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Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
hey guardog, i probably only got that from emailing them (i get excited and am not a patient person) about what the ETA was going to be and chris responded
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: guardog36</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice, Reflections. I didn't even get that email. One can only hope, i guess. </div></div>
hey guardog, i probably only got that from emailing them (i get excited and am not a patient person) about what the ETA was going to be and chris responded
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: guardog36</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nice, Reflections. I didn't even get that email. One can only hope, i guess. </div></div>
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rundm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I feel <span style="text-decoration: line-through">sorry</span> <span style="color: #990000">pissed</span> for the guys that have already paid for theirs and are waiting. I really do not understand a company that would do that to up front payers. RG </div></div>
I too have been waiting some time but not as long as some here. I have been on the other side of the lube before and it leaves a very dry taste in your mouth!
I know Chris said earlier IIRC, he was crediting $100.00 to those folks that had prepaid up front.
It's a nice gesture but I'm guessing many/most would have been happier with scope in hand by now, and for all I have to think it's just the principal of good and fair CS.
My PH will mount a .50 bmg that a NF resides on now. The NF has been a workhorse and I'm not looking to replace it but just accompany it. I saw a NF and a MK4 go down on the line at my last match.
They all can/will at some point and I look forward to seeing how the PH measures up.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rundm</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I feel <span style="text-decoration: line-through">sorry</span> <span style="color: #990000">pissed</span> for the guys that have already paid for theirs and are waiting. I really do not understand a company that would do that to up front payers. RG </div></div>
I too have been waiting some time but not as long as some here. I have been on the other side of the lube before and it leaves a very dry taste in your mouth!
I know Chris said earlier IIRC, he was crediting $100.00 to those folks that had prepaid up front.
It's a nice gesture but I'm guessing many/most would have been happier with scope in hand by now, and for all I have to think it's just the principal of good and fair CS.
My PH will mount a .50 bmg that a NF resides on now. The NF has been a workhorse and I'm not looking to replace it but just accompany it. I saw a NF and a MK4 go down on the line at my last match.
They all can/will at some point and I look forward to seeing how the PH measures up.
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
You are right, pissed off is the better response. The 100.00 credit is a move in the right direction but with the upfront cost of the scope , it is a small move indeed. Any time someone pays upfront for a product, they should be the first ones to get the product. I am sure their is some reason the company could tell you why you didn't get it but in the end, it is mostly only semantics.
You are right, pissed off is the better response. The 100.00 credit is a move in the right direction but with the upfront cost of the scope , it is a small move indeed. Any time someone pays upfront for a product, they should be the first ones to get the product. I am sure their is some reason the company could tell you why you didn't get it but in the end, it is mostly only semantics.
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
I know Chris & Jerry are working hard at getting everyone some scopes. They have been shipping out few to dealers and a few to the preorders. I told Chris when he first started talking about the 5-25x56mm that I would commit to a lot of units. I’m NOT saying dealer orders are of more importance over individual orders. Again I really just want you guys to know Chris is working hard at making dealers and the guys on the Group Buy happy.
Mike
I know Chris & Jerry are working hard at getting everyone some scopes. They have been shipping out few to dealers and a few to the preorders. I told Chris when he first started talking about the 5-25x56mm that I would commit to a lot of units. I’m NOT saying dealer orders are of more importance over individual orders. Again I really just want you guys to know Chris is working hard at making dealers and the guys on the Group Buy happy.
Mike
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
Pre-ordered mine early Jan.... still waiting.
It's also my understanding, that I could have saved a couple hundred bucks had I gone a different route....
Pre-ordered mine early Jan.... still waiting.
It's also my understanding, that I could have saved a couple hundred bucks had I gone a different route....
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
Guys-Chris posted on here 19July that pre orders would be delivered no later than 28August. I ordered and paid for a scope the middle of December-no word yet-but it is not Aug 28 either! I try to think of waits like this to when I got out of the Army in 1972-back from VN-in out processing-standing in line-standing in line-thinking when I get out of here I will never stand in line again-ever.Processed out-headed to the gate for the bus-no line fot the bus-just a mob of 60 people waiting!!! Thats life! Enjoy your scope when you get it-I am sure the wait will be worth it! barry
Guys-Chris posted on here 19July that pre orders would be delivered no later than 28August. I ordered and paid for a scope the middle of December-no word yet-but it is not Aug 28 either! I try to think of waits like this to when I got out of the Army in 1972-back from VN-in out processing-standing in line-standing in line-thinking when I get out of here I will never stand in line again-ever.Processed out-headed to the gate for the bus-no line fot the bus-just a mob of 60 people waiting!!! Thats life! Enjoy your scope when you get it-I am sure the wait will be worth it! barry
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
Not rubbing it in guys but I believe the wait will be well worth it.
