You prick! lolHere’s the 223 trainer I built
Seriously cannot wait to get mine! (even if my wallet says otherwise)
He’s just a little Guy! Let’s see the little 223 trainers!
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Seriously cannot wait to get mine! (even if my wallet says otherwise)
Can you dm me some more pics of the rifle? Been trying to decided if i want to rebarrel my rifle with a light palma or medium palma. Have an m24 on it right now and it is way to damn heavy. Want to see how that light palma looks
26”
R15 88’s @2660
they shoots one hole at 100 and it’s pretty easy to keep em inside of 3/4 moa at 600
R15 88’s @2660
they shoots one hole at 100 and it’s pretty easy to keep em inside of 3/4 moa at 600
I just bought this one off a member in the classifieds here a few weeks ago...a slick little Howa 1500 in .223. It's a dream to shoot.
18" 1/12 barrel, same Timney trigger as my duty rifle, riding in a B&C stock. I added a Primary Arms 4-14x FFP, and it gets along fine with my Yankee Hill Resonator K on a QD mount.
I like it a lot. Shoots Black Hills 40gr into groups you can cover with a quarter at 100 yards off the bipod and squeeze bag, and crappy Federal 55gr range ammo's covered by a half dollar. Looking forward to load development. Apologies for the potato-quality camera.
18" 1/12 barrel, same Timney trigger as my duty rifle, riding in a B&C stock. I added a Primary Arms 4-14x FFP, and it gets along fine with my Yankee Hill Resonator K on a QD mount.
I like it a lot. Shoots Black Hills 40gr into groups you can cover with a quarter at 100 yards off the bipod and squeeze bag, and crappy Federal 55gr range ammo's covered by a half dollar. Looking forward to load development. Apologies for the potato-quality camera.
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.223 Trainer for 82 Gr Berger (85.5 Gr once I run out of 82's)
AICS Thumbhole Chassis
Remington 700 BP&T Action
PTG Small Spiral Fluted Bolt
Timney Calvin Elite Trigger
Chambered by Roberts Precision Rifles - Spring, TX
20" Broughton 1:7 Twist. Barrel and muzzle brake contoured by LRI (Sendero Contour)
Arken Optics SH4 6-24X50 W/ Arken Halo Rings
Folding "Pocket Sniper" Remington 700. It's not a 223 (308), but it does get the job done in a very compact format.
I appreciate it!
The mag in the picture is a metal MDT 10 rounder. I got it from Short Action Precision, they have them in stock for $70. The polymer MDT 10 rounders for $40 work just fine also.
Ohhh, that explains it. I have one of the polymer ones and I didn't recognize the one in your picture
Oh totally, just joshin' ya... Only peeved that you have one & I don't. I'm on the list with Greg though so it's 'in the works' so to speak. Just jealous is all, haha!
A little present for my boy.
You have some great videos showing trace and impacts... can you help detail out your setup to get such good video and what you are using? I haven't tried playing around with anything, but it looks cool and I would like to try it out.
My little Ruger American Ranch Rifle in 5.56.(straight outta the box)
Finally got it sighted in today.
Leupold 4-12
5 rnds@50 yds. 55grn Magtech fmj
It's a fun little plinker!
Finally got it sighted in today.
Leupold 4-12
5 rnds@50 yds. 55grn Magtech fmj
It's a fun little plinker!
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Ruger RPR 223 AI. It’s a hoot to shoot running 75gr ELDM at around 3000fps.
I am a professional photographer/videographer by trade so the editing, timing and color grading is the extra but this is all done with iPhone 12pro phoneskope connected to Vortex viper HD 15-45x60 spotter for the target cam and GoPro hero 6 on shooter cam. all edited in final cut proX software. I need to use my Sony mirrorless cameras as the shooter cam for better video quality but don’t want to haul the expensive cameras to the range every time
I made and sold these for almost 2yrs. They were definitely available. I know when I mentioned I was gonna do it, it took me/us 2mths to have the first working version.
Greg added a few cool changes, should hit the market very soon.
True, but I've only had an AI for a year or two, I was a bit late to the party... I was one of the few that ordered one of Sam's Accuracy Obsession chassis' before owning an AI because I've never been a huge fan or their ergos. Anyway, cool to hear that the kits might be available soon, thanks.
I'm a huge 223 fan and this is my favorite
22" 223AI built by LA Precision
22" 223AI built by LA Precision
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Pva remage 16” marksman
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Thanks for the detail. Makes more sense now. Definitely professional quality. I will checkout the phoneskope
Unfortunately don't have any pictures of groups since I finalized load development or at distance. Pushes 88s at 2815.
My .223 has been through a number of different variations, but as someone else said earlier… is it really a “trainer” if it’s your most shot/well-used rifle?
All of them! All of the muzzle devices. That is the correct answer.
Build one.
I ponder taking it every match instead of my 6mm and pretending to be a hero for the day with it.
I don’t… I want to be competitive and past 800 it gets noticeably harder than the 6mm but I love my 223.
I’ve shot mine in several matches including the Brawl at Rifles Only. With the majority of stages usually inside 600yds the 223 doesn’t struggle. But 1000yds hasn’t been an issue either. I usually shoot either 85.5 or 80.5’s.
Wind calling will need to be on par, and spotting your impacts is critical with less shown splash.
but overall it’s a great choice.
