Re: Got My First Tac Ops..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aries64
I see that you ordered an NXS 5.5-22X[50</div><div class="ubbcode-body">. Nice scope. Nightforce makes some great scopes and I think you'll like the NP-R1 reticle. The NP-R1's reticle line thickness of .062 MOA should work well for shooting the tiny groups Tac Ops rifles can shoot, but it seems a little fine for hunting in thick brush unless the illumination is turned-on (.062 MOA is more fine than the Gen 2 XR in a PMII at 15X, which is .075" at 100 yards.
As you've already ordered your NXS it may be a moot point, but there's no definitive answer to your question of whether a PMII is <span style="font-style: italic">"is it really worth 1400 more is it THAT much better..."</span> than a Nightforce. I own three PMI 5-25X[56]s', and having shot with and/or owned Leupold, USO, Nightforce, Premier, Vortex, and Bushnell scopes I don't see myself replacing my PMIIs' with any of them.
Keith </div></div>
How about a reticle comparison dialed down to 5-6; which most would probably find better suited to closer ranges and thick brush? While the gen2xr has it's attributes; being dialed down isn't one of them. </div></div>
Still trolling the forums, eh <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">Turk</span></span>? I never said that <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">jermeatimus</span></span> would better better-served by using a PMII with a Gen 2 XR, so what is your point? I said that <span style="font-style: italic">"...The NP-R1's reticle line thickness of .062 MOA should work well for shooting the tiny groups Tac Ops rifles can shoot, but it seems a little fine for hunting in thick brush unless the illumination is turned-on (.062 MOA is more fine than the Gen 2 XR in a PMII at 15X, which is .075" at 100 yards."</span> My point was and is that across the magnification range of the SFP NXS 5.5-22X[50] the NP-R1's .062 MOA line thickness is even more fine than the Gen 2 XR in a PMII at 15X.
For low magnification use in low light and/or heavy brush neither is ideal, although at any magnification below 13X I'd have to give the SFP NP-R1 a slight edge over the PMII's FFP Gen 2 XR. If my reticle subtension extrapolation is correct, the Gen 2 XR in PMIIs' is .025" (5X), and .030" (6X). That's very fine, and difficult to see in heavy brush. The SFP NP-R1 .062 MOA reticle thickness is more than twice as thick as the Gen 2 XR in the afore-mentioned scopes.
However, from a practical standpoint users of PMII 5-25X[56]s' rarely use the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">reticle itself</span></span> below 8X or so regardless of reticle. Sure, they may dial down the magnification to get a wider FOV, but most shooters rarely use the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">reticle itself</span></span> of any FFP PMII 5-25X[56] at 5X or 6X very often. If someone is using a FFP 5-25X magnification scope at 5-6X a lot they're using the wrong scope for the job.
The bottom line is that <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">jermeatimus</span></span> said that he'd be using the rifle for <span style="font-style: italic">"a bit of hunting and a lot of punching paper"</span> and that he <span style="font-style: italic">"can shoot reasonably out to 800 yards with no issues as far as room."</span> Since he'll be shooting paper most of the time I think that the Nightforce NXS 5.5-22X[56] with NP-R1 he's chosen will work pretty well for the types of shooting he specified. The fine reticle will be especially useful for fine aiming, especially at distance.
Keith