Fuck me school shooting in Texas

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

You are assuming that they want a fix.
They,(gov) created the crisis for the sole purpose of exploiting it.

Constitutional carry would stop these things.


Bring back insane asylums and stop celebrating mental illness also

 

[Longshot231]

I'm not one to get running down rabbit trails. BUT shit like this is getting WAY too coincidental with political agendas. It's like they need something to distract from their attempts to rig elections.

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

My heart goes out to the victims and their families. The Survivors of this will never be the same. What a tragedy.

VooDoo

 

[Bullfrog08]

We had guns in our trucks at high school, no RSO, no locked doors, kids on pills, democrat Presidents, and no school shootings when I grew up.

The issue is everyone.....devolving society that glorifies this stuff. Celebrating gore, queers, tats, and all the other shit that creates an immoral society. 50% of conversations in this thread are prime examples. People have no respect for each other. I see it on the roads, in the stores, in forums, at work, everywhere.

I feel like the exposure electronics has brought us, is also destroying us. The worst of the worst is always in our face.

 

[Longshot231]

Listening to the radio now. Broadcaster says the the shooter was a member of the transgender crowd. No verification on this.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

As usual, I'll say something unpopular but something we need to think long and hard about.

We don't need armed guards at schools. Or armed teachers. Or turning children's childhoods into an armed camp at their places of learning and growth. Long term, that will be highly-detrimental to their ability to grow up in a free and open society.

What we DO need is for every community, state, county and locality to re-open and re-establish Asylums and places to incarcerate the criminally and mentally insane.

Instead, they get jacked up with drug cocktails, told they are special... and their oblivious parents demand that the little nutcases they spawned and raised.. get mainstreamed no matter how dangerous, handicapped, insane, and murderous they are.

We are a wealthy enough society that these places of confinement can be comfortable, safe, medically-supervised, etc. We don't have to go back to the old nasty asylums of 100 years ago. But they need to separate those with mental illness from the society that they can't cope with... and will destroy with zero understanding of what they are doing.

Their parents be damned. Their right to be the proud whelpers of a "Mainstreamed nutcase" ends when those nutcases kill the children of other Americans.

But removing firearms (and putting them in the hands of only government forces) is the goal of the left. And it's convenient to sacrifice hundreds of kids while promoting mental illness. So, there you go. They don't want a solution, they want an issue. And are working hard every single day to throw gasoline on that issue. By promoting mental illness and adding initials to their LGBTQMYZRPT 37 genders of mental illness masses.

We don't need 'gun' control. A few historical 'outlying' mass shootings aside, all this started when the 'compassionalte left' demanded mainstreaming of the mentally ill and the closing of mental hospitals.

We need retard control. Period.

Sirhr

 

[Maser]

We need retard control. Period.

While it's a very common sense approach to the problem, it doesn't set well with myself and other Libertarians because we do NOT want the government (especially the government nowadays) to decide who's retarded or not. Do you want the government deciding for you whether or not you're mentally stable enough to own guns? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for putting all the cuckoos back in their nest, but I am against the government deciding who the said cuckoos are.

 

[deersniper]

and their oblivious parents demand that the little nutcases they spawned and raised.. get mainstreamed no matter how dangerous, handicapped, insane, and murderous they are.

If and that’s a big if. If the Newtown shooting happened , his mother bought him the guns and enabled him.

Single mothers Strike again

More suffering from suffrage

 

[jrhtx]

DPS just reported that the grandmother is alive. No report of condition, just that she is alive.
Maybe she can provide some answers.

 

[BullGear]

We had guns in our trucks at high school, no RSO, no locked doors, kids on pills, democrat Presidents, and no school shootings when I grew up.

The issue is everyone.....devolving society that glorifies this stuff. Celebrating gore, queers, tats, and all the other shit that creates an immoral society. 50% of conversations in this thread are prime examples. People have no respect for each other. I see it on the roads, in the stores, in forums, at work, everywhere.

I feel like the exposure electronics has brought us, is also destroying us. The worst of the worst is always in our face.

We too had guns in our cars and trucks in high school. We had the opportunity to take our hunter safety course after school and got 1 credit for taking and passing the course. We also had many fist fights during and after school too. NO ONE EVER thought of getting their gun and taking care of business. We had our jocks, our geeks and just kids trying to find their place. No gun violence. How could that be???

