Thanks for posting. Ordered and received from Amazon the other day. Fits a little snug but works fine.This one's a bit better. Fits nice and snug and half the price. If you want a case for just the unit (no tripod), a GoPro travel case should work.
Amazon product ASIN B01E70SBB8
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Garmin Xero C1 Pro chronograph
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I just got a Garmin the other day and was comparing it yesterday side by side to my Labradar. The Labradar was being a pain in the ass and didn't pick up a shot till the 8th (of 20) but the Garmin was slower across every shot, as little as 3fps and as much as 11fps slower. What was strange (to me) was that the difference was not at all consistent. When I first got my LR years ago I compared it directly to my Magnetospeed and there was 2 or so fps every shot, but it was consistent. At the end of the day, the Garmin picked up a bunch of shots the LR dropped and the average difference was 7fps so really inconsequential until you're hitting subsonic ranges so I'm happy with the Garmin. The erratic differences are kind of weird though...
Just curious, did you have the Garmin placed within the specified location (5-15 in from the muzzle, and 5-15 in lateral to the side)? When I ran my side x side tests with the Garmin and LR, I got very close, consistent results (within 3-4 fps of each other), but I do believe the Garmin reading was consistently a couple fps slower than the LR.
I have done the same with my Labradar and Garmin and I got pretty much the same numbers across the board other than the Garmin giving the speed to the tenth.
With making sure you are setting up the the Garmin correctly also make sure the settings in the Labradar are correct for you setup as well. If you are 6" from the barrel make sure that offset in the Labradar is set to 6" and not 12" or 18".
Yup, had it setup in the correct spot. Garmin was on left side of rifle, LR on right, both same spacing from the rifle (albeit on opposite sides).
I'll have to check what the offset is set to in my LR, I've never tinkered with that setting in the 5+ years I've had it.
I've ran a test also comparing a couple Labradars, a MagnetoSpeed and my Garmin all at the same time. Each varied some between each other and typically 2 to 3 fps. There was an outlier of 6 ft per second, but nothing more. I figured, 2 to 3 fps, though slower, it's really good with the speeds being recorded.
One of the things I know about how radar works, the angle that the radar's pulses sends out and returns makes a difference. The more the angle, the slower the recording, from what I've observed. Maybe I can test this issue using mly MagnetoSpeed vs Garmin???
I bought mine Monday and used everyday putting 150 rds over the garmin between me my buddy and dad. Miss one shot because of the update at the time I shot other than that 100%. Shot 31 inch barrel suppressed some with brake works amazing. We have shot at some decent angles and no problems picking up shots. I just use it on the tripod and don't think I will buy a mount because it works so good on tripod. The box works great for now to protect
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Cosine error will be small IF you can point to within a couple degrees (about the limit for visual alignment without some aid).
Cosine of 2 degrees is less than 0.1% MINUS error.
Larger lateral placement off to the side will give reading 3 to 5 yards down range from the Antenna instead of 2 to 3.
The placement guide shows a 5" X 5" to 15" X 15" from the muzzle.
That's a line that gives the same beam angle but about a foot difference in range
Cosine error will be small IF you can point to within a couple degrees (about the limit for visual alignment without some aid).
Cosine of 2 degrees is less than 0.1% MINUS error.
Larger lateral placement off to the side will give reading 3 to 5 yards down range from the Antenna instead of 2 to 3.
The placement guide shows a 5" X 5" to 15" X 15" from the muzzle.
That's a line that gives the same beam angle but about a foot difference in range
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Anybody have theirs randomly want to run updates in the middle of string and not record the shots?
Yes, and I started a thread back then to warn folks to keep an eye on it. Not sure which version I’m on now but I have upgraded every time I’ve been prompted. Not sure if it’s been fixed but I only had it happen the one time and I only lost one shot because I caught it in time.
Its happened twice on separate occasions. I'm on version 3.21. Haven't been out with it since the latest software update.
I have a wish for the next upgrade: It should be possible to choose that charging the battery stops at 80%.
It will increase battery life on the unit. For now, I try to stop charging when it gets to that level...
It will increase battery life on the unit. For now, I try to stop charging when it gets to that level...
