Gay wedding

[LuckyLuke80]

I’m convinced that one of the worst things to happen to our society was the legalization of gay marriage. It’s a twisted demented idea spawned by satan himself. One doesn’t have to be Christian to believe this. I am a Christian and firmly believe the WHOLE Bible and it does say that nature itself teaches us these things. The greatest act of rebellion one can commit is the act of homosexuality. It goes against all the laws of nature. Also, the op stated that he doesn’t want to judge lest he be judged. Well, sir, you will be judged anyways, but as that passage says if you do judge you will be judged by that same standard. So as I see it I judge a matter based on the scriptures and I myself am judged by those same scriptures. It’s actually a safe action. Carry on with your stance against the evil of the queer movement. They are militant, and we must remain vigilant against their evil ways.

 

[cas6969]

I can’t believe gay people are dumb enough to wanna get married.
You had it, you had everything, you have the perfect excuse…

 

[Darayavaus]

So many churches these days are "inclusive" of gays, including pastors. I'm a bit bewildered unless they simply want a larger congregation for the donations. Having said that, didn't Jesus have dinner with a bunch of sinners and hookers?

"go and sin no more"

that's like the big takeaway from those verses.

 

[ironman56]

I think that I missed something......... She is your niece? Your Brother is her Grandfather? So is she your Great-Niece?

If that is the case I found the problem. Only interact with the family you have to. Shit, I do not even know the last time I talked to my first cousins. Not even sure if they are dead or alive.

Remember this: We can choose our friends and keep them as long as we want. We can't pick our family, you are stuck with them. So only interact with those that you would have as actual friends.

Her father is actually my nephew, I'm not sure what the term is for our relationship, my brother is estranged from his son so I'm surprised he even got a invite, if they speak to each other it will be the first time in 5 years, I guess if my nephew stops all contact over this then I'll just deal with it. Not having any children myself I was always close with my neices and nephews but at my age I've found that family drama is something I can do without. I might die alone by myself, but I'll be stress free till then.

 

[gigamortis]

I could care less what two grown adults do with each other. They will eventually get judged by their maker.

It is when they set out to poison the minds of children that a very hard line gets crossed. Jesus spoke very strongly about how precious the innocence of children is.

 

[Emerson0311]

I could care less what two grown adults do with each other. They will eventually get judged by their maker.

It is when they set out to poison the minds of children that a very hard line gets crossed. Jesus spoke very strongly about how precious the innocence of children is.

This here. They are free to do whatever. I am free to not participate. Any angst from them over my choice will be met with a scorched earth response, unless they are too pathetic or vulnerable. Like hurting a kitten, it just doesn’t feel right.

 

[wvfarrier]

So many churches these days are "inclusive" of gays, including pastors. I'm a bit bewildered unless they simply want a larger congregation for the donations. Having said that, didn't Jesus have dinner with a bunch of sinners and hookers?

There was never any concern of whether or not Jesus would sin. We all fall short of the Grace of GOD

 

[Snipe260]

You're a lucky guy. You'll likely be able to shed a few assholes from your life while saving the cost of a wedding gift.

Or if you want to send a gift you could get the Anti Gay book .

Send stool softener! Mo better!

 

[Baron23]

I just need to vent a little , I have a niece that's marrying a butch woman , got the invitation back in the summer , the weddings next week , I never responded to the rsvp , mostly because I don't condone same sex marriage, so my brother calls (he's the grandfather) and asked if I'm going ,I let him know my stance on the matter and I won't be attending , I'm a Christian and I know I shouldn't judge others lest I be judged , but I'm not going to celebrate something I consider a sin , and yes I'm a sinner too , but the difference is I'm ashamed of my sins I don't celebrate them , still can't believe we have a pride month, my mom who's 86 said she's not attending either so at least I won't be the only family member not going , I'm I being a prude for not caving in to this shit , it will probably ruin my relationship with her father who I am sorta a second father to , but I guess that's the price I have to pay for standing up for my beliefs, what say the hide .

If you feel certain that attending would violate your values, morals, and religious beliefs….then you absolutely are well within your rights to not attend. Just my view.

 

[NoDopes]

According to available data, lesbian couples tend to have a higher divorce rate compared to gay male couples, with studies showing that a significant majority of same-sex divorces involve lesbian couples, sometimes even reaching up to 75% of all same-sex divorces depending on the region.
Key points about lesbian divorce rates:
Higher than gay men:
Research consistently indicates that lesbian couples experience a considerably higher divorce rate compared to gay male couples.