 

[fj kins]

My prayers to the victim family
This shooters are suppose to be punished severely.

 

[MadDuner]

As usual, I'll say something unpopular but something we need to think long and hard about.

We don't need armed guards at schools. Or armed teachers. Or turning children's childhoods into an armed camp at their places of learning and growth. Long term, that will be highly-detrimental to their ability to grow up in a free and open society.

What we DO need is for every community, state, county and locality to re-open and re-establish Asylums and places to incarcerate the criminally and mentally insane.

Instead, they get jacked up with drug cocktails, told they are special... and their oblivious parents demand that the little nutcases they spawned and raised.. get mainstreamed no matter how dangerous, handicapped, insane, and murderous they are.

We are a wealthy enough society that these places of confinement can be comfortable, safe, medically-supervised, etc. We don't have to go back to the old nasty asylums of 100 years ago. But they need to separate those with mental illness from the society that they can't cope with... and will destroy with zero understanding of what they are doing.

Their parents be damned. Their right to be the proud whelpers of a "Mainstreamed nutcase" ends when those nutcases kill the children of other Americans.

But removing firearms (and putting them in the hands of only government forces) is the goal of the left. And it's convenient to sacrifice hundreds of kids while promoting mental illness. So, there you go. They don't want a solution, they want an issue. And are working hard every single day to throw gasoline on that issue. By promoting mental illness and adding initials to their LGBTQMYZRPT 37 genders of mental illness masses.

We don't need 'gun' control. A few historical 'outlying' mass shootings aside, all this started when the 'compassionalte left' demanded mainstreaming of the mentally ill and the closing of mental hospitals.

We need retard control. Period.

Sirhr

Unfortunately, a whole bunch of the insane people simply haven't done anything criminal yet. They are mentally unstable, but you can't lock them up until they commit a crime or prove to be a danger to themselves or others. Although, you can probably predict some of it coming.

 

[eastexsteve]

Constitutional carry would stop these things.

They have open carry in Texas. It still happened. It's the district administrators that won't allow teachers to carry. However, there are over 110 districts in Texas that do allow it.

 

[wade2big]

As usual, I'll say something unpopular but something we need to think long and hard about.

We don't need armed guards at schools. Or armed teachers. Or turning children's childhoods into an armed camp at their places of learning and growth. Long term, that will be highly-detrimental to their ability to grow up in a free and open society.

What we DO need is for every community, state, county and locality to re-open and re-establish Asylums and places to incarcerate the criminally and mentally insane.

Instead, they get jacked up with drug cocktails, told they are special... and their oblivious parents demand that the little nutcases they spawned and raised.. get mainstreamed no matter how dangerous, handicapped, insane, and murderous they are.

We are a wealthy enough society that these places of confinement can be comfortable, safe, medically-supervised, etc. We don't have to go back to the old nasty asylums of 100 years ago. But they need to separate those with mental illness from the society that they can't cope with... and will destroy with zero understanding of what they are doing.

Their parents be damned. Their right to be the proud whelpers of a "Mainstreamed nutcase" ends when those nutcases kill the children of other Americans.

But removing firearms (and putting them in the hands of only government forces) is the goal of the left. And it's convenient to sacrifice hundreds of kids while promoting mental illness. So, there you go. They don't want a solution, they want an issue. And are working hard every single day to throw gasoline on that issue. By promoting mental illness and adding initials to their LGBTQMYZRPT 37 genders of mental illness masses.

We don't need 'gun' control. A few historical 'outlying' mass shootings aside, all this started when the 'compassionalte left' demanded mainstreaming of the mentally ill and the closing of mental hospitals.

We need retard control. Period.

Sirhr

More government isn’t the answer to the problem government itself creates. Government leaders love events like these as they can steal more money and take away individual liberties and claim its for safety. More gov institutions and more men on the gov payroll is the exact opposite of what is needed.

Society is over regulated and vastly over policed which in turn protects criminals and mental cases from the good men within a population ever increasing their numbers. When its a crime to police your own, there will inherently be more criminals living among us. We live in an ever growing police state and as expected, things keep getting worse both from society and government authoritarianism.

Ron Paul: Freedom is not defined by safety. Freedom is defined by the ability of citizens to live without government interference. Government cannot create a world without risks, nor would we really wish to live in such a fictional place. Only a totalitarian society would even claim absolute safety as a worthy ideal, because it would require total state control over its citizens’ lives. Liberty has meaning only if we still believe in it when terrible things happen and a false government security blanket beckons.

