 months for the Form-4, and it was sitting at my local dealer for another 2 months because they did not have my correct phone number!
Silencero .45 Osprey with Extra Piston for HK threading. XD45 Threaded barrel by Pistol Gear. HK45c threaded barrel is a Factory HK45c barrel.
On the HK45
On the XD45
YHM .308 Ti QD. Only 15 oz! That is half the weight of my YHM .308 SS muffler.
Stamp Collecting!
...trusts, corps, and llc=legal entities=no current requirement for cleo signoff/prints/photos=efile...not sure why you could not efile using your existing llc???
it is my impression that most decide to form a trust to acquire nfa items - rather than a corp or llc - since the corporate route requires more effort and $$ to maintain - such as filing yearly tax returns, license fees, etc....
2 cans on an individual form 4:
Pending 24 Oct
Approved 17 Jun!!!
My Air Force retirement ceremony is Fri, so happy retirement present to me!
Pending 24 Oct
Approved 17 Jun!!!
My Air Force retirement ceremony is Fri, so happy retirement present to me!
I sent in my paperwork in Oct of 13 and my stamp came in today. I had called two weeks ago and the lady told me I'd get it in October.
I had 2 come back last week.
Submitted Match 25 Approved June 11
Submitted April 1 Approved June 11.
Both were E-filed. Also received a form 1 I submitted in Feb. (I can't recall the exact day right now). So it looks like they are def batch approving.
But 2.5 months I can't complain about at all.
Submitted Match 25 Approved June 11
Submitted April 1 Approved June 11.
Both were E-filed. Also received a form 1 I submitted in Feb. (I can't recall the exact day right now). So it looks like they are def batch approving.
But 2.5 months I can't complain about at all.
Form 1 for a can build
-Check cashed 9-17-13
-Stamp in hand 6-14-17
-It only took them a week to cash my check- right at 9 months.... bullshit
-Check cashed 9-17-13
-Stamp in hand 6-14-17
-It only took them a week to cash my check- right at 9 months.... bullshit
AAC Cyclone & Surefire 556RC
Payment Sent: 10/30/2013
Checks Cashed: 11/05/2013
Pending: 12/10/2013
Approved: 06/22/2014
Stamp Received: 06/28/2014
Payment Sent: 10/30/2013
Checks Cashed: 11/05/2013
Pending: 12/10/2013
Approved: 06/22/2014
Stamp Received: 06/28/2014
In keeping with the spirit of sharing information:
Check cashed: Oct 24, 2013
Form stamped June 24th, 2014
Nickie Dudash- examiner
Stamps received: July 1st, 2014
2 TBAC's ( 223P-1 & 30P-1 ).
Check cashed: Oct 24, 2013
Form stamped June 24th, 2014
Nickie Dudash- examiner
Stamps received: July 1st, 2014
2 TBAC's ( 223P-1 & 30P-1 ).
Does anyone know how long it took from the time they were assigned an investigator to the time of approval took? I was just assigned Albert Lamberger. check cashed 2/10 pending 3/24. Form 4
Alan...... paper or efiled? Which state? (Can't see on tapatalk) Seems long for efile or pretty short for paper.
Damn, makes me jealous. Mine should have been efiled in Feb and it should be in my hot little hands too.
Just got a form 1 back to build a can.
eFiled/cashed - feb 10
Approved - July 5
I called about a month ago and said I shouldnt expect it till August. Looks like they are ahead of schedule.
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eFiled/cashed - feb 10
Approved - July 5
I called about a month ago and said I shouldnt expect it till August. Looks like they are ahead of schedule.
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who is the examiner? if you dont mind. I sent my form 4 trust paperwork in on Oct 20 2013. I am still waiting.
saker 556
efiled 3-5-14
approved 7-6-14
just got the call, going to pick up tonight.
EDIT
i had the wrong date originally. i had the 8th for submission.
efiled 3-5-14
approved 7-6-14
just got the call, going to pick up tonight.
EDIT
i had the wrong date originally. i had the 8th for submission.
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