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Guessing this is why Marines are giving up armor......

Two words: Air Superiority

Armor has ALWAYS been at the mercy of who controls the air this is nothing new
People still think it was German tanks that did so much damage to Russia. But no body knows that Germany had 3,000 air kills in the first three days of operation Barbarossa. Germany ran into tons of places where using tanks did nothing. But with total air supremacy they could take out enemy positions with the luftwaffe.
 
People still think it was German tanks that did so much damage to Russia. But no body knows that Germany had 3,000 air kills in the first three days of operation Barbarossa. Germany ran into tons of places where using tanks did nothing. But with total air supremacy they could take out enemy positions with the luftwaffe.

Fun fact, Germany lost that war and were pounded back 1,150 miles by artillery. Air Power has yet to win a war.
 
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People still think it was German tanks that did so much damage to Russia. But no body knows that Germany had 3,000 air kills in the first three days of operation Barbarossa. Germany ran into tons of places where using tanks did nothing. But with total air supremacy they could take out enemy positions with the luftwaffe.



Was also consulted for his opinion of what makes a successful ground attack aircraft by the designers of the A-10.
 
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Well after we dropped the second one I'm pretty sure The Bomb(s) convinced them to quit
Their complete lack of raw materials, their fleets, air power, fighting aged men, and the unwinnability of the war meant that Japan was already on the verge of announcing their surrender. We decided Japan was an easy target to display the power of our atomic weapons. Also, we chose the Christian region of Japan for one of the bombs, aimed the bomb at a church as a landmark, and killed almost every single Christian on the island of Japan. How Christian of us.
 
Their complete lack of raw materials, their fleets, air power, fighting aged men, and the unwinnability of the war meant that Japan was already on the verge of announcing their surrender. We decided Japan was an easy target to display the power of our atomic weapons. Also, we chose the Christian region of Japan for one of the bombs, aimed the bomb at a church as a landmark, and killed almost every single Christian on the island of Japan. How Christian of us.


For the million Americans figured to die or be wounded if MacArthur had his way but instead lived, I will shed no tears.

The Japanese military wanted to fight on. Even had a coup and attempted to hijack the Emperor.

Sure the bomb was as much a message to the Russians as the Japanese, perhaps in addition to saving our Pacific troops it prevented us fighting the Russians in '46.

Too bad we had so many spies working within our borders to allow the cocksuckers almost instant parity.

Patton and Tail Gunner Joe were right.
 
Artillery doesn't win wars and the atomic bombs aren't why Japan surrendered.
Stalin didn’t call artillery the God of War without cause. I should clarify. Artillery wins industrial land wars and similar.
Well after we dropped the second one I'm pretty sure The Bomb(s) convinced them to quit
The emperors will was broken as of 26 July.
 
Their complete lack of raw materials, their fleets, air power, fighting aged men, and the unwinnability of the war meant that Japan was already on the verge of announcing their surrender. We decided Japan was an easy target to display the power of our atomic weapons. Also, we chose the Christian region of Japan for one of the bombs, aimed the bomb at a church as a landmark, and killed almost every single Christian on the island of Japan. How Christian of us.
I was in Okinawa around 82" and I remember my dad asking me what the island was like when I was home on leave.

To me this was a funny question to hear from my father because he never talked about the war, or about him, his three brothers and all of them not being home for five years.

So I told him that it was pretty modern bla bla bla.

He flipped out and let it rip because the United states sunk all that money and blood into the island to only give it back.

He told me that when he left Okinawa after his tour was done that there wasn't even a weed growing there.
Then he went further to say he'd wished the military would have destroyed the whole island for the shit those cocksuckers did to us.
So yeah I'm a Christian and give ZERO FUCKS about the JA Pan Co.

Remember Pearl Harbor
 
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Gee wiz, I wonder what advancing forces used to take out enemy artillery with.
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Except that artillery is the King of Battle.
That Marine artillery battery taught the Russian mercenary battalion and their armored vehicles this lesson a few years ago In Syria.
Artillery opened up and stopped the column. Then the Apaches did the killing. Hellfires for tanks, 30mm HE for all the Infantry on the ground. 70+ unrecognizable is what I heard, and at lest 250 dead.
 
For the million Americans figured to die or be wounded if MacArthur had his way but instead lived, I will shed no tears.

The Japanese military wanted to fight on. Even had a coup and attempted to hijack the Emperor.

Sure the bomb was as much a message to the Russians as the Japanese, perhaps in addition to saving our Pacific troops it prevented us fighting the Russians in '46.

Too bad we had so many spies working within our borders to allow the cocksuckers almost instant parity.