Don't worry, you'll be sending condolences soon enough.

 

[232593]

Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman, it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male like a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they will surely be put to death;
their blood is upon them.

As marriage is a Christian institution the event is clearly covered as well.

I don't have to try to manipulate the verses as they are very clear on the subject.

R

This right here. It’s not sin it’s an abomination.

The same Jesus that dined with sinners incinerated the abominations of Soddom & Gomorrah.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Dress up like a flaming tranny (see Ru Paul) and go. If asked just say If they can pretend to be man and wife.....

 

[sirhrmechanic]

 

[Fx51LP308]

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I knew there was a reason I liked him.... especially upon seeing him in the Weird Al' parody, "FOIL."

 

[AZLong]

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He is somewhat funny, and is a far left socialist and atheist. Farther left than Garofalo. This meme is completely out of context, and a very odd choice for this thread. This is what he actually said:

 

[sirhrmechanic]

He is somewhat funny, and is a far left socialist and atheist. Farther left than Garofalo. This meme is completely out of context, and a very odd choice for this thread. This is what he actually said:

Ah... massively out of context!!!! Well, it does apply! The left thinks they can call our beliefs stupid... and take it further by demanding that "Their bodies our their choice... but our bodies must be subject to leftist-mandated killer Clot Shots," then we can hijack his quote and call his beliefs fucking stupid. Especially if he is a commie and probably diddles kids with the rest of his lefty alphabeti!!

Sirhr

 

[lariat]

Well, the only way to solve the disagreement is to show the Scriptural proofs of your assertion.

 

[AZLong]

Ah... massively out of context!!!! Well, it does apply! The left thinks they can call our beliefs stupid... and take it further by demanding that "Their bodies our their choice... but our bodies must be subject to leftist-mandated killer Clot Shots," then we can hijack his quote and call his beliefs fucking stupid. Especially if he is a commie and probably diddles kids with the rest of his lefty alphabeti!!

Sirhr

You posted a meme to denigrate homosexuals, when in actuality the the real comedy segment denigrates Christians and their beliefs. In a thread concerning Christian beliefs. And now you believe it represents something entirely different and has something to do with Covid vaccines and child molesters. That's more twisted than a 30" 8.6BLK.

 

[DOA]

Communicates to whom? The judgmental? It is a secular event, just as an atheist wedding I attended many years ago. I am 100% certain nobody believed I condoned atheism, including the "bride and groom" (not that it mattered). My faith was unscathed. As was my relationship with my cousin. The marriage did not fare nearly as well...

Same applies to a Buddhist wedding. I certainly do not condone the worshipping of many gods.

Communicates to the parties involved and those around us. Who says it is a secular event? It very well could be administered by a person of the cloth. Judgemental? Surely you don't know the Bible very well. "Judge not, lest thou will be judged" is not, in fact, a prohibition against making a critical judgement but is rather a caution against making final judgments of deep character. The verse calls us to self-reflection and introspection, not quietism. We can still pass judgement, but before we do we must exercise extreme introspection of our own sins and not judge the sin as the whole person.

 

[DOA]

"go and sin no more"

that's like the big takeaway from those verses.

They ALWAYS leave that part out.

 

[Fig]

Your personal relationship with Jesus would not be affected by your attendance of your niece's wedding. He knows what is in your heart, and your love for your niece is not a sin. Hate the sin, love the sinner. If others judge you, that is their shortcoming, not yours. I get the love part of that, but How do you hate the sin if you are joining a celebration of that sin?

This is a very common mistake among cultural Christians, who have a very superficial understanding of the Bible. Even putting all of Paul’s letters aside, Jesus was clear in the gospels about those who refuse the Good News and persist in not just sinning, but celebrating sin both in the Church and outside of it. Something about shaking the dust from your sandals. Jesus does not tell us to love our brothers and sisters blindly and support their sin. In fact he says the only reason to interact with them is to try and help them find the lord.

I am most certainly not holding myself up as a shining example, quite the opposite. I would most likely go and hold my tongue, and I would be wrong to do it. Rest assured, this is the right choice. Keep praying for them, and if He places it in front of you try your best. The Kingdom of Heaven is open to all, but all are not destined for it, and it isn’t our to say, only to live as God commands.