Well, that's what it did before, and if you don't catch it you will miss the next shot (like i did). If that is the "upgrade" it doesn't address the problem.
I was in the middle of a 5-shot ELR string, writing down each MV on my data sheet as I went so I could compare it to the impacts at distance. I fired a shot (let's say it was #3 in the string), wrote down the MV and marked the impact on my sheet. I fired #4 and after spotting the impact I went to record the MV. When I looked at the Garmin I saw the prompt to Update or Cancel. I hit Cancel, but there was no recording for #4). The prompt came up after I wrote down #3 and before I fired #4. I missed the prompt, and as a result the Garmin missed #4. If I wasn't checking the Garmin every shot I could have lost a number of shots in a longer string.
The only worthwhile "fix" would be to not ask about updates when the Session is active. I mean, It's stupid to do that anyway. I think it was Bill Murray in "Ghostbusters" who said, "Not now Ray, I'm BUSY!!"
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Got mine yesterday and took it to the range today. 66 shots and not a single unrecorded shot. But I did notice something. The OK button needs to be pressed much harder than the rest of the buttons for it to function. Anyone else has that issue or is that normal?
Sort of... You have yours sitting on a padded mat, as do I. The OK button is on the far left. When I press it, it has the effect of trying to tilt the unit by compressing the left leg into the mat, so using the same amount of pressing force on it results in some of it getting absorbed by the mat vs transferred directly to the button. Holding the Garmin solidly in my hand, the buttons all take the same amount of force, but sitting on a padded mat the OK button has to be pressed harder to overcome the compression/absorption of the mat. The buttons in the center don't have this issue because you're putting the force on the center of the unit and all three legs are supporting it evenly (less mat compression). The DOWN button on the far right probably behaves similarly to the OK button if you press it with the unit on the mat, but I haven't noticed that because I rarely press that button when the unit is on the mat recording shots.
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Thanks. Mine has the same issue even when when it's out of the tripod and in my hands. The OK button is definitely harder to press than the rest. Also the other buttons have a tactile/audible click when pressed but OK doesn't.
Might want to start a warranty action if its that unusually hard to press.
By the by, love your Vision chassis....just got one recently and will build a rifle on it. They are just wonderful.
Actually, I want to amend my statement in my last post. You made me realize he said "much harder", and I only read it as "harder". If it's really MUCH harder, then yes I'd initiate a warranty action.
At risk of hijacking this thread....eh, I'm about to burn the Proof SS barrel out on the Seekins Havak action gun. The Deviant/Bartlein rifle is still going strong and is what I had up at Mifflin last year.
When that happens, I'll send it in to Seekins for their free product improvement upgrade and will either sell it or build a deer rifle with it as I'm not happy with my late model Remington 5R SS Gen 2 (love those long names..sigh). I put a Jewel trigger in it and a KMW comb kit but the barrel sucks, in my limited opinion. I could rebarrel the 700 but the whole frakin' rifle only cost $1k.
Then I bought a CDG action from @GBMaryland (he had extras? haha) and...well, I bought a complete Vision chassis from him also as he didn't like the Cerakote color (picky, picky but..well yeah, rifles are a fashion accessory after all haha) He wanted AI blue...came out more like Cobalt/Titanium blue sort of...which I like a LOT. So, I might pull one of my BA's out of the JAE this summer and put it in the Vision or wait until I get the CDG BA done. I have the barrel blank in hand. I'm not rushing on the CDG rifle as I'm trying to live on a budget for the first time in my life! haha
Anyway, long explanation.
Cheers
Finally had a chance to get mine out to the range for the first time. I used it on both my Vudoo .22 and my 6GT. I ran 15 rounds through the 6GT and it failed to read one shot. When using it on the Vudoo, it registered two shots that were actually fail to fire rounds. It would register about 250 FPS for those two rounds. I don't think I've read anyone posting about that. Maybe I've missed it. It was rifle mounted for both rifles.
My only real complaint is that you can't have it read Min, Max, SD, ES and Average velocity on the same screen. I had to go into the settings to get. I would be happy to just have Min, Max, SD, and Average as I can easily calculate ES with those reading.