When I learned about the 5-25X I told Mike I wanted one. I would of jumped on the pre order like the rest of you guys but I am loyal to Mikey since he has always taken care of me and the club.
On a lighter note I have been using my 5-25 at a few matches and practices now and I love it. Going from MOA to MIL MIL was a small transition and not as bad as I thought.
Scope tracks perfectly. Holds 0 like one would expect. The glass is just awesome. We have some serious mirage out here when its high 90s and low 100s yet I am still able to shoot in the higher power range 17X to 20X without issues.
I know other guys are having to dial down to lower magnification to get a better sight picture.
More to come as I shoot it more.
Vu
Not rubbing it in guys but I believe the wait will be well worth it.
When I learned about the 5-25X I told Mike I wanted one. I would of jumped on the pre order like the rest of you guys but I am loyal to Mikey since he has always taken care of me and the club.
On a lighter note I have been using my 5-25 at a few matches and practices now and I love it. Going from MOA to MIL MIL was a small transition and not as bad as I thought.
Scope tracks perfectly. Holds 0 like one would expect. The glass is just awesome. We have some serious mirage out here when its high 90s and low 100s yet I am still able to shoot in the higher power range 17X to 20X without issues.
I know other guys are having to dial down to lower magnification to get a better sight picture.
More to come as I shoot it more.
Vu
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
On the one hand, it sucks that I ordered direct, paid up front, and will be getting the scope last. On the other hand, the gun I am putting this on is at least another 6 months off, so I am not overly upset at the timeline. a $100 credit would be nice. I haven't heard that.
On the one hand, it sucks that I ordered direct, paid up front, and will be getting the scope last. On the other hand, the gun I am putting this on is at least another 6 months off, so I am not overly upset at the timeline. a $100 credit would be nice. I haven't heard that.
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
I talked Premier today and it sounds like they are going to have a good handle on getting everyone squared-way!
As for Vu getting one with out having a long wait is do to the fact we did not start taking per-orders until I know the PRH 5-25x56mm were shipping with in a week. Vu also traded in a scope a few weeks before I took per-orders, he told me to hold on to the Store Credit for the PRH 5-25x56mm. When we found out that Premier was shipping us some PRH 5-25x56mm we only took 8 per-orders, even at this time we only have 10 on back order.
Mike
I talked Premier today and it sounds like they are going to have a good handle on getting everyone squared-way!
As for Vu getting one with out having a long wait is do to the fact we did not start taking per-orders until I know the PRH 5-25x56mm were shipping with in a week. Vu also traded in a scope a few weeks before I took per-orders, he told me to hold on to the Store Credit for the PRH 5-25x56mm. When we found out that Premier was shipping us some PRH 5-25x56mm we only took 8 per-orders, even at this time we only have 10 on back order.
Mike
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
Mike....speaking of Premiers on backorder....am I moving up the list?
Mike....speaking of Premiers on backorder....am I moving up the list?
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
Who's brillant idea was it of putting the guys who ordered straight from Premier Reticle and had to pay extra money ahead of everybody else for doing so be moved to the END of the shipping list?
Hello? Premier Reticle? Can anyone explain this in logical terms? The guys who paid the most <span style="font-weight: bold">directly to PR</span> in advance of all other offers being announced should get their paid-first-in-line-scopes <span style="font-weight: bold">SHIPPED LAST?</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">WTF!!!!!!!!</span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen2mildot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm happy to introduce our next new offering in the Heritage line of Tactical Scopes. The 5-25x56mm will have a 34mm main tube, feature the new Double Turn 15mil Elevation and come with the Gen 2 XR FFP illuminated reticle. Projected retail price is $2899.00.