I had the same thing in my family, and thankfully I wasn’t invited.

 

[rlsmith1]

Read a few posts but just came here to say hate the sin but love the sinner(s). Probably a conscience item between you and God as to whether you attend or not (it would be really hard for me to go). If you choose to not go, I'd suggest finding a way to love them specifically without condoning their sin. Maybe you and your wife take them a meal or ry to connect with them next time there is a family event.

Sin is destructive and willful sin is a scary place to be. Odds are you won't change their behavior in one meal, but showing them how someone who has been changed by the Spirit lives can point them to God. I don't know if they would open a Bible but sometimes best to encourage them to spend time there so they are rejecting God's Word rather than your arguments.

And of course, pray for them if you care for them (sounds like you do). Had an older guy at church share that he saw another man starting to soften towards the gospel and he said very matter of factly "We have been praying for him for 25 years and will pray for another 25 if that is what it takes"

 

[MK20]

So many churches these days are "inclusive" of gays, including pastors. I'm a bit bewildered unless they simply want a larger congregation for the donations. Having said that, didn't Jesus have dinner with a bunch of sinners and hookers?

It's because the pastors are cowards.

 

[MK20]

You could show up and when the officiant asks" Does anyone have a reason these two should not be 'wed'?" you could then speak up and say that such a union is an abomination unto the Lord and he will judge it severely, and that is a very good reason.

You probably won't win friends, but I gave up trying to win friends by unrighteous niceness years ago. It doesn't work and bites you in the ass later.

 

[232593]

It's because the pastors are cowards.

Check out Pastor Bruce Mejia.

 

[Fx51LP308]

It's because the pastors are cowards.

Some are, perhaps. But others are not.

For example, (and I'll go ahead and say this), I was born, Baptized and Confirmed an "Episcopalian." Did the whole "Choir Boy" thing and Acolyte, etc. I even became the head Sacristan and coordinator of Acolytes at my college chapel. All of this, long before the LGBTQ community took a hold of that church. For those that don't know, the "Episcopal" church is the North American (US/Canada) division of the "Anglican Communion" of Churches, the original and primary constituent being the "Church of England."

These days, however, there is a developing schism between the "Episcopal" Church (Pro-LGBTQ, permits LGBTQ clergy, and marriage of LGBTQ individuals/clergy etc), and what I call the "Anglican" sub-division (conserving the original church and conservative structure, no LGBTQ anything). Where one would see (for example) a "Christ's Episcopal Church" somewhere, you will now see "Christ's Anglican Church." There's a bunch of them in FL.

And, apparently, they are thriving very well, despite the pressure from the "Episcopal" church to conform. I'm actually considering a "re-affirm" with the Anglican division (i.e. what you do when initially "confirmed" but have been away for a long time).

 

[jinxx4ever]

to accept sin, is to sin

 

[lonegunman762x51]

Are we still mad about gay marriage?

Getting married by a court judge is not a religious ceremony. It is literally a binding contract. Like a car loan with butt sex and scissoring. It allows two people to make life decisions for each other. And with luck it takes two fags out of circulation and slows the spread of monkey pox and other forms of ass rot.

The 15 million foreign criminals that have invaded America, fucked up federal budget and completely fucked up education system are bigger concerns for me.

 

[918v]

Go to the wedding dressed like the most obnoxious lgbt creature you can imagine and show them that they look like to the rest of the world.

 

[lariat]

Are we still mad about gay marriage?

Getting married by a court judge is not a religious ceremony. It is literally a binding contract. Like a car loan with butt sex and scissoring. It allows two people to make life decisions for each other. And with luck it takes two fags out of circulation and slows the spread of monkey pox and other forms of ass rot.

The 15 million foreign criminals that have invaded America, fucked up federal budget and completely fucked up education system are bigger concerns for me.

The topic of discussion isn't the practical aspects of it, it's the spiritual, which are beyond the scope of the legal facets that we have little control over. Frankly, it has always been about the spiritual aspects. Some choose to acknowledge that, others do not, usually based on their theological beliefs or what they want to do that their faith rejects (i.e., personal desires outweigh the desire to remain faithful to their religion).

 

[lariat]

Some are, perhaps. But others are not.