The one I posted is not really a trainer as much as my new primary 1k yard rifle. I like it more than my 6.5x47. The wind drift at 1k is around 10% more than any 6 or 6.5 non magnum rounds I have seen. It really is pretty much identical to most 6BR family cartridges unless they are really hot rodded. Haven't once regretted building it.
PS. 88 ELDM are dirt cheap though they can be tough to track down at times.
223AI on a trued up R700. Sleeved firing pin, sako extractor, IBI 1:7 twist barrel. It's a fantastic rifle out to 500m which is the limit of our range where we shoot PRS style matches. I'm shooting 80gr custom comps @ 2920 using ADI brass, 2206H (H4895), BR4 primers.
I've also got a trainer for my trainer A Lithgow LA101 22LR also in a Bravo stock with the same everything else. We shoot rimfire matches at the same range. It goes ok with the Lapua Center-x.
I've also got a trainer for my trainer
A Lithgow LA101 22LR also in a Bravo stock with the same everything else. We shoot rimfire matches at the same range. It goes ok with the Lapua Center-x.~25 cents each is what I am seeing in bulk.
I have some that I played with early on with a 22" 1:7 Wilson barrel and didn't see the best accuracy compared to 75 ELDs. I recently picked up a new 24" 1:7 Krieger barrel and am going to give it another try.
What powder are you using?
My last batch i got for $0.22 each and my first were $0.18 each from Powder Valley and Midsouth respectively. I am using 24.3gn of Varget now with a 27" Bartlein. Have gone as high as 24.7 but it kills primer pockets in 2 reloadings that high. With a 24" Krieger I would guess you would be around 2750-2780 ish. I couldn't get mine to shoot till my jump was around 0.035". Not sure on my freebore. I measured to see how much longer I could seat in a mag and used a unithroater after the initial chambering to get it to the jump I wanted at mag length. I have shot it to a mile and it seems to do very respectably out to that far at least. Have done 8 for 15 on an 18" plate on my last trip.
7 seconds of flight time is a VERY rough count brother.
3000 feet in 1000 yards, a bullet traveling 2800 fps at the muzzle gets there in about 1.5 seconds.
But I agree, it seems like longer sometimes
Factor in deceleration? It's about 1.93 seconds. But still not near 7. Maybe to hear the sound bounce back if hitting a plate(do 77 grain bullets make a sound loud enough to hear at 1000 yards?)
7 second is to hear the ding of the bullet hitting the plate. It was barley there but you could tell it was a hit or not with the DING!
Since this seems like the right place to ask: what kind of accuracy capability do you guys see with the 75/77gr stuff at ~750yrds and then at 1000yrds..? Is sub-MOA unrealistic on calm days at those distances?
I'm not interested in anything heavier than the 75/77gr stuff in 223 since if I decide to build one then the plan will be to buy a shitload of components right from the jump and shoot the crap out of it for a while, so I'm going to want to use it to shoot Tactical division in matches (which means nothing heavier than 77gr).
Running numbers quick and dirty, it looks like it shouldn't be too hard to keep a 75gr ELD-M supersonic until ~1000yrds? I'd kind of expect it to go to shit beyond 1000 when its out of gas with a low BC and becoming transonic... but I've heard the 223 PRS Tactical division guns shoot great at 600.. do they really fall off in performance that fast when pushed past that (as compared to the 6mm's)?
I'm not interested in anything heavier than the 75/77gr stuff in 223 since if I decide to build one then the plan will be to buy a shitload of components right from the jump and shoot the crap out of it for a while, so I'm going to want to use it to shoot Tactical division in matches (which means nothing heavier than 77gr).
Running numbers quick and dirty, it looks like it shouldn't be too hard to keep a 75gr ELD-M supersonic until ~1000yrds? I'd kind of expect it to go to shit beyond 1000 when its out of gas with a low BC and becoming transonic... but I've heard the 223 PRS Tactical division guns shoot great at 600.. do they really fall off in performance that fast when pushed past that (as compared to the 6mm's)?
On paper they may not look significantly different, but they’re just much more difficult to shoot at distance compared to 6mms. Obviously wind plays a big factor in that, but the lack of feedback past 600 yards is even harder to overcome. Factor in mirage, shadows, etc. and you’re fighting to even see the plate move or splash in the dirt… forget about which way it’s swinging or how much you missed by. And that’s not to say that it can’t be done or that you shouldn’t try it, just don’t expect 6mm performance from a .223 no matter how similar they seem on paper.
In terms of accuracy, anything is possible. And in perfect conditions (no wind, no mirage, stable shooting position, etc.), I would say sub-moa is certainly attainable. However, I would also venture to guess that you won’t be shooting that rifle too often if you’re waiting on perfect conditions in a match.
And again, all this is not to say that .223 isn’t a perfectly capable round. It is, especially with the right chamber and load. Just temper your expectations and your primary uses for it and you’ll be extremely happy.
Browsing hit the nail on the head. Once you figure out what its doing at 1k its good. But not seeing any splash or anything makes knowing exactly where youre hitting tough, especially in wind. Ive had times where Ill shoot a few and go "god damnit Im just wasting ammo" to walk up to the plate and see some small feint marks where I had been hitting all along, they dont swing a full size ipsc at all. Thats why its not as competitive as a 6mm to me but flashers would help.
@just browsing and @spife7980 thanks for the info guys...
...so I suppose my club having these monitors and big-ass sight-in plates at 600, 750, 1000, 1250yrds will come in handy?
...so I suppose my club having these monitors and big-ass sight-in plates at 600, 750, 1000, 1250yrds will come in handy?
