Yes, and I started a thread back then to warn folks to keep an eye on it. Not sure which version I’m on now but I have upgraded every time I’ve been prompted. Not sure if it’s been fixed but I only had it happen the one time and I only lost one shot because I caught it in time.
Garmin Xero C1 Pro chronograph
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Its happened twice on separate occasions. I'm on version 3.21. Haven't been out with it since the latest software update.
I have a wish for the next upgrade: It should be possible to choose that charging the battery stops at 80%.
It will increase battery life on the unit. For now, I try to stop charging when it gets to that level...
It will increase battery life on the unit. For now, I try to stop charging when it gets to that level...
Well, that's what it did before, and if you don't catch it you will miss the next shot (like i did). If that is the "upgrade" it doesn't address the problem.
I was in the middle of a 5-shot ELR string, writing down each MV on my data sheet as I went so I could compare it to the impacts at distance. I fired a shot (let's say it was #3 in the string), wrote down the MV and marked the impact on my sheet. I fired #4 and after spotting the impact I went to record the MV. When I looked at the Garmin I saw the prompt to Update or Cancel. I hit Cancel, but there was no recording for #4). The prompt came up after I wrote down #3 and before I fired #4. I missed the prompt, and as a result the Garmin missed #4. If I wasn't checking the Garmin every shot I could have lost a number of shots in a longer string.
The only worthwhile "fix" would be to not ask about updates when the Session is active. I mean, It's stupid to do that anyway. I think it was Bill Murray in "Ghostbusters" who said, "Not now Ray, I'm BUSY!!"
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Got mine yesterday and took it to the range today. 66 shots and not a single unrecorded shot. But I did notice something. The OK button needs to be pressed much harder than the rest of the buttons for it to function. Anyone else has that issue or is that normal?
Sort of... You have yours sitting on a padded mat, as do I. The OK button is on the far left. When I press it, it has the effect of trying to tilt the unit by compressing the left leg into the mat, so using the same amount of pressing force on it results in some of it getting absorbed by the mat vs transferred directly to the button. Holding the Garmin solidly in my hand, the buttons all take the same amount of force, but sitting on a padded mat the OK button has to be pressed harder to overcome the compression/absorption of the mat. The buttons in the center don't have this issue because you're putting the force on the center of the unit and all three legs are supporting it evenly (less mat compression). The DOWN button on the far right probably behaves similarly to the OK button if you press it with the unit on the mat, but I haven't noticed that because I rarely press that button when the unit is on the mat recording shots.
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Thanks. Mine has the same issue even when when it's out of the tripod and in my hands. The OK button is definitely harder to press than the rest. Also the other buttons have a tactile/audible click when pressed but OK doesn't.
Might want to start a warranty action if its that unusually hard to press.
By the by, love your Vision chassis....just got one recently and will build a rifle on it. They are just wonderful.
Actually, I want to amend my statement in my last post. You made me realize he said "much harder", and I only read it as "harder". If it's really MUCH harder, then yes I'd initiate a warranty action.
At risk of hijacking this thread....eh, I'm about to burn the Proof SS barrel out on the Seekins Havak action gun. The Deviant/Bartlein rifle is still going strong and is what I had up at Mifflin last year.
When that happens, I'll send it in to Seekins for their free product improvement upgrade and will either sell it or build a deer rifle with it as I'm not happy with my late model Remington 5R SS Gen 2 (love those long names..sigh). I put a Jewel trigger in it and a KMW comb kit but the barrel sucks, in my limited opinion. I could rebarrel the 700 but the whole frakin' rifle only cost $1k.
Then I bought a CDG action from @GBMaryland (he had extras? haha) and...well, I bought a complete Vision chassis from him also as he didn't like the Cerakote color (picky, picky but..well yeah, rifles are a fashion accessory after all haha) He wanted AI blue...came out more like Cobalt/Titanium blue sort of...which I like a LOT. So, I might pull one of my BA's out of the JAE this summer and put it in the Vision or wait until I get the CDG BA done. I have the barrel blank in hand. I'm not rushing on the CDG rifle as I'm trying to live on a budget for the first time in my life! haha
Anyway, long explanation.