Availability should be late spring 2009. Anybody who places full prepaid deposit by 15 Jan 2008, will get a special price of $2500.00
See here a pic and preliminary specs which are subject to change.
</div></div>
Who's brillant idea was it of putting the guys who ordered straight from Premier Reticle and had to pay extra money ahead of everybody else for doing so be moved to the END of the shipping list?
Hello? Premier Reticle? Can anyone explain this in logical terms? The guys who paid the most <span style="font-weight: bold">directly to PR</span> in advance of all other offers being announced should get their paid-first-in-line-scopes <span style="font-weight: bold">SHIPPED LAST?</span>
<span style="font-weight: bold">WTF!!!!!!!!</span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen2mildot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm happy to introduce our next new offering in the Heritage line of Tactical Scopes. The 5-25x56mm will have a 34mm main tube, feature the new Double Turn 15mil Elevation and come with the Gen 2 XR FFP illuminated reticle. Projected retail price is $2899.00.
Availability should be late spring 2009. Anybody who places full prepaid deposit by 15 Jan 2008, will get a special price of $2500.00
See here a pic and preliminary specs which are subject to change.
</div></div>
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
Jan 5th for me...still waiting patiently. My new SN-3 is helping ease the pain, however. Frustrating, I know, but I figure if the end product is as good as anticipated all that frustration will dissipate quickly.
Jan 5th for me...still waiting patiently. My new SN-3 is helping ease the pain, however. Frustrating, I know, but I figure if the end product is as good as anticipated all that frustration will dissipate quickly.
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
I think it sucks that pre-orders directly through Premier are not filled yet. Just no two ways about it.
But don't hate me when Scott gets me mine!!
I think it sucks that pre-orders directly through Premier are not filled yet. Just no two ways about it.
But don't hate me when Scott gets me mine!!
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
Hmmm, I prepaid back in September '08**. It's starting to get a bit beyond my politeness level given I could have purchased it at a lower price, and apparently, received it sooner, via one of the vendors that have already received shipments. I like the product and have a 3-15 already but am not happy about the back of the line, first to pay status... That is pure BS given the premium paid...
** Edited to reflect a date error. I prepaid for the 5-25 in Jan '09, not Sept '08 as originally posted.**
Hmmm, I prepaid back in September '08**. It's starting to get a bit beyond my politeness level given I could have purchased it at a lower price, and apparently, received it sooner, via one of the vendors that have already received shipments. I like the product and have a 3-15 already but am not happy about the back of the line, first to pay status... That is pure BS given the premium paid...
** Edited to reflect a date error. I prepaid for the 5-25 in Jan '09, not Sept '08 as originally posted.**
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
Are you guys telling me that the people that prepaid ahead and got in on the discounted price deal ($2500 instead of the $2899 MSRP) have not received their scopes yet from Premier? They were to be the 1st on the list to receive their scopes weren't they?
That is absolute BS.
Are you guys telling me that the people that prepaid ahead and got in on the discounted price deal ($2500 instead of the $2899 MSRP) have not received their scopes yet from Premier? They were to be the 1st on the list to receive their scopes weren't they?
That is absolute BS.
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
Let me see, this is available to whomever buys it from swfa.com now at their price?
http://swfa.com/Premier-Heritage-5-25x56-Tactical-34mm-Riflescope-P13024.aspx
Or I can wait and wait for mine, which was paid for almost a year ago and at a higher price direct from PR? While I think it's a hell of a product I have to question their thinking on flippin the bird to those that prepaid and have yet to receive their optics.
I guess I can't argue with their bean counters though, they've been earning interest on my money for close to a year now, which more than makes up for the discount the scope is now available for. And I've yet to see a scope...
Live and learn...
Let me see, this is available to whomever buys it from swfa.com now at their price?
http://swfa.com/Premier-Heritage-5-25x56-Tactical-34mm-Riflescope-P13024.aspx
Or I can wait and wait for mine, which was paid for almost a year ago and at a higher price direct from PR? While I think it's a hell of a product I have to question their thinking on flippin the bird to those that prepaid and have yet to receive their optics.
I guess I can't argue with their bean counters though, they've been earning interest on my money for close to a year now, which more than makes up for the discount the scope is now available for. And I've yet to see a scope...
Live and learn...