Patton and Tail Gunner Joe were right.
MacArthur was insane. He had this idea that we had to physically seize Japan and kill every person who opposed us. An island with almost no raw resources and few fighting men left, who we could have shelled from the sea for years if we wanted. This is the same psychopath that wanted enough nuclear weapons to kill every person in China and North Korea for daring to fight us.

We needed to win the war. We didn’t need to kill hundreds of thousands of people to display a weapon in a nation we knew were on the verge of surrender. You can not justify to me that we are in the right for immolating people who had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor, simply for being Japanese. That’s a very simplistic way of looking at war. OUR team are the GOOD guys and everything we do is RIGHT. Anyone whois against us are the BAD guys and nothing too bad can happen to them.
 
MacArthur was insane. He had this idea that we had to physically seize Japan and kill every person who opposed us. An island with almost no raw resources and few fighting men left, who we could have shelled from the sea for years if we wanted. This is the same psychopath that wanted enough nuclear weapons to kill every person in China and North Korea for daring to fight us.

We needed to win the war. We didn’t need to kill hundreds of thousands of people to display a weapon in a nation we knew were on the verge of surrender. You can not justify to me that we are in the right for immolating people who had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor, simply for being Japanese. That’s a very simplistic way of looking at war. OUR team are the GOOD guys and everything we do is RIGHT. Anyone whois against us are the BAD guys and nothing too bad can happen to them.
He wasnt really wrong about China.
 
MacArthur was insane. He had this idea that we had to physically seize Japan and kill every person who opposed us. An island with almost no raw resources and few fighting men left, who we could have shelled from the sea for years if we wanted. This is the same psychopath that wanted enough nuclear weapons to kill every person in China and North Korea for daring to fight us.

We needed to win the war. We didn’t need to kill hundreds of thousands of people to display a weapon in a nation we knew were on the verge of surrender. You can not justify to me that we are in the right for immolating people who had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor, simply for being Japanese. That’s a very simplistic way of looking at war. OUR team are the GOOD guys and everything we do is RIGHT. Anyone whois against us are the BAD guys and nothing too bad can happen to them.

Japan had plenty of manpower left and plenty of will to fight.

They had no offensive ability but were willing to dig in and die if it meant saving face.

Some of their best troops were in Manchuria, China and Korea. They just couldnt get them anywhere.

Shit the last one surrendered abouts 1974.

I have a signed book from Lt Onada that gave up in 72.

The militarists wanted to die. Everyone else wanted to just save face and would die to do so.

MacArthur actually did a good job postwar in Japan.

His egomania matched Japanese egomania.

We didnt have an unconditional surrender nor did we "de nazify" Japan like we did Germany - They got their Emperor in exchange for us not mopping up through 1950 or longer.
 
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By the way......

Every Allied WWII amphib/offensive was preceded by an air/arty campaign guaranteed to kill every living thing in the LZ.

How did that work out?

Destroying MonteCassino ABBE made it stronger.

It all has to work together.

Exploitation is the King of Battle.

Forrest had it right
  • Get there first with the most men.
    • Reported by General Basil W. Duke and Richard Taylor
    • Often erroneously reported as "Git thar fustest with the most mostest." In The Quote Verifier : Who Said What, Where, and When (2006) by Ralph Keyes, p. 272, the phrase he used has also been reported to have been "I always make it a rule to get there first with the most men" and "I just took the short cut and got there first with the most men."
  • Every moment lost is worth the life of a thousand men.
    • Said to Braxton Bragg at Chickamauga, September 18-20, 1863. As quoted in May I Quote You, General Forrest? by Randall Bedwell.
 
Anyone talking about laser effectiveness has no experience with lasers. If you want to disrupt laser guidance, that might work great. But there is no laser that can be powered from a vehicle, or even from most static systems, that can cut through any appreciable amount of material. Maybe you could kill a guidance system if you got lucky. When industrial lasers of the 3KW range are cutting through 3/4" steel with a focal distance of 4 inches, with the application of cutting oxygen, that works great. Now shoot that same laser over several miles, at a fast moving target with a constantly changing focal distance, with mirage and all the deficits of optics, and you aren't doing jack. If you could even physically put a light transmission through the mirage at the thing you're aiming at, the beam would be so large a diameter and so scattered by atmosphere that it wouldn't cut. Planes are slower but it's the same thing. It isn't where you're aiming.

So you think you're a laser weapons expert because you work with industrial laser cutters?

Dude, stay in your lane



And that's just a crude prototype
 
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Those same Kurd slaughtering militias where on US payroll a 2013-2017 out of total of 41 groups Turks are using 28 were part of the US programs Timber Sycamore and Train and Equip, before US cut the funding and Turks took over. Kurds are just another tribe of corrupt goatfuckers, lionising they get from the media is just good old fashioned propaganda.