 

[brianf]

some things the government will have to be involved in, no matter what we all want

these shootings are usually from mid / late teens, white-ish, single parent homes and a few more common "criteria"

its not, black, hispanic, chinese etc

and more specifically its never women of the same life circumstances

there are just as many messed up teen girls as teen males, and the girls walk right past the same weapon in their dads closet

the govt/school etc have to study how and why they lost that segment of the population...i have my own ideas of course

but, society has created a breeding ground for hatful / resentful white teens for a multitude of reasons and we are now paying the price

this will not go away easy

its a societal change that started in the mid 90's and might take just as long or longer to go away

 

[Longshot231]

It will be interesting to know what sort of criminal record the shooter had as a juvenile. These kids know that they can get lot's a free passes for their juvenile criminal activity before they turn 18.

Their records are sealed while they are under 18, unless they are bound over as adults in some capital cases. So after turning 18, they can pass the background check to purchase a firearm that was pushed for years ago.

How about leaving ALL juvenile criminal records unsealed?

Homosexuality, pedophilia and gender dysphoria have been declassified as mental illnesses with predicable results.

 

[billt]

Prescription for Mass Violence

With the increase in Rx SSRI antidepressants, mass shootings have also risen. Evidence shows many shooters were either taking or had recently taken SSRIs.

www.asralertsystems.com

Here are just some examples:

• 1989: Joseph T. Wesbecker walked into his former employer Standard Gravure Corp and shot 20 workers, killing nine. He had been taking Prozac for a month. This shooting led to a landmark case, where the survivors sued the makers of Prozac, Eli Lilly. Wesbecker used a semiautomatic Chinese AK-47-style firearm, a 9mm pistol, and a .38 Special snub nose revolver – all of which he purchased legally, passing his background check.
• 1995: Jarred Viktor was 15 when he was prescribed Paxil. Ten days after starting it, Viktor stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
• 1996: At 18, Kurt Danysh murdered his father just 17 days after being prescribed Prozac by his family doctor, who failed to do even one psychological test. During his police confession, Danysh told police the medication made him feel odd, “I just act differently. I don’t have the energy or personality I used to. I spend half the time in a trance.”
• 1997: Luke Woodham stabbed his mother, then traveled to Pearl High School, where he was enrolled, using a .30-30 to shoot two students and wounding six others; he was stopped by his assistant principal (aka a good guy with a gun) who used his own .45 ACP handgun to force Woodham’s surrender.
• 1998: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel shot both of his parents, then carried a 9mm handgun, .22 rifle, and a .22 pistol to his Thurston High School, where he murdered two classmates and injured 22 more, all while taking Prozac.
• 1999: Eric Harris, 17, with Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students, one teacher, himself, and wounded 23 others during the Columbine school shooting; he had been prescribed Zoloft and then Luvox before he used a 12 gauge shotgun received through a straw purchaser and a 9mm TEC-DC9.
• 2001: Christopher Pittman, a 12-year-old, was prescribed Zoloft, which caused him to become agitated, jittery, and experience tactile hallucinations; Pittman told psychiatrist Dr. Lanette Atkins that he heard voices telling him, “Kill, kill, do it, do it.” He took a .410 shotgun and shot his grandparents, then burned their house down.
• 2001: Andrea Yates drowned all five of her children. She was taking Effexor and was suffering from delusions about satanic possession. The murder of her children led Effexor to list homicidal thoughts in the medication’s side effects. Although it’s a rare side effect, manifesting in one in 1,000 patients, over 19 million prescriptions were written and filled in 2005. That’s an estimated 19,000 people suffering from homicidal thoughts because of the medication.
• 2005: 16-year-old Jeff Weise was taking 60 mg/day of Prozac, the highest dosage for adults, when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather's girlfriend, murdered 10 students at Red Lake, Minnesota, and wounded 12 more, before shooting himself. He was armed with a .40 caliber pistol, .22 pistol, and a 12 gauge shotgun.
• 2008: Steven Kazmierczak was prescribed Prozac, Xanax, and Ambien, a sleeping medication, three weeks before walking into Northern Illinois University, killing six people and wounding 21, with three pistols (one chambered in 9mm and two in .380 ACP) and a shotgun. Kazmierczak had stopped taking the antidepressant “because it made him feel like a zombie.”
• 2009: Two weeks after starting Lexapro, Robert Stewart walked into his estranged wife’s work at Pinelake Health and Rehab, and opened fire. He killed eight elderly patients and wounded three others. He doesn’t remember the incident.
• 2012: James Holmes, also known as the Batman Movie killer, was taking sertraline when he walked into the showing of The Dark Knight with two .40 caliber pistols, an AR-style .223 rifle, and a 12 gauge shotgun, killing 12 people and injuring 70 others. In his personal notebook, which he sent to his psychiatrist the same day as the shooting, shows that as the medication decreased his anxiety, he lost his fear of consequences. As the dosage became higher, his thoughts became more obsessive and psychotic.
• 2013: At the time of the Washington Navy Yard shooting, Aaron Alexis was a civilian contractor working at the yard and was prescribed trazodone, a serotonin antagonist and reuptake inhibitor (SARI) that works much like an SSRI to increase serotonin levels in the brain. He killed 12 people and injured eight others.
• 2014: Ivan Lopez was a 34-year-old U.S. soldier who shot 15 of his comrades, killing three of them, at his base in Fort Hood, Texas. He was undergoing mental health treatment through the Veterans’ Administration, which is known for over-prescribing medication. The VA confirmed that Lopez was taking antidepressants (the VA only uses SSRI antidepressants) during the time of the shooting and his subsequent suicide.
• 2015: From the moment it occurred, the Charleston Church shooting has been deemed an act of white supremacy, a race crime against blacks. But two years after Dylann Roof shot and killed nine people and injured another, the court released documents that show it was more mental health than hatred that led to the murders. The documents confirmed he was taking antidepressants.
• 2016: Arcan Cetin, who was just 20 years old, walked into the Cascade Mall where he shot and killed four women, one just a teen, and shot one man, who later died at the hospital. Records show that Cetin was under the care of a psychiatrist and taking medication for depression and ADHD, including Prozac.

