Hodgdon powder 14oz? WTF

[dang472]

I just bought a MEC Shotshell reloading press and bought the required components. I picked up a bottle of Hodgdon's Clays and it's 14oz instead of 1lb. Has this been going on for awhile with shotgun powders or are they keeping prices the same but reducing quantity? The damn ice cream companies have been doing this recently with their 1.75 quart containers instead of half gallons. Messing with my powder and ice cream could be a dangerous proposition.....

 

[RotARy15]

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Some powders take up more space for the same weight.

And if I remember correctly, Trailboss comes in 9 oz bottles.

The price is adjusted accordingly.

 

[High Binder]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dang472</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just bought a MEC Shotshell reloading press and bought the required components. I picked up a bottle of Hodgdon's Clays and it's 14oz instead of 1lb. Has this been going on for awhile with shotgun powders or are they keeping prices the same but reducing quantity? The damn ice cream companies have been doing this recently with their 1.75 quart containers instead of half gallons. Messing with my powder and ice cream could be a dangerous proposition..... </div></div>

It's common everywhere. A consumer advocate website I read called the Consumerist calls it the "grocery shrink ray". However, if they're selling it as a lb and you weigh it out and it comes to 14oz than that's fraud and not a shrink ray. I would call them and give them a little riot act and demand a few free lbs. That being said I bet this is an outlier, because everyone who reloads also has scales and the ability to check...

 

[High Binder]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RotARy15</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some powders take up more space for the same weight.
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Space is irrelevant. Weight is weight, and 14oz is not 16oz no matter how much space it takes up.

 

[RotARy15]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RotARy15</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some powders take up more space for the same weight.
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Space is irrelevant. Weight is weight, and 14oz is not 16oz no matter how much space it takes up. </div></div>

Not necessarily. If you want to streamline your product and only use 1 container for all your powders, space becomes very relevant. They have containers that are a size that holds 1lb with most powders and then those powders that require more space get price adjusted to what will fit.

 

[George63]

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how would the fact that someone "Assumed" the container was 16oz when the label read 14 oz make the manufacturer/ retailer or anyone other than that person somehow wrong?

 

[jlow]

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LOL!

 

[dang472]

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It looks like they ran out of room in the standard 1lb container. It was filled to the top. I never claimed any fraud but I did choose this powder because of the price. Now I know why it was a few dollars cheaper! I just assumed the small containers were an industry standard 1lb. On a side note, why don't the powder manufacturers offer rifle powders in the 4lb. containers? It seems like a great option for those who don't need $160 8lb jugs.

 

[NoFail]

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^ yeah, 4 lbs of Varget I would make that order before 8 lbs.

 

[High Binder]

Re: Hodgdon powder 14oz? WTF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RotARy15</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RotARy15</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Some powders take up more space for the same weight.
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Space is irrelevant. Weight is weight, and 14oz is not 16oz no matter how much space it takes up. </div></div>

Not necessarily. If you want to streamline your product and only use 1 container for all your powders, space becomes very relevant. They have containers that are a size that holds 1lb with most powders and then those powders that require more space get price adjusted to what will fit. </div></div>

That's obvious but that's not what we were originally talking about. The OP said he bought a 1-lb bottle of powder, it weighed out to 14oz so he was pissed. I falsely assumed he read the label correctly and it was indeed supposed to be 1-lb, the space issue was irrelevant to that conversation. As it turns out, the OP misread the bottle and was pissed because he thought he bought 1-lb.

 

[Genius.]

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Coffee doesn't come by the pound either anymore I realized. They come in 12 oz bags.

The price stayed the same, the quantity just got smaller

 

[dang472]

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It's like grabbing a brick of primers and realizing they are only 900ct. It's one of those times where you are reminded to always look at the labels. I got screwed big time a few years back when I bought a 6 pack of beer. The price was awesome. Like $4.50. I pulled the first beer out and realized it was a 7.5oz bottle. What the hell Bud Light? No one wants 2/3rds of a beer.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

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Hmmmm. I always called it the Little Debbie Syndrome...."still 25 cents!!" Yep sure are, and now same size as a case quarter.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmmm. I always called it the Little Debbie Syndrome...."still 25 cents!!" Yep sure are, and now same size as a case quarter.</div></div>


LMFAO.... Clays has NEVER been 1lb, 16oz, or anything else you can think of in the "1lb" container... just like Trailboss...

Hodgdon uses a standard size container... bulky powders will fill it to the rim before it weighs a pound, they just label it whatever fits and mark a price.

IF you're to retarded to see that it says 14oz or 9oz... and ALWAYS has, I seriously question your competence as a reloader.