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rumor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let me see, this is available to whomever buys it from swfa.com now at their price?
http://swfa.com/Premier-Heritage-5-25x56-Tactical-34mm-Riflescope-P13024.aspx
Or I can wait and wait for mine, which was paid for almost a year ago and at a higher price direct from PR?
</div></div>
We paid $2,500. And I read somewhere about a $100 refund? It still sucks to wait, but at least I will be waiting even longer for my rifle to arrive.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rumor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let me see, this is available to whomever buys it from swfa.com now at their price?
http://swfa.com/Premier-Heritage-5-25x56-Tactical-34mm-Riflescope-P13024.aspx
Or I can wait and wait for mine, which was paid for almost a year ago and at a higher price direct from PR?
</div></div>
We paid $2,500. And I read somewhere about a $100 refund? It still sucks to wait, but at least I will be waiting even longer for my rifle to arrive.
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
I could be wrong....but based on conversations with Mike at CSGW a couple months ago, it wouldn't surprise me if he and Scott pre ordered and prepaid at the same time as everyone else that is complaining. You don't think Premier was asking their dealers if they wanted them months ago too....and only preordering to a few guys here?
It's not like Premier built 25 scopes and then said "Hmm, should we fill these backorders or call Scott and see if he wants them." I'm sure the dealers have had their orders in for months and months too.
As for the pricing, I agree that sucks, but it's something that you'll need to take up with Premier.
I could be wrong....but based on conversations with Mike at CSGW a couple months ago, it wouldn't surprise me if he and Scott pre ordered and prepaid at the same time as everyone else that is complaining. You don't think Premier was asking their dealers if they wanted them months ago too....and only preordering to a few guys here?
It's not like Premier built 25 scopes and then said "Hmm, should we fill these backorders or call Scott and see if he wants them." I'm sure the dealers have had their orders in for months and months too.
As for the pricing, I agree that sucks, but it's something that you'll need to take up with Premier.
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
I've no doubt the dealers have had their orders in for a while, and they have received scopes already. The payment structure of their orders was likely a bit different than the individual orders though, i.e, not pay in full at the time of order... I could be wrong, Liberty Optics could own up to fronting tens of thousands a year ago but I doubt they did or will... Nothing against them, I value their CS, and would have even more had I known... Skal
I've no doubt the dealers have had their orders in for a while, and they have received scopes already. The payment structure of their orders was likely a bit different than the individual orders though, i.e, not pay in full at the time of order... I could be wrong, Liberty Optics could own up to fronting tens of thousands a year ago but I doubt they did or will... Nothing against them, I value their CS, and would have even more had I known... Skal
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I could be wrong....but based on conversations with Mike at CSGW a couple months ago, it wouldn't surprise me if he and Scott pre ordered and prepaid at the same time as everyone else that is complaining. </div></div>
Good point. If the vendors went through the same channels at around the same time, I have no issues waiting my turn. Even if they ordered slightly after me, I have no issues with them getting some preferential treatment. Those guys are ordering in bulk and will continue to do so. As long as PH can hold true to their end of August promise I'll be happy.
I think frustration is just building across the board because most companies have been unable to deliver their products on schedule. USO and GAP were busting ass to catch up, the BATF sucks right now, good luck finding Varget, FGMM or Black Hills for a reasonable price there for a while, etc. And all this in a recession. On the bright side, this demand means new companies and some fantastic new products are coming downrange every day. Once the dust settles our options will be much better than when this all began.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I could be wrong....but based on conversations with Mike at CSGW a couple months ago, it wouldn't surprise me if he and Scott pre ordered and prepaid at the same time as everyone else that is complaining. </div></div>
Good point. If the vendors went through the same channels at around the same time, I have no issues waiting my turn. Even if they ordered slightly after me, I have no issues with them getting some preferential treatment. Those guys are ordering in bulk and will continue to do so. As long as PH can hold true to their end of August promise I'll be happy.
I think frustration is just building across the board because most companies have been unable to deliver their products on schedule. USO and GAP were busting ass to catch up, the BATF sucks right now, good luck finding Varget, FGMM or Black Hills for a reasonable price there for a while, etc. And all this in a recession. On the bright side, this demand means new companies and some fantastic new products are coming downrange every day. Once the dust settles our options will be much better than when this all began.