My only real complaint is that you can't have it read Min, Max, SD, ES and Average velocity on the same screen. I had to go into the settings to get. I would be happy to just have Min, Max, SD, and Average as I can easily calculate ES with those reading.
Session "Summary" shows Min, Max, Avg, ES, and SD all on one screen. Am I misunderstanding what you meant?
Of course, it won't do that when the session is actively recording shots - then it only reads the current shot and the shot number.
Send that remington into LRI: https://www.longriflesinc.com/products/group-buy-remington-m700-accurizing-barreling-coating-service
Mine has been flawless on rifles( sun and supersonic) and bows.
It missed a few shots this weekend from my 20 gauge turkey gun. I might have had it pointed wrong ( I was shooting down a slope but the table was level).
Not the end of the world. I propped the ba l leg up on the case and it picked up most of the rest of the shots. Shooting tungsten so I don’t know if that affects it.
I still think it the best chrome I have been around.
It missed a few shots this weekend from my 20 gauge turkey gun. I might have had it pointed wrong ( I was shooting down a slope but the table was level).
Not the end of the world. I propped the ba l leg up on the case and it picked up most of the rest of the shots. Shooting tungsten so I don’t know if that affects it.
I still think it the best chrome I have been around.
The Brownells forever guarantee worked for me. Sent the Labradar that I purchased in 2018 back and my Garmin is on the way.
I realize that, I'm speaking to the screen on the unit while taking shots.
Q1 is over right? Anxiously waiting for the silicon cover. Otherwise hoping Pelican, Otterbox etc jump on this ship!
Used mine in a tunnel range last night. 4’ concrete culvert, 100 yards. Didn’t miss a shot. Amazing. Labgaydar didn’t work AT ALL in the tunnel.
Stupid question. I have been using Garmin for a few sessions now and have a stupid question. When taking the average speed for use in a calculator like Strelok Pro or Shooter do you average the muzzle velocity speed from each session or just use the most recent muzzle velocity average? So far I have been combining the average from each session and dividing by the number of sessions to getva muzzle velocity for the app. I do wish you could go back and add more shots to a previous session. Other than that I have no complaints about the Garmin.
In my humble opinion I would take the average if all else was equal.
But sometimes the difference in the average between different shooting sessions is due to a cold board or a clean board or a temperature difference between the sessions. If there is a clear difference in another variable between sessions, I would use whatever session was most applicable to a different shooting situation and apply to that.
But sometimes the difference in the average between different shooting sessions is due to a cold board or a clean board or a temperature difference between the sessions. If there is a clear difference in another variable between sessions, I would use whatever session was most applicable to a different shooting situation and apply to that.
Take the median of the extreme spread from all combined groups. A side note, if temps are relatively consistent and all other load data is the same, avg velocity should remain relatively constant. However as sample size increases, the es will likely grow. If velocity continues to climb session after session there could be something else happening.
The temperatures were within 10 degrees of each other for the 4 sessions. I am only using factory ammo on this rifle at the moment.
Okay factory ammo will have some variations especially if not within the same lots.
I finally broke down and ordered mine last night after reading all the great reviews. My chrony is so old it doesn't even have an app, or any export capabilities.
Quick question.
I ended a session and the Xero automatically uploaded that session to Shotview on my phone.
I deleted that session off my phone.
The session is still in my Xero's history. Is there any way to upload that session to my phone again so I can convert to .CSV?
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I ended a session and the Xero automatically uploaded that session to Shotview on my phone.
I deleted that session off my phone.
The session is still in my Xero's history. Is there any way to upload that session to my phone again so I can convert to .CSV?
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Quick response...
Currently, if a session is synced from the Xero C1 to the ShotView app but then deleted from the app, it will not sync back to the app from the C1.
Thank you for choosing Garmin,
Steven
Product Support
Garmin International
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Currently, if a session is synced from the Xero C1 to the ShotView app but then deleted from the app, it will not sync back to the app from the C1.
Thank you for choosing Garmin,
Steven
Product Support
Garmin International
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That’s one shortcoming of the Garmin, it stores precious few data strings before it tells you it’s full.