For example, (and I'll go ahead and say this), I was born, Baptized and Confirmed an "Episcopalian." Did the whole "Choir Boy" thing and Acolyte, etc. I even became the head Sacristan and coordinator of Acolytes at my college chapel. All of this, long before the LGBTQ community took a hold of that church. For those that don't know, the "Episcopal" church is the North American (US/Canada) division of the "Anglican Communion" of Churches, the original and primary constituent being the "Church of England."

These days, however, there is a developing schism between the "Episcopal" Church (Pro-LGBTQ, permits LGBTQ clergy, and marriage of LGBTQ individuals/clergy etc), and what I call the "Anglican" sub-division (conserving the original church and conservative structure, no LGBTQ anything). Where one would see (for example) a "Christ's Episcopal Church" somewhere, you will now see "Christ's Anglican Church." There's a bunch of them in FL.

And, apparently, they are thriving very well, despite the pressure from the "Episcopal" church to conform. I'm actually considering a "re-affirm" with the Anglican division (i.e. what you do when initially "confirmed" but have been away for a long time).

A large swath of African Episcopal churches broke away and aligned with the Anglican side for this very reason - gay rights, gay marriages and gay clergy. Same thing with the United Methodist Church and the Presbyterians.

The net result of all of this is that more churches are veering away from their original doctrines, confessions of faith (Westminster, LBC 1689, etc) and their catechisms (Heidelburg, Long and Short Catechisms, Canons or Dort, Belgic Confession, etc) in favor of a more lenient standard that overall does not align well with Scripture. IOW, they are adhering to "another Gospel".

This lack of adherence to Scripture creates bigger issues than most realize; it isn't limited to the LGBT aspect as it creates a situation where anything in the Bible can be molded to fit what one wants, creating a free-for-all that provides little guidance, doesn't point to Christ, absolves sin without repentance and definitely puts man above God, breaking at a minimum the First Commandment.

 

[Ronws]

It was said earlier that Mary of Magdalene was a prostitute.
This was an interesting read I had a few decades ago.
"Holy Blood, Holy Grail."

Amazon.com : holy blood holy grail book

And they published a follow-up entitled "Messianic Legacy."

Long story short, Jesus faked his own death to get out of trouble and his family moved to Gaul (southern France) and married into the Merovingian family. Essentially, today, outside of Paris, there is a living descendant of Jesus of Nazareth (House of David,) heir to the throne of Jerusalem.

In the story of the marriage at Caanan, Jesus' mother tells him to refresh the wine, which is running low. He says to her to have a servant do it.

Well, that means they had money in order to have servants. Second, and importantly, in hebraic tradition at a wedding and reception, it is the groom's responsibility to get the refreshments. Ergo, this was the wedding of Jesus. The closest woman to him was Mary of Magdalene. There is no record of her being a prostitute. She was from a good family and would not need to resort to that.

Anyway, it was a theory based on the powers of secret societies such as the Knights Templar dating back to a primal society, the Priori de Sion. They were located not too far from Jerusalem and dating to about 200 years AD.

There, that should be enough feces to impact the rotary air recirculating device.

 

[MO Fugga]

If you can get ahold of a 60mm Mortar and some White Phosphorous rounds... that would be a great gift.

Sort of a preview of the hellfire and brimstone that those dykes will face soon enough...

And at your earliest opportunity, beat the living tar out of your brother for raising a fucking bull-dyke. Brothers should do that. It's like 'protected speech.'

Do not attend. Don't even send a card saying "Carpet Munchers Suck." Even though that would be funny.

Sirhr

No guest list is complete without Willie Pete.

 

[Redmanss]

You have to pretty much force me at gunpoint to attend a wedding in the first place. I only put on a tie when someone physically dies, not when just their freedom dies.

A lesbian wedding? You couldn't beat me bad enough to get me to attend.

 

[Pharmseller]

A lesbian is just a woman I haven’t turned back yet.




P

 

[Redmanss]

A lesbian is just a woman I haven’t turned back yet.




P

 

[gigamortis]

Dress up like Crocodile Dundee and go around doing his trademark gender check!

 

[geek65]

As an atheist I find the comments above quite interesting. Christians (as are most/all other religions) are critical of other faiths e.g. Islam for some of their beliefs, yet both Islam and Christianity (and I assume other religions too) seem to share some common beliefs especially regarding homosexuality.

