lol, first two have no electricity, and the last one is less than 40 acres (lol), but has a cool gym!
Hey western Montana folks
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Having lived in both Billings and Bozeman Montana, and the neighboring state Wyoming, I feel like I can give a credible opinion on both states...
One of the biggest problems are the MT voters- on average they're more naive compared to the average WY voter and more likely to believe the BS from the DEMS & RINOs.
More of MT's citizens are from Scandinavian countries where the people are much more likely to be conned into leftism. It hurt's MT's politics and culture that there are many more indian reservations, and ski/snowboard resorts, compared to Wyoming. Big budget movies have also made MT a destination for many- especially from the big money, BLUE areas of CA, WA, and OR.
Since at least the early 90s and that movie ARRTI, all of the above have made MT a destination for very many wealthy Kommifornians who buy huge ranches, and expensive McMansions in town, all over western MT, making land and housing costs skyrocket.
I much prefer the scenery and terrain of western Montana over both eastern MT and most of the state of WY, but finding a nice small to midsize ranch at a price affordable to the non-wealthy, is a real challenge.
Also, BlackRock, Bill Gates, Ted Turner, and similar entities and other billionaires, have bought up hundreds of millions of acres in Montana.
The struggle is real, but the effort is worth it.
One of the biggest problems are the MT voters- on average they're more naive compared to the average WY voter and more likely to believe the BS from the DEMS & RINOs.
More of MT's citizens are from Scandinavian countries where the people are much more likely to be conned into leftism. It hurt's MT's politics and culture that there are many more indian reservations, and ski/snowboard resorts, compared to Wyoming. Big budget movies have also made MT a destination for many- especially from the big money, BLUE areas of CA, WA, and OR.
Since at least the early 90s and that movie ARRTI, all of the above have made MT a destination for very many wealthy Kommifornians who buy huge ranches, and expensive McMansions in town, all over western MT, making land and housing costs skyrocket.
I much prefer the scenery and terrain of western Montana over both eastern MT and most of the state of WY, but finding a nice small to midsize ranch at a price affordable to the non-wealthy, is a real challenge.
Also, BlackRock, Bill Gates, Ted Turner, and similar entities and other billionaires, have bought up hundreds of millions of acres in Montana.
The struggle is real, but the effort is worth it.
You just have to bring your own electricity when you want 40 acres....
I would say your view is both accurate and well explained. I see that all around me. Here, going into summer the U Haul lots are full of trucks and enclosed trailers people have dropped off at the end of their journey.
I traveled and worked all over America. I have never, ever seen so many mini storage warehouses that were built in the last 5 years. They continue to built giant storage facilities as well as large enclosed units that will house a 40' motor home or Fifthwheel. Watched an investor build 6 - 8 enclosed parking units for motor homes. Never put up a sign or advertisement. They were rented before he finished building them.
I'm not sure what the plans are for people coming here on a "wing and a prayer" with the hope things will improve, financially.
Having grown up on the Idaho side of the Tetons I can testify to this as well. With family still in the area and also in both MT and WY the rush of commie money into the areas since the 90’s to buy up land has driven the cost of living out of reach for most. Been trying to find a way back but nothing but a dream thus far.
It's really sad because the majority of native Idahoans, Montanans, Wyomingites, and South Dakotans are Americans and not democrats, so if they're priced out because of some Kommifornians or other dems- it hurts that Red state's elections, culture, and authenticity.
If you take those thoughts and expand them to a worldwide scale... You will see the path of the Deep State's (or what ever you want to label it) plan to rule the world. Two examples are Europe and the Middle East. The cultures in those countries are being "diluted" as well. The strongest countries with the deepest foundations are being targeted.
The "Nickle and Diming" continues.
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Conservation licenses required for Montana fishing access sites starting July 1
Starting July 1, those who don't fish or hunt will be required to purchase a conservation license to use fishing access sites, wildlife management areas, and state trust lands managed by the DNRC.