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Finally had a chance to get mine out to the range for the first time. I used it on both my Vudoo .22 and my 6GT. I ran 15 rounds through the 6GT and it failed to read one shot. When using it on the Vudoo, it registered two shots that were actually fail to fire rounds. It would register about 250 FPS for those two rounds. I don't think I've read anyone posting about that. Maybe I've missed it. It was rifle mounted for both rifles.
My only real complaint is that you can't have it read Min, Max, SD, ES and Average velocity on the same screen. I had to go into the settings to get. I would be happy to just have Min, Max, SD, and Average as I can easily calculate ES with those reading.
My only real complaint is that you can't have it read Min, Max, SD, ES and Average velocity on the same screen. I had to go into the settings to get. I would be happy to just have Min, Max, SD, and Average as I can easily calculate ES with those reading.
Session "Summary" shows Min, Max, Avg, ES, and SD all on one screen. Am I misunderstanding what you meant?
Of course, it won't do that when the session is actively recording shots - then it only reads the current shot and the shot number.
Send that remington into LRI: https://www.longriflesinc.com/products/group-buy-remington-m700-accurizing-barreling-coating-service
Mine has been flawless on rifles( sun and supersonic) and bows.
It missed a few shots this weekend from my 20 gauge turkey gun. I might have had it pointed wrong ( I was shooting down a slope but the table was level).
Not the end of the world. I propped the ba l leg up on the case and it picked up most of the rest of the shots. Shooting tungsten so I don’t know if that affects it.
I still think it the best chrome I have been around.
It missed a few shots this weekend from my 20 gauge turkey gun. I might have had it pointed wrong ( I was shooting down a slope but the table was level).
Not the end of the world. I propped the ba l leg up on the case and it picked up most of the rest of the shots. Shooting tungsten so I don’t know if that affects it.
I still think it the best chrome I have been around.
The Brownells forever guarantee worked for me. Sent the Labradar that I purchased in 2018 back and my Garmin is on the way.
I realize that, I'm speaking to the screen on the unit while taking shots.
Q1 is over right? Anxiously waiting for the silicon cover. Otherwise hoping Pelican, Otterbox etc jump on this ship!
Used mine in a tunnel range last night. 4’ concrete culvert, 100 yards. Didn’t miss a shot. Amazing. Labgaydar didn’t work AT ALL in the tunnel.
Stupid question. I have been using Garmin for a few sessions now and have a stupid question. When taking the average speed for use in a calculator like Strelok Pro or Shooter do you average the muzzle velocity speed from each session or just use the most recent muzzle velocity average? So far I have been combining the average from each session and dividing by the number of sessions to getva muzzle velocity for the app. I do wish you could go back and add more shots to a previous session. Other than that I have no complaints about the Garmin.
In my humble opinion I would take the average if all else was equal.
But sometimes the difference in the average between different shooting sessions is due to a cold board or a clean board or a temperature difference between the sessions. If there is a clear difference in another variable between sessions, I would use whatever session was most applicable to a different shooting situation and apply to that.
But sometimes the difference in the average between different shooting sessions is due to a cold board or a clean board or a temperature difference between the sessions. If there is a clear difference in another variable between sessions, I would use whatever session was most applicable to a different shooting situation and apply to that.
Take the median of the extreme spread from all combined groups. A side note, if temps are relatively consistent and all other load data is the same, avg velocity should remain relatively constant. However as sample size increases, the es will likely grow. If velocity continues to climb session after session there could be something else happening.
The temperatures were within 10 degrees of each other for the 4 sessions. I am only using factory ammo on this rifle at the moment.
Okay factory ammo will have some variations especially if not within the same lots.
I finally broke down and ordered mine last night after reading all the great reviews. My chrony is so old it doesn't even have an app, or any export capabilities.
Quick question.
I ended a session and the Xero automatically uploaded that session to Shotview on my phone.
I deleted that session off my phone.
The session is still in my Xero's history. Is there any way to upload that session to my phone again so I can convert to .CSV?
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I ended a session and the Xero automatically uploaded that session to Shotview on my phone.