Don't forget about singer Del Shannon, ("Runaway" and "Searching"), who was prescribed Prozac by his doctor for depression. After his career took off he threw it away because he was no longer depressed. 2 days later he blew his head off with a shotgun.

His wife said he NEVER had suicidal thoughts or actions. She sued the makers of Prozac for millions, and she received a large settlement, the amount of which was never disclosed.

 

[brianf]

Don't forget about singer Del Shannon, ("Runaway" and "Searching"), who was prescribed Prozac by his doctor for depression. After his career took off he threw it away because he was no longer depressed. 2 days later he blew his head off with a shotgun.

His wife said he NEVER had suicidal thoughts or actions. She sued the makers of Prozac for millions, and she received a large settlement, the amount of which was never disclosed.

i love runaway, one of my favorites


his tragedy mimics problems that plagues the pharma industry even to this day

not saying taking "mind pills" is a good idea or not, thats a different debate

but any drugs that have to do with your mind chems, protocols and monitoring have to be followed when on and "coming off"

you just cant just stop...or like above, things go haywire up in the brain

people think that taking a scrip cures them...

nope its a life long chemical that you now need to function or you can revert back to your original disposition which you didnt like in the first place

if your situation was tenable, you would have not gone to the doctor to begin with

so by taking a pill for a few months the patient thinks that their crappy job, family or lack of is different all of a sudden?

no, you just have a pill that helps you deal with it...situation is still the same and your mind cant deal with it anymore

you just cannot stop and start at will, and many patients do which then causes the underlying issues to worsen

of they go to the shrink and lie which only hurts you in the long run

the shrink knows your lying but they cannot force you to tell the truth, you have to want the help

its a detrimental cycle that many patients bring upon themselves more often than not

chemicals are only part of the solution

 

[W54/XM-388]

Agreed about the aftermath for a drunk driver.

If your BAC is > 0.08, then you are in violation of the law...end of story. I suppose that if you are < 0.08 and drunk, you may not get arrested. Where I live, they do a field sobriety test and if you fail that, you are also guilty regardless of the BAC level

Cite me a reference regulation that states otherwise

Once again we have folks begging for more brutal police control.
So "good folks" actually want to be convicted of a crime when the scientific evidence shows clearly someone is not guilty???
Because that's how you make people start getting justice on the streets.

Do I need to bring up a whole bunch of threads and cases with police falsely accusing people of drunk driving & ruining their lives and then saying, well tough when they got proven to be a lie?