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Welcome to the club, next will be a required parking pass, followed by a launch fee etc etc etc…….they will tell you it’s for upkeep and maintain etc etc….but it will all find its way into the ”general fund” and from there to re-election campaigns……..The "Nickle and Diming" continues.
Conservation licenses required for Montana fishing access sites starting July 1
Starting July 1, those who don't fish or hunt will be required to purchase a conservation license to use fishing access sites, wildlife management areas, and state trust lands managed by the DNRC.
GOP gets its wish with Sheehy in Montana: ‘A blank canvas with a big checkbook’
Senate Republicans got their wish Tuesday as businessman Tim Sheehy officially launched his bid to unseat Sen. Jon Tester (D-Mont.), handing the GOP one of their top recruits as they try to take do…
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"Biden’s alphabet agencies have no business intimidating hardworking Montanans," Rosendale told Fox News Digital in an exclusive statement. "The weaponization of our government must end, which is why I am proud to introduce this legislation to prohibit taxpayer funds from being leveraged against the American people."
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EXCLUSIVE: Rep Rosendale introduces bill to prohibit the IRS from purchasing guns after armed Montana raid
Rep. Matt Rosendale introduced legislation to ban IRS agents from purchasing taxpayer-funded firearms, after the personal information of Montana gun owners was unexpectedly seized.
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Rosendale is a developer from Maryland. Pretty sure Zinke and Daines have ties to Commiefornia. I have met Daines, he is a nerd.
We have a red super majority in the state, yet my property taxes just skyrocketed. This is all just a shell game and we are pretty much fucked.
We have a red super majority in the state, yet my property taxes just skyrocketed. This is all just a shell game and we are pretty much fucked.
Montana has experienced explosive/near explosive population growth- especially over the last 15 years, and big tax increases come with that. It's very unfortunate.
Current Events: Sticker shock over recent property appraisals in Missoula
This edition of Current Events takes an in-depth look at property appraisals that were recently sent out to residents.
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The key moment, he said, came back in 2012 when Glacier Tool won a U.S. Department of Defense contract to produce trigger hammers for M16 rifles. The initial order was for 65,000 parts, but it came with the potential to expand the contract to as many as 480,000 — well beyond what Glacier could produce without scaling up its operation.
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While this example is not in Montana, it is in Idaho and is a good example of the "Government" taking over the water. Like cancer, there have been new laws that fly under the radar yet can leave a man's homestead high and dry when it comes to water. Think twice before relocating to an area where Water Rights are being bought up (one way or another) by the big money operations. They buy off the local governments and then you have desert property... Once the big money buys all the property then the government turns the water back on.
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Enforcement. The State, through [IDWR] and local water districts
created and supervised by IDWR pursuant to Idaho Code §§ 42-604 et seq.,
shall distribute water to the federal reserved water rights set forth in this
Stipulation and the Partial Decrees and all other hydraulically connected
water rights, regardless of subbasin location, above the ending point of the
respective federal reserved water rights in accordance with priority dates,
quantities and all other elements of the rights as provided in this Stipulation
and the Partial Decrees, and applicable law at all times when there is a
hydraulic connection between the federal reserved water right and the right
to be regulated. While this paragraph does not affect the present
administration of existing water rights from tributary sources that are
administered separately, all new water rights that are hydraulically
connected with the Wild and Scenic Rivers federal reserved water right will
be administered as a single source.
PRELIMINARY ORDER EXPANDING, MODIFYING, COMBINING, AND ABOLISHING
WATER DISTRICTS - Page 6
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Enforcement. The State, through [IDWR] and local water districts
created and supervised by IDWR pursuant to Idaho Code §§ 42-604 et seq.,
shall distribute water to the federal reserved water rights set forth in this
Stipulation and the Partial Decrees and all other hydraulically connected
water rights, regardless of subbasin location, above the ending point of the
respective federal reserved water rights in accordance with priority dates,
quantities and all other elements of the rights as provided in this Stipulation
and the Partial Decrees, and applicable law at all times when there is a
hydraulic connection between the federal reserved water right and the right
to be regulated. While this paragraph does not affect the present
administration of existing water rights from tributary sources that are
administered separately, all new water rights that are hydraulically
connected with the Wild and Scenic Rivers federal reserved water right will
be administered as a single source.