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I could be wrong....but based on conversations with Mike at CSGW a couple months ago, it wouldn't surprise me if he and Scott pre ordered and prepaid at the same time as everyone else that is complaining. </div></div>
Pretty sure Scott ordered after SHOT from posts he put up here dated after SHOT. Not sure about Mike.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=86909&Number=956932#top
Dated Jan 22 09 from above post:
"I also want to say that we are now an authorized Premier Reticles dealer. We are committed long term to getting this scope on as many rifles as possible. I think it's important for many reasons. We sincerely hope all Hiders will give us the opportunity to serve. LO will follow Premier's MAP policy in all instances."
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I could be wrong....but based on conversations with Mike at CSGW a couple months ago, it wouldn't surprise me if he and Scott pre ordered and prepaid at the same time as everyone else that is complaining. </div></div>
Pretty sure Scott ordered after SHOT from posts he put up here dated after SHOT. Not sure about Mike.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=86909&Number=956932#top
Dated Jan 22 09 from above post:
"I also want to say that we are now an authorized Premier Reticles dealer. We are committed long term to getting this scope on as many rifles as possible. I think it's important for many reasons. We sincerely hope all Hiders will give us the opportunity to serve. LO will follow Premier's MAP policy in all instances."
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
I'll eat some crow here. I went and looked at my records and Sept '08 was for a 3-15 PR scope. I paid for the 5-25 early Jan '09 and am waiting like many others.
I will still raise the point that some, including myself, ordered and paid in full prior to Shot '09 even beginning so any orders placed at Shot by anyone, dealer or otherwise came after my $$ was in PR's account.
I'll eat some crow here. I went and looked at my records and Sept '08 was for a 3-15 PR scope. I paid for the 5-25 early Jan '09 and am waiting like many others.
I will still raise the point that some, including myself, ordered and paid in full prior to Shot '09 even beginning so any orders placed at Shot by anyone, dealer or otherwise came after my $$ was in PR's account.
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
PR has obviously made the business decision to fill vendor orders first because these are high volume orders and they wanted to fortify those vendor relationships for the future.
The message to us as consumers is to go through the vendors for better pricing and faster service. I wish I had known that before, though...
PR has obviously made the business decision to fill vendor orders first because these are high volume orders and they wanted to fortify those vendor relationships for the future.
The message to us as consumers is to go through the vendors for better pricing and faster service. I wish I had known that before, though...
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
Perhaps there is a logical explanation? It's not like they aren't watching this thread!!! They also seem to have a problem hijacking everyone else's! I can't think of a better time for them to chime in!
Perhaps there is a logical explanation? It's not like they aren't watching this thread!!! They also seem to have a problem hijacking everyone else's! I can't think of a better time for them to chime in!
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
I am pretty sure that is the logical explanation... they filled the large volume orders first.
I am pretty sure that is the logical explanation... they filled the large volume orders first.
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
How about "Prepaid"; we have your money, so now lets fill in those non "prepaid" orders and get some more $$$$!
How about "Prepaid"; we have your money, so now lets fill in those non "prepaid" orders and get some more $$$$!
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
I'll wait til late august like they promised, well then again they promised spring, then late spring now late august. I feel like an @sshole not buying a USO especially back when they had the 15% off sale.
J
I'll wait til late august like they promised, well then again they promised spring, then late spring now late august. I feel like an @sshole not buying a USO especially back when they had the 15% off sale.
J
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about "Prepaid"; we have your money, so now lets fill in those non "prepaid" orders and get some more $$$$!</div></div>
Thanks for your concern, Turk, but I think we all know where you stand vis-a-vis PR. Yeah, it sucks, but I tend to rank product quality over shipment date. But this is from a guy who just placed an order for a couple of level grouses from Alamo Four Star after reading posts about their customer service. (I got them, by the way, but 3 days after they promised... and I was sweating).
With PR, I am pretty sure I am going to get my product. Would I like it sooner? Yeah, but when I put my money down, I knew they were in the prototype stage, so I figured there would be a few slipped deadlines on the way to production. I would actually prefer a little later in production as opposed to earlier for that reason. Let them work the kinks out on someone else's scopes.