Oh the police guy says you counted to 10 too fast so let's destroy your life.
(Yes actual case history)

How about I suddenly yank you out of a car and hit you over the head with a hammer and then tell you that you better balance on your tip toes while walking backwards and counting and if not, I'm doing to destroy your life? Because the last two times I got smacked in a car accident and my head hit the side window, it took 15 minutes or so before I could have proper balance.

The "field sobriety" tests are total B.S. that should only be allowed to be used as grounds for demanding a breath test or a trip to a competent hospital and waiting for a judge to issue a warranty for a blood test done NOT by the stupid police but by medical professionals.

Stupid boot lickers are all about "well you need to trust the judgment of the police". Those who actually read and are intelligent understand that you should trust the police as little as possible.

It's funny how stupid the "good" people are that they happily toss all their constitutional protections on the bonfire because oh well anything to save us from the horrible scourge of drunk drivers... Quite a few evil states are now so bad that you have more rights and proper due process if you go shoot up a school than if the police accuse you of being drink while driving.

Oh and then you get states where they want to arrest you for being drunk when you are walking from the hotel bar through the hotel to your room.

 

[MadDuner]

I want to know why the guy's vehicle was already full of holes and blown out windows before he got to the school to begin with?
How and why was the Border Patrol involved in this?

Like most of these shootings - the American public is fed JUST enough information to get them scared or pissed-off - but not enough to figure out what actually happened from start to finish.

 

[Rambo Sonny]

bad day

 

[Nik H]

Once again we have folks begging for more brutal police control.
So you actually want to be convicted of a crime when the scientific evidence shows you clearly are not guilty???
Because that's how you make people start getting justice on the streets.

Do I need to bring up a whole bunch of threads and cases with police falsely accusing people of drunk driving & ruining their lives and then saying, well tough when they got proven to be a lie?

Oh the police guy says you counted to 10 too fast so let's destroy your life.
(Yes actual case history)

How about I suddenly yank you out of a car and hit you over the head with a hammer and then tell you that you better balance on your tip toes while walking backwards and counting and if not, I'm doing to destroy your life? Because the last two times I got smacked in a car accident and my head hit the side window, it took 15 minutes or so before I could have proper balance.

The "field sobriety" tests are total B.S. that should only be allowed to be used as grounds for demanding a breath test or a trip to a competent hospital and waiting for a judge to issue a warranty for a blood test done NOT by the stupid police but by medical professionals.

Stupid boot lickers are all about "well you need to trust the judgment of the police". Those who actually read and are intelligent understand that you should trust the police as little as possible.

It's funny how stupid the "good" people are that they happily toss all their constitutional protections on the bonfire because oh well anything to save us from the horrible scourge of drunk drivers... Quite a few evil states are now so bad that you have more rights and proper due process if you go shoot up a school than if the police accuse you of being drink while driving.

Oh and then you get states where they want to arrest you for being drunk when you are walking from the hotel bar through the hotel to your room.

Try drinking less coffee

I am not advocating anything, especially more oversight from the man.

I was merely commenting on a previous post that I misinterpreted.

 

[BytorJr]

Don't forget about singer Del Shannon, ("Runaway" and "Searching"), who was prescribed Prozac by his doctor for depression. After his career took off he threw it away because he was no longer depressed. 2 days later he blew his head off with a shotgun.

His wife said he NEVER had suicidal thoughts or actions. She sued the makers of Prozac for millions, and she received a large settlement, the amount of which was never disclosed.

Wasn't Chris Cornell also on some type of anti-psychotic? Then managed to off himself in the hotel bathroom by hanging.

I think the picture above showing how many babies are MURDERED each day through abortion is telling. The left is going nuts about R-v-W; then the right and Constitutional minded folks need to stand their ground on 2A, period. 2A is in COTUS, specifically the only one that says "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" (no other amendment says that). However, as always, "Republicans" who no nothing of the Republic itself, and NRA whos job it is to supply homes and suits, will not fight this one.

For me this is another lesson...who can protect you? Answer...only yourself for the most part at any given instant in time. Sadly, their school board stacked the deck and decided no carry for teachers which MAY have either stopped the guy from going in all together or perhaps some brave soul would have fired back.