PRELIMINARY ORDER EXPANDING, MODIFYING, COMBINING, AND ABOLISHING
WATER DISTRICTS - Page 6
Judge sides with young activists in first-of-its-kind climate change trial in Montana
A Montana judge sided with young environmental activists who said state agencies were violating their constitutional right to a clean and healthful environment
The effects of being a "Boom Town". Things are getting busy in Mayberry.
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Ravalli County short staffed, looking for 911 dispatchers, detention officer
Ravalli County is in need of one detention officer and more 911 dispatchers to ensure safety for the community and for inmates.
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Another Liberal City taxing the wealthy home owners to build more homeless camps.
According to Biden and Jerome Powell... Inflation is under control.
Hmmmmm
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MISSOULA - While city officials worked to justify their budgeting decisions for FY24 and the 9.7% city tax increase approved on Monday night, members of the public decried the city's priorities and urged it to tighten its belt and make difficult choices moving forward.
But even then, few members of the public agreed on what to cut. Some wanted to add even more money to address homelessness. Some wanted to eliminate spending on the so-called Justice, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion program, calling it unproven and wasteful. Others wanted to cut police while some wanted to pour additional funding into social services, even at the taxpayer's expense.
Boil it down and several residents expressed fear of being taxed out of their homes. They didn't care who was to blame — the state or the city — for the ever-increasing taxes. And while some council members have added to the budget, including council member Daniel Carlino, others attempted to cut, including council member Sandra Vasecka.
The budget passed on a 9-3 vote.
Missoula Mayor Jordan Hess laid the foundation for Monday night's vote, saying again that inflation “was eating the city alive.”
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According to Biden and Jerome Powell... Inflation is under control.
Hmmmmm
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MISSOULA - While city officials worked to justify their budgeting decisions for FY24 and the 9.7% city tax increase approved on Monday night, members of the public decried the city's priorities and urged it to tighten its belt and make difficult choices moving forward.
But even then, few members of the public agreed on what to cut. Some wanted to add even more money to address homelessness. Some wanted to eliminate spending on the so-called Justice, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion program, calling it unproven and wasteful. Others wanted to cut police while some wanted to pour additional funding into social services, even at the taxpayer's expense.
Boil it down and several residents expressed fear of being taxed out of their homes. They didn't care who was to blame — the state or the city — for the ever-increasing taxes. And while some council members have added to the budget, including council member Daniel Carlino, others attempted to cut, including council member Sandra Vasecka.
The budget passed on a 9-3 vote.
Missoula Mayor Jordan Hess laid the foundation for Monday night's vote, saying again that inflation “was eating the city alive.”
Missoula City Council approves 9.7% tax increase
For every $100,000 of a home's assessed value, which is determined by the state, the new city budget will cost Missoula residents $377 in city taxes.
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So cut all of them. Reduce property taxes by 10% instead of raising it. Problem solved.
What do your property taxes look like in Montana?
My home in Georgia is worth maybe a quarter million, and I pay about $2000 in property taxes annually. Georgia has an income tax, though, and I typically pay more in Georgia income tax than I do in federal income tax each year.
My home in Georgia is worth maybe a quarter million, and I pay about $2000 in property taxes annually. Georgia has an income tax, though, and I typically pay more in Georgia income tax than I do in federal income tax each year.
Property taxes differ by county. Montana has no sales tax. There is both Federal and State income tax.
In order to compare Montana to different states you would have to enter the Matrix.
Rural cost of living is markedly higher than living in one of the larger cities.
Income is lower than most states.
There is a definite financial divide between the 3 - 4 largest cities and the rest of the state.