This also reminds me of something that happened at our company a few years back. We decided that we were going to give our employees annual raises. I pushed for it, but I said that these were annual raises, so we couldn't give everyone a big raise all at once. So we bumped everybody around 3.5%. The guys who were on the lower end of the payscale complained that their raise wasn't as much as the guys on the higher end. The guys on the higher end complained that because of their performance, they expected a higher raise than everyone else. All of a sudden, people started quitting. We had a mass exodus of employees over a pay raise! We don't do pay raises any more. F 'em.
I am not going to make a similar mistake and get pissed at PR because someone got their scope before me. But that is the way that I look at things. YMMV.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about "Prepaid"; we have your money, so now lets fill in those non "prepaid" orders and get some more $$$$!</div></div>
Thanks for your concern, Turk, but I think we all know where you stand vis-a-vis PR. Yeah, it sucks, but I tend to rank product quality over shipment date. But this is from a guy who just placed an order for a couple of level grouses from Alamo Four Star after reading posts about their customer service. (I got them, by the way, but 3 days after they promised... and I was sweating).
With PR, I am pretty sure I am going to get my product. Would I like it sooner? Yeah, but when I put my money down, I knew they were in the prototype stage, so I figured there would be a few slipped deadlines on the way to production. I would actually prefer a little later in production as opposed to earlier for that reason. Let them work the kinks out on someone else's scopes.
This also reminds me of something that happened at our company a few years back. We decided that we were going to give our employees annual raises. I pushed for it, but I said that these were annual raises, so we couldn't give everyone a big raise all at once. So we bumped everybody around 3.5%. The guys who were on the lower end of the payscale complained that their raise wasn't as much as the guys on the higher end. The guys on the higher end complained that because of their performance, they expected a higher raise than everyone else. All of a sudden, people started quitting. We had a mass exodus of employees over a pay raise! We don't do pay raises any more. F 'em.
I am not going to make a similar mistake and get pissed at PR because someone got their scope before me. But that is the way that I look at things. YMMV.
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
CM, I don't have an issue w/ Premier as an optic! Actually they are a great value at "street pricing" imo! I am just missing why someone would preorder at a higher price; pay in full, and not be one of the first to recieve their scope???
CM, I don't have an issue w/ Premier as an optic! Actually they are a great value at "street pricing" imo! I am just missing why someone would preorder at a higher price; pay in full, and not be one of the first to recieve their scope???
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carter Mayfield</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about "Prepaid"; we have your money, so now lets fill in those non "prepaid" orders and get some more $$$$!</div></div>
Thanks for your concern, Turk, but I think we all know where you stand vis-a-vis PR. Yeah, it sucks, but I tend to rank product quality over shipment date. But this is from a guy who just placed an order for a couple of level grouses from Alamo Four Star after reading posts about their customer service. (I got them, by the way, but 3 days after they promised... and I was sweating).
With PR, I am pretty sure I am going to get my product. Would I like it sooner? Yeah, but when I put my money down, I knew they were in the prototype stage, so I figured there would be a few slipped deadlines on the way to production. I would actually prefer a little later in production as opposed to earlier for that reason. Let them work the kinks out on someone else's scopes.
This also reminds me of something that happened at our company a few years back. We decided that we were going to give our employees annual raises. I pushed for it, but I said that these were annual raises, so we couldn't give everyone a big raise all at once. So we bumped everybody around 3.5%. The guys who were on the lower end of the payscale complained that their raise wasn't as much as the guys on the higher end. The guys on the higher end complained that because of their performance, they expected a higher raise than everyone else. All of a sudden, people started quitting. We had a mass exodus of employees over a pay raise! We don't do pay raises any more. F 'em.
I am not going to make a similar mistake and get pissed at PR because someone got their scope before me. But that is the way that I look at things. YMMV. </div></div>
Sorry, Bad example with pay raises. If I shell out $2500.00 - 6 months early with the understanding of getting the item before everyone else and at a cheaper price, then don't. getting pissed is a mistake?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carter Mayfield</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about "Prepaid"; we have your money, so now lets fill in those non "prepaid" orders and get some more $$$$!</div></div>
Thanks for your concern, Turk, but I think we all know where you stand vis-a-vis PR. Yeah, it sucks, but I tend to rank product quality over shipment date. But this is from a guy who just placed an order for a couple of level grouses from Alamo Four Star after reading posts about their customer service. (I got them, by the way, but 3 days after they promised... and I was sweating).