 

[Jigstick]

 

[Fig]

You can lay this one at the feet of the leftists during the Reagan years. They were referred to as the old 94/147 laws. Locking people up for being nuts was abolished because the leftists at the time determined that the dangerously insane had just as much right as anyone else to walk around free and unimpeded.

Not really fair, because Reagan and the Republicans were onboard with that (and even cosponsored legislation). The whole Willowbrook Expose and a couple of hell holes in Ohio, that were exposed by media, for about a year was the impetus for abolishing almost all state mental hospitals, even though those in the East were the primary abusers.

Perfect example of OLD instututions run without oversight that ended up exploiting the vulnerable people they were supposed to help/protect/contain.

I have to say, that letting them all run loose is a worse idea.

 

[MadDuner]

Not really fair, because Reagan and the Republicans were onboard with that (and even cosponsored legislation). The whole Willowbrook Expose and a couple of hell holes in Ohio, that were exposed by media, for about a year was the impetus for abolishing almost all state mental hospitals, even though those in the East were the primary abusers.

Perfect example of OLD instututions run without oversight that ended up exploiting the vulnerable people they were supposed to help/protect/contain.

I have to say, that letting them all run loose is a worse idea.

The leftist plan is to lock up and destroy all who oppose their agenda, and pretend that their mentally unstable voter's base is the new normal.

 

[BytorJr]

Once again we have folks begging for more brutal police control.
So "good folks" actually want to be convicted of a crime when the scientific evidence shows clearly someone is not guilty???
Because that's how you make people start getting justice on the streets.

Do I need to bring up a whole bunch of threads and cases with police falsely accusing people of drunk driving & ruining their lives and then saying, well tough when they got proven to be a lie?

Oh the police guy says you counted to 10 too fast so let's destroy your life.
(Yes actual case history)

How about I suddenly yank you out of a car and hit you over the head with a hammer and then tell you that you better balance on your tip toes while walking backwards and counting and if not, I'm doing to destroy your life? Because the last two times I got smacked in a car accident and my head hit the side window, it took 15 minutes or so before I could have proper balance.

The "field sobriety" tests are total B.S. that should only be allowed to be used as grounds for demanding a breath test or a trip to a competent hospital and waiting for a judge to issue a warranty for a blood test done NOT by the stupid police but by medical professionals.

Stupid boot lickers are all about "well you need to trust the judgment of the police". Those who actually read and are intelligent understand that you should trust the police as little as possible.

It's funny how stupid the "good" people are that they happily toss all their constitutional protections on the bonfire because oh well anything to save us from the horrible scourge of drunk drivers... Quite a few evil states are now so bad that you have more rights and proper due process if you go shoot up a school than if the police accuse you of being drink while driving.

Oh and then you get states where they want to arrest you for being drunk when you are walking from the hotel bar through the hotel to your room.

"Oh the police guy says you counted to 10 too fast so let's destroy your life." - This sir, I have witnessed second hand on the DUI trial I was on. They asked the officer why he thought he was drunk: "well, he counted to 30 (seconds) in 28 seconds according to my watch, he was way fast and thus we thought he was impaired." Or the "Yes, I ran over and opened his door (mind you in plain clothes because he was going to his shift at the PD), most likely without announcing who he was, and pulled the "drunk" out. He was driving like madman at 70-75 mph (60 was posted speed on 183 in DFW by airport...drive less than 75 you'd be run over). All made up shit as far as I could tell. I could go on, but it was more of the same...heresay and made up exergerated behavior because none of it was congruent in the time-line.

Loved the station video where he refused breath test, refused to sign their paperwork despite being told he "had to", and demanded an attorney, all without swaying one bit, without slurring a single word.

Was the guy drunk? Who knows. I feel sure he'd had more than the 2-3 beers at the golfing event he was at; but the state couldn't produce shit. Even the actual arresting officer (who was in a car next to "drunk" when off duty opened door) didn't witness the sobriety tests, she let off duty guy do it. It was an absolute textbook case of how rights are not trampled on, but simply get tossed out the door.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

So this motherfucking 18 year old unemployed incel who lives with his grandmother somehow owns 2 rifles priced at $2000 for the DDM4-V7 and at least $1000 for the other one respectively... And I am supposed to believe that? And on top of that, the FBI has been caught trying to groom and recruit mentally unstable individuals in the recent past for carrying out violent politically motivated acts...

 

[deersniper]

these shootings are usually from mid / late teens, white-ish, single parent homes and a few more common "criteria"

Do you get any subject right ?