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I should add, low for a certain $ value compared to where I live - but with that having been said, real estate is much more expensive in Montana, so the bill would inevitable be higher for the same house, because it would cost more there.
I did not want to leave any misleading impressions from my last post.
Understood.
Continuing on:
The 15 best U.S. cities for first-time homebuyers—the top 3 are in Texas
For younger first-time buyers, the small military city of Killeen, Texas, is considered the best place to buy a home.
Went out over Red Lodge and landed at Billings. One hell of a trip.
Maybe they are on a "Recruiting Junket".
Looking for sharks…….duh!
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Shark found on riverbank in landlocked Idaho causes alarm, officials say
A salmon shark found on the shores of the Salmon River in Idaho last week was dropped there for what officials say was likely a prank "for a good laugh."
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The next endangered species. Shut down the lake and all access to the lake... LOLLooking for sharks…….duh!
Shark found on riverbank in landlocked Idaho causes alarm, officials say
A salmon shark found on the shores of the Salmon River in Idaho last week was dropped there for what officials say was likely a prank "for a good laugh."
Sounds like the working class is getting fed up with the Liberals building "Homeless Camps" and funding people who chose to be homeless.
Cost a county a lot of $$$ to support the homeless.
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Cost a county a lot of $$$ to support the homeless.
Missoula County proposes 5.4% tax increase; cites state tax system
Missoula County on Thursday unveiled its preliminary budget and is proposing a 5.4% tax increase.
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KALISPELL — State wildlife officials report that two Whitefish men recently killed a grizzly bear in self-defense in the Whitefish Range north of Whitefish.
The two men were scouting for hunting season near Smokey Range Trailhead in the Flathead National Forest on the afternoon of Aug. 26, 2023, when they encountered a female grizzly bear with a cub.
The men were walking through a thick section of forest when they surprised the bears inside of 15 feet.
The adult bear charged the individuals, and both men shot and killed the bear.
One of the men was shot in the back shoulder during the incident and was taken to the hospital.
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The two men were scouting for hunting season near Smokey Range Trailhead in the Flathead National Forest on the afternoon of Aug. 26, 2023, when they encountered a female grizzly bear with a cub.
The men were walking through a thick section of forest when they surprised the bears inside of 15 feet.
The adult bear charged the individuals, and both men shot and killed the bear.
One of the men was shot in the back shoulder during the incident and was taken to the hospital.
FWP: Grizzly bear killed in self-defense encounter in Whitefish Range
State wildlife officials report that two Whitefish men recently killed a grizzly bear in self-defense in the Whitefish Range north of Whitefish.
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OR . . . maybe it was a calculated strategy. If the bear did not go down, then the gunshot would slow his buddy down enough for him to get away.
Most likely scenario. Old joke where I grew up around Yellowstone:
What is the smallest caliber needed to survive a bear encounter? 22lr, shoot someone else in leg/foot and run like hell.
Yep, you don't have to be faster than the bear...just faster than your buddy.
Raising taxes on the home owner's so they can build more homeless camps... In the parks the home owners paid for. The Great Reset has come to Montana
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Council member pushes for homeless camps in Missoula city parks
Council member Kristen Jordan detailed her concept, saying the authorized city camps would include outhouses, needle disposal bins and trash containers.
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A job opportunity has popped up for me in Kalispell, I’m sure there are those with thoughts on living in this general area. Pros/cons, things to look for etc. Wife is an RN so her finding work wouldn’t be an issue, also have 2 daughters.
Pro's and Cons:
It is a beautiful area.
3 million + visitors to Glacier Park every summer
Kalispell has allowed the "Big Box" developments outside of the Old Town. Crowded
A guess on my part - Infrastructure is lagging well behind development which will result in land grabbing by the city and taxes escalating more rapidly than other areas.
Politics's (US Senator) has some exclusive developments going in the Whitefish area.
Due to in-climate weather conditions my doctors and RN's are required to live within 20 minutes of the hospital where they work. Of course, more expensive housing.
IMHO.... Two working adults with two children will need to knock down $300k / year in order to simply exist. $400k / will allow you to be comfortable.