With PR, I am pretty sure I am going to get my product. Would I like it sooner? Yeah, but when I put my money down, I knew they were in the prototype stage, so I figured there would be a few slipped deadlines on the way to production. I would actually prefer a little later in production as opposed to earlier for that reason. Let them work the kinks out on someone else's scopes.
This also reminds me of something that happened at our company a few years back. We decided that we were going to give our employees annual raises. I pushed for it, but I said that these were annual raises, so we couldn't give everyone a big raise all at once. So we bumped everybody around 3.5%. The guys who were on the lower end of the payscale complained that their raise wasn't as much as the guys on the higher end. The guys on the higher end complained that because of their performance, they expected a higher raise than everyone else. All of a sudden, people started quitting. We had a mass exodus of employees over a pay raise! We don't do pay raises any more. F 'em.
I am not going to make a similar mistake and get pissed at PR because someone got their scope before me. But that is the way that I look at things. YMMV. </div></div>
Sorry, Bad example with pay raises. If I shell out $2500.00 - 6 months early with the understanding of getting the item before everyone else and at a cheaper price, then don't. getting pissed is a mistake?
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
I have a few PH scopes and they are worth the wait. It didnt come out until July I think and the target date was June.Not bad considering it is a new product.Other scope builders promise 3 month's and it take 9 months to a year to get it and it's prepaid up front and it is not a new design. As for people paying more or less money well that's the american way dealers and the factory have a choice on how much margin to make for themselves.If your unhappy call them and post what they say here.If I was waiting that's what I would do
I have a few PH scopes and they are worth the wait. It didnt come out until July I think and the target date was June.Not bad considering it is a new product.Other scope builders promise 3 month's and it take 9 months to a year to get it and it's prepaid up front and it is not a new design. As for people paying more or less money well that's the american way dealers and the factory have a choice on how much margin to make for themselves.If your unhappy call them and post what they say here.If I was waiting that's what I would do
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
Gentlemen,
Having some experience working with manufacutring and distribution deals, most maufacturers live and die by their distribution systems. Very few manufacturers are good at distribution - it is not their main area of expertise.
The relationships are critical for a number of reasons - it allows them to get a new product to market quicker by selling to the disributor without the need to advertise inthe retail market. Consumers can be a fickle lot, abd the best mouse trap ever invented can go nowhere without a pro serving as a ready buyer and taking the retail risk off the manufacturer's hands. Could a manufacturer make more on an item if theysold retail directly? Probably, but they would then have to take their eye off the manufacturing ball and invest in a retail staff and distribution capacity. That is a rather large investment of time and money - time and money better spent in building a better product.
The distributors are key, and as a consequence the agreements with distributors tend to provide icentives to get the distributor to share in the risk in getting a product to market. One typical provision is that the manufacturer agrees they won't sell below the suggested retail price. If they didn't do that, they would impair a distributor's ability to discout the item and stay in business.
Another typical provision is product delivery - the distributors who have made forward commitments to buy in bulk from the manufacturer get served first. This system allows the manufacturer to hit a break even on a new product before going into full scale production. There is no guarantee a product will be bought by consumers, but ifthe distributors atep up to the plate, it allows amanufacturer to at least cover their costs for a new product before they make the investment in a new line.
I have no association with PH or any of their distributors, so I have no first hand knowledge of the exact arrangements. However, I'd bet a paycheck the arrangementis pretty close to what I have described.
When a manufacturer takes orders at a convention like SHOT, they are really just testing product potential. It gives them an ideaas to whether they have a winner or a flop. In this case, I think PH never expected the volume of interest and pre orders. They got way over their skis before they realized they had an issue. Kind of like the dog that chases cars - what does he do when he catches one?
Sounds like the scopes are on their way. And the ones coming have pretty well debugged at this point.
Don't forget, other companies in the tactical space are having the same issues. I waited over 7 months for a Magpul PRS stock, and Magpul is not exactly a slouch when it comes to customer service. PH is relatively new to making and selling scopes, so in one sense for them to be lagging 6 to 8 months in deliveries of a product that they just tooled up for is pretty damn impressive in this market.