Personally, I couldn't care less if someone is gay or not , each to their own choices. One of my cousins is gay and also my wife’s second cousin is gay, doesn’t bother me or my wife.

Shouldn't you treat people as they treat you, wouldn't that be the Christian thing to do?

 

[Ronws]

As an atheist I find the comments above quite interesting. Christians (as are most/all other religions) are critical of other faiths e.g. Islam for some of their beliefs, yet both Islam and Christianity (and I assume other religions too) seem to share some common beliefs especially regarding homosexuality.

Personally, I couldn't care less if someone is gay or not , each to their own choices. One of my cousins is gay and also my wife’s second cousin is gay, doesn’t bother me or my wife.

Shouldn't you treat people as they treat you, wouldn't that be the Christian thing to do?

The christian thing to do is love the sinner, not the sin. And homosexuality is considered a sin.

The muslim thing to do is throw the gay person of off the roof of a tall building.

 

[918v]

As an atheist I find the comments above quite interesting. Christians (as are most/all other religions) are critical of other faiths e.g. Islam for some of their beliefs, yet both Islam and Christianity (and I assume other religions too) seem to share some common beliefs especially regarding homosexuality.

Personally, I couldn't care less if someone is gay or not , each to their own choices. One of my cousins is gay and also my wife’s second cousin is gay, doesn’t bother me or my wife.

Shouldn't you treat people as they treat you, wouldn't that be the Christian thing to do?

No. I’m a victim of forced DEI training. Fuck them.

 

[geek65]

No. I’m a victim of forced DEI training. Fuck them.

I agree, DEI is being forced upon everyone.

 

[LuckyLuke80]

As an atheist I find the comments above quite interesting. Christians (as are most/all other religions) are critical of other faiths e.g. Islam for some of their beliefs, yet both Islam and Christianity (and I assume other religions too) seem to share some common beliefs especially regarding homosexuality.

Personally, I couldn't care less if someone is gay or not , each to their own choices. One of my cousins is gay and also my wife’s second cousin is gay, doesn’t bother me or my wife.

Shouldn't you treat people as they treat you, wouldn't that be the Christian thing to do?

Well, if you truly are an atheist, then why do you care what us Christian’s think?

 

[LuckyLuke80]

The christian thing to do is love the sinner, not the sin. And homosexuality is considered a sin.

The muslim thing to do is throw the gay person of off the roof of a tall building.

And the Christian thing to do is to stuff them in a log and saw it in half, then burn the whole thing at the stake and stone the remains.

 

[Gemsbok]

A) Marriage has two purposes: 1) Procreation and education of children, and 2) Mutual sanctity of the spouses.
A homosexual marriage can meet neither end, and thus is not even needed by the couple. They should stay in their lane.

B) The OP may be encouraged by a discussion of "The nine ways to be an accessory to sin" (which certainly can affect one relationship with Christ), which may help to articulate why he's not going.

 

[TheHorta]

Gift them a Bible and a Pure Flix subscription.

 

[Sniperwannabee]

Can you post pictures of the two brides?

 

[riverside jeep]

Can you post pictures of the two brides?

It's been my experience that reality is a bit different than what one imagines .

 

[LuckyDuck]

I just need to vent a little , I have a niece that's marrying a butch woman , got the invitation back in the summer , the weddings next week , I never responded to the rsvp , mostly because I don't condone same sex marriage, so my brother calls (he's the grandfather) and asked if I'm going ,I let him know my stance on the matter and I won't be attending , I'm a Christian and I know I shouldn't judge others lest I be judged , but I'm not going to celebrate something I consider a sin , and yes I'm a sinner too , but the difference is I'm ashamed of my sins I don't celebrate them , still can't believe we have a pride month, my mom who's 86 said she's not attending either so at least I won't be the only family member not going , I'm I being a prude for not caving in to this shit , it will probably ruin my relationship with her father who I am sorta a second father to , but I guess that's the price I have to pay for standing up for my beliefs, what say the hide .

Hey @ironman56 ,

I'm a bit late to the 'party' but looks like you've already received the gamut of anticipated Pit responses.

For what little it's worth- I think I understand the inner struggle you were communicating. Lord knows it gets harder and harder to try to adhere to their Christian faiths & values while trying to navigate through today's world.