I deleted that session off my phone.
The session is still in my Xero's history. Is there any way to upload that session to my phone again so I can convert to .CSV?
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Quick response...
Currently, if a session is synced from the Xero C1 to the ShotView app but then deleted from the app, it will not sync back to the app from the C1.
Thank you for choosing Garmin,
Steven
Product Support
Garmin International
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Currently, if a session is synced from the Xero C1 to the ShotView app but then deleted from the app, it will not sync back to the app from the C1.
Thank you for choosing Garmin,
Steven
Product Support
Garmin International
BugIn
That’s one shortcoming of the Garmin, it stores precious few data strings before it tells you it’s full.
i new to chrono's and my first was a magnetospeed v3. had some shots that wouldnt clock but normally pretty good.
picked up a xero c1 last week and noticed it clocked faster on 2 of my 308 loads by 100 fps and 75fps BUT it was spot on with the 223 ammo tested.
i figure it was the magnetospeed being off because sometimes it would come loose and not read. glad to have the xero since the v3 seemed hard to get tight to the barrel and it works with everything. i have some rifles with rails out to the end of the barrel and am not interested in setting up an old school chrono.
picked up a xero c1 last week and noticed it clocked faster on 2 of my 308 loads by 100 fps and 75fps BUT it was spot on with the 223 ammo tested.
i figure it was the magnetospeed being off because sometimes it would come loose and not read. glad to have the xero since the v3 seemed hard to get tight to the barrel and it works with everything. i have some rifles with rails out to the end of the barrel and am not interested in setting up an old school chrono.
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Yes, you can pull session files directly off the Garmin and dump into a computer directory.
The problem is that they are not .CSV files. They are some weird Autocad raster file that is unreadable. They get converted to .CSV files when the unit auto dumps from your phone as an email.
Right now if your session doesn't autodump into Shotview you can still see the data on the Xeros.
I have hope that may change because the Garmin guy did say "currently".
Still better than anything else by a long shot.
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The problem is that they are not .CSV files. They are some weird Autocad raster file that is unreadable. They get converted to .CSV files when the unit auto dumps from your phone as an email.
Right now if your session doesn't autodump into Shotview you can still see the data on the Xeros.
I have hope that may change because the Garmin guy did say "currently".
Still better than anything else by a long shot.
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Just got in from vacation. Haven't had time to get to the range with it, but had to play with it. It clocked the salt from a freaking bug assault. It's a wild time to be alive.
Wow....
Just got back from my first trip to the range with my Xero. This is my first chrono so nothing to compare it to. So simple and easy to use, and that says a lot coming from me LOL. Did 5 round samples of the 10 different 223/556 cartridges I have. Still have to sit down and sort through, but found some interesting observations as I was shooting.
edit: just downloaded a session from my phone via email, downloaded it and pulled it up in excel. Can't get much easier than what I experienced.
Just got back from my first trip to the range with my Xero. This is my first chrono so nothing to compare it to. So simple and easy to use, and that says a lot coming from me LOL. Did 5 round samples of the 10 different 223/556 cartridges I have. Still have to sit down and sort through, but found some interesting observations as I was shooting.
edit: just downloaded a session from my phone via email, downloaded it and pulled it up in excel. Can't get much easier than what I experienced.
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But do you reload? Serious bug smashers reload and do ladder tests and use tuners and whatnot.Just got in from vacation. Haven't had time to get to the range with it, but had to play with it. It clocked the salt from a freaking bug assault. It's a wild time to be alive.
Just got in from vacation. Haven't had time to get to the range with it, but had to play with it. It clocked the salt from a freaking bug assault. It's a wild time to be alive.
Iodized or non-iodized salt?
The real question is Himalayan pink or not?
Did that 50 million year old salt have an expiration date on it?
Oh I get it. Sort of like 000 buck versus 00 buck. Ingenious! Bravo sir!
Yep, pretty much. I've heard cornmeal works great too. Gonna try that next.
It doesn't use a laser. It's a Doppler chronograph.
Are you asking if you can move it around between different guns? Yes, you can.
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