Gentlemen,
Having some experience working with manufacutring and distribution deals, most maufacturers live and die by their distribution systems. Very few manufacturers are good at distribution - it is not their main area of expertise.
The relationships are critical for a number of reasons - it allows them to get a new product to market quicker by selling to the disributor without the need to advertise inthe retail market. Consumers can be a fickle lot, abd the best mouse trap ever invented can go nowhere without a pro serving as a ready buyer and taking the retail risk off the manufacturer's hands. Could a manufacturer make more on an item if theysold retail directly? Probably, but they would then have to take their eye off the manufacturing ball and invest in a retail staff and distribution capacity. That is a rather large investment of time and money - time and money better spent in building a better product.
The distributors are key, and as a consequence the agreements with distributors tend to provide icentives to get the distributor to share in the risk in getting a product to market. One typical provision is that the manufacturer agrees they won't sell below the suggested retail price. If they didn't do that, they would impair a distributor's ability to discout the item and stay in business.
Another typical provision is product delivery - the distributors who have made forward commitments to buy in bulk from the manufacturer get served first. This system allows the manufacturer to hit a break even on a new product before going into full scale production. There is no guarantee a product will be bought by consumers, but ifthe distributors atep up to the plate, it allows amanufacturer to at least cover their costs for a new product before they make the investment in a new line.
I have no association with PH or any of their distributors, so I have no first hand knowledge of the exact arrangements. However, I'd bet a paycheck the arrangementis pretty close to what I have described.
When a manufacturer takes orders at a convention like SHOT, they are really just testing product potential. It gives them an ideaas to whether they have a winner or a flop. In this case, I think PH never expected the volume of interest and pre orders. They got way over their skis before they realized they had an issue. Kind of like the dog that chases cars - what does he do when he catches one?
Sounds like the scopes are on their way. And the ones coming have pretty well debugged at this point.
Don't forget, other companies in the tactical space are having the same issues. I waited over 7 months for a Magpul PRS stock, and Magpul is not exactly a slouch when it comes to customer service. PH is relatively new to making and selling scopes, so in one sense for them to be lagging 6 to 8 months in deliveries of a product that they just tooled up for is pretty damn impressive in this market.
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here are some pics of the beast the range.
I had a chance to shoot it out to 1K last Friday and it is a pretty sweet piece of glass.
Going Mil/Mil is a bit of a change for me but I'll get the hang of it soon.
And no I didn't shoot off the bench. Just used for pics. LOL </div></div>
Now I know what it will look like on my rifle when the scope finally gets in
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here are some pics of the beast the range.
I had a chance to shoot it out to 1K last Friday and it is a pretty sweet piece of glass.
Going Mil/Mil is a bit of a change for me but I'll get the hang of it soon.
And no I didn't shoot off the bench. Just used for pics. LOL </div></div>
Now I know what it will look like on my rifle when the scope finally gets in
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
god i am getting anxious, hopefully mine will be here within the next week or so.
god i am getting anxious, hopefully mine will be here within the next week or so.
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
Waiting for 2 to get here tonight via UPS fell like a kid on Christmas
Now where is the F---ing driver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Waiting for 2 to get here tonight via UPS fell like a kid on Christmas
Now where is the F---ing driver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Stoffels</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Waiting for 2 to get here tonight via UPS fell like a kid on Christmas
Now where is the F---ing driver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! </div></div>
thanks for rubbing it in Bill.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Stoffels</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Waiting for 2 to get here tonight via UPS fell like a kid on Christmas
Now where is the F---ing driver!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! </div></div>
thanks for rubbing it in Bill.
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
Just got my 2 mounted on a 338 lapua and the 375 Cheytac
Wow these are keepers!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just got my 2 mounted on a 338 lapua and the 375 Cheytac
Wow these are keepers!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
Anyone else get theirs lately? We must be due for the next batch soon...
Anyone else get theirs lately? We must be due for the next batch soon...
Re: Got my Premier Heritage 5-25x56 Gen 2 XR in!!!
I ordered mine Dec 23 and received it Tuesday of this week. Well worth the wait - what a tank!
I ordered mine Dec 23 and received it Tuesday of this week. Well worth the wait - what a tank!