As for a little about me (reckon that'll at least give you a frame of reference where I'm coming from at least) I was raised Catholic for the first 20 years or so of my life (that alone might be enough for you to dismiss things and I'm ok with that honestly). But I'm talking the whole 'shebang', went to Catholic School, was an Alter Server, the works.

One thing different (at least in my eyes/experience) is while I was taught Roman Catholicism all those years, I was raised "Irish" Catholic. I don't intend for that to come across as a snarky response either- there were a few nuances to Irish Catholicism that was very DEEPLY entrenched in my family that is not likely understood/acknowledge outside of those who grew up that way. The priest I grew up with (who for a good Irish Catholic Family ) was frequently at our house for dinner was also an Irish WWII pastor. As an aside- regardless of what I think about religion (after all this is not the place to argue one way or another on that topic), he was a very good man and the only point I wanted to share about him dealt with the small differences between stout Roman Catholicism and Irish Catholicism and to say as small as those difference were, he was often at odds with the Bishop of the Diocese here. That doesn't necessarily go over well in the 'rank & file' Roman Catholics but I digress.

Religious beliefs are just what they are, I won't argue that you were either right nor wrong, but rather just wanted to support you for standing by your faith and to give you an otherwise 'non-bear pitt' type response in saying I support you sticking with your guns.

The only counterpoint (and it's just that/not an argument but a different way of looking at things)- I'm sure you can surmise how I was taught the first 20 years or so of my life about same-sex marriage and without knowing the specifics, I'd still say I have to defer to the DSM-IV likely being more accurate on these type of matters but that's now where society is moving towards (again to the point of it being hard to hold longstanding/established beliefs these days).

Were the shoes reversed- I honestly would offer that I'd at least would have RSVP'd (maybe you were oscillating on what to do so by no means meant as a personal strike against you) just to save yourself the inevitable call that you mentioned on what you're planning on doing for the ceremony. I just think it would have made it easier on you is all, RSVP that you aren't able to make it and then you don't have to provide any further commentary on the matter is all. So not a judgement on whatever you believe from me- just pointing out that would have been the proverbial 'easy button' is all.

With ALL of that said, and sins aside- as much as I dislike (and I really don't care for attending weddings anymore), if you wanted to go and the only thing holding you back was it been two women getting married... idk- I think I would have attended (assuming that was the only roadblock).

I'd likely 'hem & haw' over it but at the end of the day, I'd want to take advantage of spending time with my family and would have personally attended. But then again, I likely don't have as 'hardline' of a belief either (and that's ok either way). You might not see it the same way- but just as an analogy- have you ever had a friend that maybe wasn't savvy with their finances and seemed to be regularly struggling paying there bills only to later find out they bought a new car? (True story from my end, I just had this conversation two days ago myself).

Anyway- sorry for rambling. Fully support you doing what you feel is right per your personal beliefs but since you asked, just wanted to say you likely could have approached it with perhaps a slight bit more tact.

As I said I was raised by a family of very devote Irish Catholics, and eventually married a woman who was also raised Roman/German Catholic but we did not do so personally inside of the Church which by their teachings made our union "sinful" so that likely shapes my response here- we were both prepared to be shunned by either one of our families for pursuing a wedding using civil rather than religious means but much to our surprise our hardline catholic families likely chose a similar route to be there for when we made it "official". Trust me- that was a very difficult conversation to have not once but twice that either they support us approaching our marriage through civil means and they could be there in person or we'd elope in Vegas without them. Fast forward to the last 2 weeks- my wife's parents have had Christmas Eve/Christmas Day/New Years dinner here and my sister-in-law has crashed here 3x this week alone.

All that to say- the parents might not have agreed with how we did things but by them looking at it things differently as just supporting us we still have a very healthy relationship just as one human to the next that likely wouldn't have existed nearly as much as it does today if they drew a line in the sand and said that's not the catholic way and you'll be shunned if you don't change your mind.

-LD

 

[Maser]

Traditional Christian marriage was ruined long before gay marriage came along. It was ruined as soon as God was removed from the bond between the bride and groom and when it stopped being a lifetime commitment. God's involvement was removed and replaced with prenuptial agreements, divorce lawyers, child care payments, alimony payments, family courts, custody battles, etc. I'm not here condoning gay marriage, but rather just pointing out it's ridiculous to claim that gays ruined traditional marriage.

 

[Skeptic1]

We know we shouldn't judge others.
It isn't judging someone in this case.
You are just choosing what side you want to be on.