Only good thing is Pentagon and CIA suck at training monkeys ........500 something Mio $ later :ROFLMAO:


Things you think you know out of Syria are all propaganda.
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/09/23/syria-leaks-uk-contractors-opposition-media/


Yeah but YOU know what's going on. LMFAO
 
Artillery was so important when we invaded Afghanistan, we didn't even risk bringing them ashore. Those howitzers were made of gold or some shit.
Isn't it funny that the people talking the most about what or who is the king of battle or whatever never served in any capacity, let alone deploy somewhere where they needed to do shit?
 
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MacArthur was insane. He had this idea that we had to physically seize Japan and kill every person who opposed us. An island with almost no raw resources and few fighting men left, who we could have shelled from the sea for years if we wanted. This is the same psychopath that wanted enough nuclear weapons to kill every person in China and North Korea for daring to fight us.

We needed to win the war. We didn’t need to kill hundreds of thousands of people to display a weapon in a nation we knew were on the verge of surrender. You can not justify to me that we are in the right for immolating people who had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor, simply for being Japanese. That’s a very simplistic way of looking at war. OUR team are the GOOD guys and everything we do is RIGHT. Anyone whois against us are the BAD guys and nothing too bad can happen to them.
Get the fuck out of here with your pussy ass revisionism. Seriously. Get the fuck out.
 
No not really.
The reality is some people need to do some serious studies on military history.

308 pirate, I mentioned the navies laser program and it went right over his head.

We could never slug it out in WWII conditions today with the mindset of Kumbaya with the mainland.
 
MacArthur was insane. He had this idea that we had to physically seize Japan and kill every person who opposed us. An island with almost no raw resources and few fighting men left, who we could have shelled from the sea for years if we wanted. This is the same psychopath that wanted enough nuclear weapons to kill every person in China and North Korea for daring to fight us.

We needed to win the war. We didn’t need to kill hundreds of thousands of people to display a weapon in a nation we knew were on the verge of surrender. You can not justify to me that we are in the right for immolating people who had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor, simply for being Japanese. That’s a very simplistic way of looking at war. OUR team are the GOOD guys and everything we do is RIGHT. Anyone whois against us are the BAD guys and nothing too bad can happen to them.
You realize that the Japanese population was training to fight us for every inch of Japan. As soon as the first boot hit sand every single one of our POWs was going to be killed. It wasn't to uncommon for the Japanese to eat killed POWs. They still say nanking never happened, to this day. If you aren't familiar with nanking, a nazi had to walk the streets stopping war crimes. Many more people would have been killed if we invaded, millions. And no I don't care about them, it would have been thousands of us.
 
You sound like a 22 year old It/They/Them Marxist Arts Theorist saying “Not my President!!!” to the parts of history that you don’t like.

The only revisionist here is you. Did you have the same kind of revulsion against our carpet bombing of German and Japanese cities with conventional explosives?

You sound like a pussy who doesn't know how to win wars.

The Japs got what they got for starting a world fucking war.
 
Oh and one more thing, just to be nice we dropped pamphlets everywhere telling them to get out of the city. Whats next your gonna tell us dresden was a war crime?
 
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You realize that the Japanese population was training to fight us for every inch of Japan. As soon as the first boot hit sand every single one of our POWs was going to be killed. It wasn't to uncommon for the Japanese to eat killed POWs. They still say nanking never happened, to this day. If you aren't familiar with nanking, a nazi had to walk the streets stopping war crimes. Many more people would have been killed if we invaded, millions. And no I don't care about them, it would have been thousands of us.
Yes I understand that. I’m familiar with Nanking. It might be the worst genocide I can think of? The medical experiments were particularly horrifying. The Japanese found ways to make auschwitz and dachau look tame.
 
So you think you're a laser weapons expert because you work with industrial laser cutters?

Dude, stay in your lane



And that's just a crude prototype

Damn that’s cool! You’re right, I didn’t think we could adapt lasers into long range roles like that. Shipboard makes a lot of sense with power available but I’m especially surprised at the land mobile systems. Thanks!
 
The only revisionist here is you. Did you have the same kind of revulsion against our carpet bombing of German and Japanese cities with conventional explosives?

You sound like a pussy who doesn't know how to win wars.

The Japs got what they got for starting a world fucking war.
I didn’t say anything ‘revisionist’. My opinion is that the war could have ended in a much less costly way.
 
Costly for whom? The Japanese of 1945?

Fuck them. The price they paid is irrelevant.

Like I said, you clearly don't know how to win wars.
I don’t know how to win wars. I’ve never won one.

I don’t think we should confuse revenge with winning a war. It worked, no doubt.