 

[The King]

Not really fair, because Reagan and the Republicans were onboard with that (and even cosponsored legislation). The whole Willowbrook Expose and a couple of hell holes in Ohio, that were exposed by media, for about a year was the impetus for abolishing almost all state mental hospitals, even though those in the East were the primary abusers.

Perfect example of OLD instututions run without oversight that ended up exploiting the vulnerable people they were supposed to help/protect/contain.

I have to say, that letting them all run loose is a worse idea.

A good summary. And to add to this the abusers mostly centered around population density.

A mental health facility with 1,000,000 feeding it was extremely dissimilar to a place with 100,000 feeding it. And the budgets for the two places were far too close to each other.

I think another reason for the closure frankly was the intractability of severe mental health problems. People look at someone who is causing themselves self harm / screaming all the time / etc and its like watching a puppy caught in a bear trap. And people keep screaming at the trees to "DO SOMETHING!" and thats just not the right tool for the job. There is no right tool for the job.

 

[brianf]

until there are roadside tests, via equipment for every and all "drugs" which are universally agreed upon to cause impairment we will have cops conducting field sobriety tests.

once there is a human involved mistakes or foul play can be had

just the way it is

 

[deersniper]

its not, black, hispanic, chinese etc

and more specifically its never women of the same life circumstances

Wrong

 

[brianf]

Do you get any subject right ?

View attachment 7877198

if you dive in to the numbers pertaining to mass shootings like what just happened are not the same as gang activity or 3 people shot and 1 bystander by mistake.

really funny site to read now and then

Chicago Crime, Murder & Mayhem | Criminal Infographics | HeyJackass!

Illustrating the Chicago Values of Crime, Murder & Mayhem with comprehensive charts, precise graphs and exhaustive data sets of Chicago stupidity.

heyjackass.com

those numbers are not the same type as texas

 

[MadDuner]

So this motherfucking 18 year old unemployed incel who lives with his grandmother somehow owns 2 rifles priced at $2000 for the DDM4-V7 and at least $1000 for the other one respectively... And I am supposed to believe that? And on top of that, the FBI has been caught trying to groom and recruit mentally unstable individuals in the recent past for carrying out violent politically motivated acts...

I believe your theory has merit and deserves a thorough investigation by somebody other than the FBI, DOJ, or ATF.
The state of Texas should be looking at this carefully.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

I believe your theory has merit and deserves a thorough investigation by somebody other than the FBI, DOJ, or ATF.
The state of Texas should be looking at this carefully.

This one has Las Vegas vibes all over it. As soon as that gigantic pane of hurricane glass in that hotel room was shown to be removed, I was immediately like "whoah hold da fuck up right there"... More red flags than a friggin' commie military parade...

 

[brianf]

Wrong

so your right and the department of justice is wrong

dont let skin color blind you to facts, which seems to happen often

"Some of the common traits that these types of killers share are white male, student, rural or suburban settings, middle class background, disenfranchised, interest in internet and computer games, and interest in weaponry."

 

[Feniks Technologies]

I want to know why the guy's vehicle was already full of holes and blown out windows before he got to the school to begin with?
How and why was the Border Patrol involved in this?

Like most of these shootings - the American public is fed JUST enough information to get them scared or pissed-off - but not enough to figure out what actually happened from start to finish.

There’s a Border Patrol Station and checkpoint in that town.

When something serious like this happens, it’s all hands on deck.

There were BORTAC agents (local team I believe. The national team is equivalent of FBI HRT) close enough to respond.

That’s the reason Border Patrol was involved. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[BytorJr]

So this motherfucking 18 year old unemployed incel who lives with his grandmother somehow owns 2 rifles priced at $2000 for the DDM4-V7 and at least $1000 for the other one respectively... And I am supposed to believe that? And on top of that, the FBI has been caught trying to groom and recruit mentally unstable individuals in the recent past for carrying out violent politically motivated acts...

And look how many things are on the DDM4 they'd want to ban. Adjustable stock, EoTech, 30 round mags, front grip. Look how the EoTech is set, as well - Like it should be (for most folks anyway, looking at you Mr. Astigmatism). I call BS on this too. I still say high likelihood Alphabeti involved somehow.

