Holy Price Gouge

[pmclaine]

Im of the bent you can put whatever price you want on your item and than its up to the buyer to decide whether its a deal or not.

I guess it depends on the motivation. Are you trying to move a product or do you need X amount of money and the product is the means you hope to get you there?

People trying to move the item will adjust their price down until it hits the market chosen price.

People trying to get X amount of money may never get there if X amount of money exceeds the perceived value of what they are selling.

 

[pmclaine]

So I take it no one else capitalized on the 3rd Gen Shooter's Supply 30% off Inventory reduction sale 2 months ago? I thought the Obummer administration had us all trained to avoid the panic ammo buying BS. Am I the only one that learned something over the last 12 years? Let the assholes exploit the people who cannot plan ahead, just immortalize their behavior for everyone to see when the sales margins get thin, then you can indulge your schadenfreude and watch them starve when there's ample product on the shelves and no one will buy from them.

Damn missed that.

Love buying from 3rd Gen.

Why didnt you PM me?

 

[Centuriator]

Fuck I hate agreeing with you. Makes me feel like I need a bath.....or a drink of likker.

We must all make sacrifices at this time.

 

[1J04]

The "Problem" isn't so much some asshat putting a retarded price to his goods. Go for it. Just not here. Why would this community, or those of us that believe this is a community, support that? Fuck'm. Go play dipshit somewhere else......

 

[Centuriator]

The "Problem" isn't so much some asshat putting a retarded price to his goods. Go for it. Just not here. Why would this community, or those of us that believe this is a community, support that? Fuck'm. Go play dipshit somewhere else......

Yes, precisely...this. Why is so hard for some people to understand this point? When I sell things here I intentionally put lower prices on them, figuring let the guys here have first crack at it and cut 'em a break. If I want "top dollar" I put it up on Gunbroker.

 

[Steel+Killer]

Or if they got a link stuck on the top of the post that they couldn't edit that says, well here is what it goes for normally. If you want to get price gouged, go ahead but if you can wait, here is what it actually should cost you.

Wow...….come on give people here a little more credit...….so people here need to be coddled and have their hand held when buying something in the PX? I thought we were all big boys and girls here and don't need mommy and daddy to guide us...…...Come on with that shit this is what's wrong with this country now to many people can't wipe their own ass without guidance.

 

[TheGerman]

Maybe a 30 day time out is in order for those price-fixing shit

I don't know. I'm mixed on this the same way I am when .gov tries it. The difference I can understand is, its your EE whereas individuals aren't owned by the .gov.

I'd leave it, take notes and names and/or let them know this shit wont fly next time so don't even bother. It's a slippery slope getting involved in what something 'should' be worth.

Just like the guy with 17k bottles of sanitizer (hes actually worse because he caused a shortage in his AO), I just wouldn't buy from him and laugh, yet I'd also understand if someone burned his storage garage down.

 

[Rockrivr1]

As a new FFL I'm split here. I wouldn't want the Gov't to be telling me what I can and cannot charge for my goods and services. But on the other hand, I wouldn't stay in business very long if I tried to gouge people. Someone might buy something from me because they have no other choice, but it will leave a bad taste in their mouth and will not return when things go back to normal..

I get the community thing as I belong to a couple of gun forums and some of them are pretty tight knit. Though Capitalism is a double edged sword. If you don't like the price of something, you move on to somewhere else. A quick search though has 300 Blackout sold out at most online sellers. Price is going to head up from here.

 

[Centuriator]

Wow...….come on give people here a little more credit...….so people here need to be coddled and have their hand held when buying something in the PX? I thought we were all big boys and girls here and don't need mommy and daddy to guide us...…...Come on with that shit this is what's wrong with this country now to many people can't wipe their own ass without guidance.

 

[Lowlight]

Without a real consequence, there is no deterrence

A 30 Day Ban to press the point home, this isn't the place. Natural free-market adjustments are one thing, not as much inventory the price goes up. But this situation is not natural and clearly, with any ammo under these conditions, there is no real immediate need.

If the apocalypse happens, money won't matter as much as a skillset.

A BlackList is meaningless if the site just says, don't be this guy. But if we ban them, even for a short amount of time it sends a real message. Too easy to see your name on a list and say F You .... but when your name says Banned, that message resonates.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Interesting how the MIC an US gov price gouges tax payers, an no one bats an eye, if they are on the inside,...