 

[BuzzBoss915]

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All well and good and it's something most of us take for granted. But, he also mentioned ice cream. Never mind that I spent a good part of my life in the ice cream business, but that reduction from a half gallon was done on the sly, and I wouldn't be surprised if some consumers that don't read labels are still not aware. But, it's the same with what used to be a nickel Snickers, when I was a kid. BB

 

[armorpl8chikn]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmmm. I always called it the Little Debbie Syndrome...."still 25 cents!!" Yep sure are, and now same size as a case quarter.</div></div>


LMFAO.... Clays has NEVER been 1lb, 16oz, or anything else you can think of in the "1lb" container... just like Trailboss...

Hodgdon uses a standard size container... bulky powders will fill it to the rim before it weighs a pound, they just label it whatever fits and mark a price.

IF you're to retarded to see that it says 14oz or 9oz... and ALWAYS has, I seriously question your competence as a reloader. </div></div>

I sure hope you aren't directing this ire at me. I have ALWAYS known that clays comes as 14oz and I know why.
I was speaking to the phenomenon of shrinking food, not shrinking powder containers.
I made light of it all because I agree that this subject is a bit rediculous if you have read a powder container.
Sarcasm is a tool I use with some frequency here. You have seen enough of my posts to know that.

 

[Force_Multiplier]

Re: Hodgdon powder 14oz? WTF

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Force_Multiplier</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: armorpl8chikn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hmmmm. I always called it the Little Debbie Syndrome...."still 25 cents!!" Yep sure are, and now same size as a case quarter.</div></div>


LMFAO.... Clays has NEVER been 1lb, 16oz, or anything else you can think of in the "1lb" container... just like Trailboss...

Hodgdon uses a standard size container... bulky powders will fill it to the rim before it weighs a pound, they just label it whatever fits and mark a price.

IF you're to retarded to see that it says 14oz or 9oz... and ALWAYS has, I seriously question your competence as a reloader. </div></div>

I sure hope you aren't directing this ire at me. I have ALWAYS known that clays comes as 14oz and I know why.
I was speaking to the phenomenon of shrinking food, not shrinking powder containers.
I made light of it all because I agree that this subject is a bit rediculous if you have read a powder container.
Sarcasm is a tool I use with some frequency here. You have seen enough of my posts to know that. </div></div>

directing it at anyone not smart enough to read data on reloading components... if it doesn't apply to you, forget it... if it does, I really don't care what you think

 

[dang472]

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Ahhhh yes, the old "incompetence" jab. First of all, the reloading data on the bottle is on the front. I rarely follow that to the letter because everytime my components are different than in their small sample chart. Right above the chart reads..."For a complete listing of all our data, go to www.hodgdon.com. I was too busy searching the site, reviewing MECs powder bushing charts, and verifying this was an equivalent load to standard AA Target loads to notice the 14OZ (397 GMS.)underneath the UPC barcode and Hodgdon's address. Apparently this information is so important to the safety and competence of my reloading practices that they put it in the back. Right next to that it says 1-888-JOIN-NRA. Shit.

 

[Ghogs Nightmare]

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Mine doesn't say "Shi*" on the back of it.

 

[dang472]

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Ha! Took me a second.

 

[Modoc]

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dang472,

I just checked the powder magazine, another shocker in shotgun powders is IMR SR7625, my old steel cans are actually printed 8oz. on the can even though they are the same can that the rifle and pistol powders (IMR 3031 and 4065) came in that are labeled 1lb. Just a mater of bulk density per powder. And Yes, I have some old cans still hanging around for my low volume (shooting wise) loads.

 

[Grump]

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I think Hi-Skor before the 700x and 800x iterations was also 8 oz.

We smart alecs always look at the weight right after we spot a "bargain" price.

Kinda like me getting miffed with my first on-line auction purchase of 125-gr JSPs when I really wanted JHPs. RTFP!

Read The Fabulous Post!!! Or label.

"Fluffy" powders usually take lighter powder charges anyway.

 

[cav has been]

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Everyone whining about the measure in a powder container,what about the whiskey container? from a quart down to 750 ml. Revolutions have been started for less.

 

[Grump]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pimpgun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everyone whining about the measure in a powder container,what about the whiskey container? from a quart down to 750 ml. Revolutions have been started for less. </div></div>
Who sells quarts of hard liquor?

I don't drink, but they were always "Fifths", as in 4/5 of a quart, back when my high school buds were scamming for booze. .8 of a quart = 25.6 ounces = 0.7570823568 of a liter, so I really don't see .007 liter short as being a problem...

 

[BuzzBoss915]

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IT'S THE PRINCIPLE!

That, and they keep trying to drag us into european metrics.