 

[MadDuner]

so your right and the department of justice is wrong

dont let skin color blind you to facts, which seems to happen often

"Some of the common traits that these types of killers share are white male, student, rural or suburban settings, middle class background, disenfranchised, interest in internet and computer games, and interest in weaponry."

As opposed to the other type of killers that aren't white, live in cities or suburban settings, and have the internet, computer games and steal guns?

 

[MadDuner]

There’s a Border Patrol Station and checkpoint in that town.

When something serious like this happens, it’s all hands on deck.

There were BORTAC agents (local team I believe. The national team is equivalent of FBI HRT) close enough to respond.

That’s the reason Border Patrol was involved. Nothing more, nothing less.

OK, that makes perfect sense....
But I question the part about the car chase?
What about the report that his vehicle was already shot up?
Did the shooter try to escape again in his vehicle after the shooting - turning it into a chase and maybe the timeline is confused?

 

[Californio]

Don't forget about singer Del Shannon, ("Runaway" and "Searching"), who was prescribed Prozac by his doctor for depression. After his career took off he threw it away because he was no longer depressed. 2 days later he blew his head off with a shotgun.

His wife said he NEVER had suicidal thoughts or actions. She sued the makers of Prozac for millions, and she received a large settlement, the amount of which was never disclosed.

I had a buddy, passed away from cancer, he had a finance that was carjacked and killed by a 18 year old homeless nut job, the DR gave him Prozac, he flushed the stuff because it made him think of suicide. Dangerous stuff. He went on to marry and have three kids before the grim reaper came a calling.

 

[Feniks Technologies]

OK, that makes perfect sense....
But I question the part about the car chase?
What about the report that his vehicle was already shot up?
Did the shooter try to escape again in his vehicle after the shooting - turning it into a chase and maybe the timeline is confused?

That part I do not know for sure. Communication on things like this in the first 24-48hrs is a shit show.

You can be on the scene and have different info than someone 300yds away from you.

Multiple agencies, multiple communication frequencies, and media/public demanding answers.

It’s an absolute shit show of chaos.

 

[brianf]

As opposed to the other type of killers that aren't white, live in cities or suburban settings, and have the internet, computer games and steal guns?

yes

we arent talking about gang activity, spouse, or random shootings on this thread

this was not a killing of bloods vs ms13 about a street corner or revenge killing etc

this a specific type of event

 

[MadDuner]

That part I do not know for sure. Communication on things like this in the first 24-48hrs is a shit show.

You can be on the scene and have different info than someone 300yds away from you.

Multiple agencies, multiple communication frequencies, and media/public demanding answers.

It’s an absolute shit show of chaos.

It will be interesting to see if somewhere somehow the facts and timeline become clearer?

 

[MadDuner]

yes

we arent talking about gang activity, spouse, or random shootings on this thread

this was not a killing of bloods vs ms13 about a street corner or revenge killing etc

this a specific type of event

I certainly get that. Every type of event gets broken into smaller categories so that the data can be used to make or break an argument.... then gets mixed all back together to create a statistic they want to use.

 

[Feniks Technologies]

OK, that makes perfect sense....
But I question the part about the car chase?
What about the report that his vehicle was already shot up?
Did the shooter try to escape again in his vehicle after the shooting - turning it into a chase and maybe the timeline is confused?

My current understanding is:

-he shot his grandmother
-he took off and crashed his vehicle into the school grounds (vehicle in ditch)
-he advanced from the vehicle to the school and exchanged gunfire with an ISD (Texas gas school districts and those have their own police that basically have same authority as regular police)

So, that, as far as I know at the moment is how the vehicle ended up there and was shot.

 

[deersniper]

if you dive in to the numbers pertaining to mass shootings like what just happened are not the same as gang activity or 3 people shot and 1 bystander by mistake.

really funny site to read now and then

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those numbers are not the same type as texas

 

[Feniks Technologies]

He was wearing body armor and it appears the first ISD officer was unable to take him down before he was able to enter the school.

Uvalde is not a large town. So every agency within a few minutes was likely on scene and after the subject fairly quick.

Unfortunately, it doesn’t take long for a motivated criminal to inflict damage in this scenario.

 

[BytorJr]

It will be interesting to see if somewhere somehow the facts and timeline become clearer?

Facts? Hmmmm...I doubt we shall ever know the facts. We'll have the made-up facts the press/propaganda/Ministry of Truth wants us to know.

 

[deersniper]

so your right and the department of justice is wrong