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I am somewhat prepared for the increase in coat of living, especially coming from Iowa and having a mortgage at 3.3%, so any move will increase my cost of living. Case in point, my brother is paying $1350/mo for a 2-bedroom apartment here now.Pro's and Cons:
It is a beautiful area.
3 million + visitors to Glacier Park every summer
Kalispell has allowed the "Big Box" developments outside of the Old Town. Crowded
A guess on my part - Infrastructure is lagging well behind development which will result in land grabbing by the city and taxes escalating more rapidly than other areas.
Politics's (US Senator) has some exclusive developments going in the Whitefish area.
Due to in-climate weather conditions my doctors and RN's are required to live within 20 minutes of the hospital where they work. Of course, more expensive housing.
IMHO.... Two working adults with two children will need to knock down $300k / year in order to simply exist. $400k / will allow you to be comfortable.
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Understood... I'm am not attempting to discourage you.
If you read some of my post, I will frequently discuss the cost spectrum from "region to region".
Those that settled in the Kalispell region 5 - 10 years ago are established as far as mortgage, store of supplies, taking advantage of deals that are seasonal, etc. So, those folks will give a, somewhat, different perspective.
Political climate is changing. Soros money is pouring in to change the political landscape.
Influx of Liberals are robbing from the rich and building homeless compounds.
If you follow the "Healthcare Ratings" Montana is usually a 3 while the mega cities (Seattle, Minneapolis, etc) are a #1. Lifeflight routinely takes critical patients to either and not to regional hospitals.
If you or your wife is job shopping, always ask if there is a "housing allowance" as part of the pay.
If you move "Bring it with you ... or ... Do without."
You will find a "Boom Town" mentality when you arrive.
$300,000 to $400,000???
Median household income in Kalispell is far below the national median, at $55,411 (2021), so how is this possible? Is 70% of the population working homeless, with their kids waking up from sleeping bags in the mini-van to go off to school, while mom and dad go to work?
Why would property values not revert back to mean? I have seen the home price listings there go from 200s to 500s last year and now 600s this year (median listings, not sales, not median home value), so who is buying them, and how can they be buying them without driving up the median income as well?
Median household income in Kalispell is far below the national median, at $55,411 (2021), so how is this possible? Is 70% of the population working homeless, with their kids waking up from sleeping bags in the mini-van to go off to school, while mom and dad go to work?
Why would property values not revert back to mean? I have seen the home price listings there go from 200s to 500s last year and now 600s this year (median listings, not sales, not median home value), so who is buying them, and how can they be buying them without driving up the median income as well?
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As of May, it is taking more than 4 months to sell, and the selling price is trending downward.
That is a huge drop in one year, and a doubling of the wait time to get a sale (those sellers were hoping for last year's numbers and timing).
A few reasons:
I traveled and worked in the heavy industrial world. Every big, overtime job had hands from Montana working those jobs. I always tried to get my fitter to be one of the guy's from Montana. hard workers, good attitude and there was always an invite to come up and fish or hunt with them at the end of the job. Their wages went back to Montana.
A lot of workers have been on jobs where the wages were inflated in order to keep the best workers with that company. They can pay a $2,000 / month mortgage.
The largest Investment Bankers / Brokers are buying up real estate and snagging those $500k homes before the man on the street even knows they are for sale.
Some are living in the "company House" as a benefit to their wages..
What's it worth for a man to get his family out of one of the shit hole cities ?
Welcome to the "Great Reset"...
Why would investment bankers buy $500k homes in Montana. That makes no sense. If this is a second/vacation home, wouldn't they be buying much more expensive property?
A $500k home can be turned into rental property or an Airbnb.... The movie people like Yellowstone gobble up the rentals and Airbnb's when they are on location.
The elite have 3 - 4 vacation homes with one being in Montana. It is a tax write off for company entertainment, etc. They buy property at The Hampton's for the expensive properties. That is where their trophy house is located.
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