 

[Lowlight]

I can't control what the government does beyond my one vote,

I control this website

 

[Maggot]

Honestly, idgaf. Demand and supply. If you are looking for ammo right now, you did it to yourself. I understand shooting ammo up and needing to replace, but just wait a month or three, or pay the prices if you think we will never see good priced ammo again.

if some dude stacked 50k rounds and selling at a profit, good, but maybe his ads are overpriced and he won’t sell any, good. Panic buys make you money if you bought low, i can’t knock someone who is able to do it

This is how I see it. You have the right to ask what ever you wish and the buyer has the right to buy or decline. That's freedom. A couple years back I had an extra bottle of Pappy's Van Winkle which I paid $59.00 for. Some one HAPPILY gave me $650 for it and would have bought more if I had it because they were going for $750-800. I was happy, he was happy, where's the foul?

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

I can't control what the government does beyond my one vote,

I control this website

I understand where your coming from ref here,... Most people don't like to think about both sides of the issue. They are just concerned about the side they are on the moment something happens.

 

[Centuriator]

This is how I see it. You have the right to ask what ever you wish and the buyer has the right to buy or decline. That's freedom. A couple years back I had an extra bottle of Pappy's Van Winkle which I paid $59.00 for. Some one HAPPILY gave me $650 for it and would have bought more if I had it because they were going for $750-800. I was happy, he was happy, where's the foul?

 

[supercorndogs]

I sold a couple thousand packs of 7.62x39 steel cased ammo last year. It cost 75 per thousand to get it on the UPS truck. ORD-M stuff could only way 66 pounds and it was 75 so it to go in two packages. So 150 bucks to ship 400 dollars worth of ammo, Left me with 125 per thousand. Its not cheep for Joe Blow to ship ammo.

I am not excusing some of the obvious price gouging. Just saying, shipping isn't cheap either.

 

[1J04]

This is how I see it. You have the right to ask what ever you wish and the buyer has the right to buy or decline. That's freedom. A couple years back I had an extra bottle of Pappy's Van Winkle which I paid $59.00 for. Some one HAPPILY gave me $650 for it and would have bought more if I had it because they were going for $750-800. I was happy, he was happy, where's the foul?

I'm sorry, but honestly, you're a clueless idiot. What is so hard for you to understand? You can do whatever you want, nobody gives 2 shits. The POINT is you're not gonna do THIS under these circumstances, HERE! Get it 420 Boy? FUBAR

 

[hermosabeach]

OP-

You sound like a CA politician who makes all ammo transfers go through an FFL with a background check for $19


round 2- is coming
you need a firearm registered to you in that caliber to purchase ammo

 

[Mike Casselton]

Wow...….come on give people here a little more credit...….so people here need to be coddled and have their hand held when buying something in the PX? I thought we were all big boys and girls here and don't need mommy and daddy to guide us...…...Come on with that shit this is what's wrong with this country now to many people can't wipe their own ass without guidance.

I'll tell you what's wrong. I can't wipe my ass because asshats are hoarding toilet paper.
If I don't find some by next week, I'll have to start wiping with my giant stash of coffee filters...

 

[Marinevet1]

Just like the POS in Tn., that has the 1800 bottles of H.S. and wants $70.00 ea. for em. Hope he ends up drinking them all! Mac

Just for FYI........that guy, and his brother who was also involved, donated all that hand sanitizer to some local churches to be given away as they saw fit...........but only after the state AG office got wind of what was going on.............

 

[Maggot]

I'm sorry, but honestly, you're a clueless idiot. What is so hard for you to understand? You can do whatever you want, nobody gives 2 shits. The POINT is you're not gonna do THIS under these circumstances, HERE! Get it 420 Boy? FUBAR

The bottle of Pappy's was sold to someone here One Jerk Off.

One Jerk Off, Ive told you repeatedly, no matter how you beg you cant suck my dick. Please stop asking. And as to my using 420, youve said that a number of times, and called me a liar when I said I used to but I dont any longer. I treasure my freedom and rights too much.

Being a big man is easy through a keyboard, perhaps not so much in person.

Ill make you an offer. book passage here, or drive, if no flights are available. Pay for a piss test. If I fail Ill cover the test and yuor round trip fare and you can hit me in the face with a baseball bat and Ill never post here again. If I pass, you pay for everything, I hit you with the bat, and YOU never post here again. Or are you just a gutless internet hero?

 

[1J04]

The bottle of Pappy's was sold to someone here One Jerk Off.

One Jerk Off, Ive told you repeatedly, no matter how you beg you cant suck my dick. Please stop asking. And as to my using 420, youve said that a number of times, and called me a liar when I said I used to but I dont any longer. I treasure my freedom and rights too much.

Being a big man is easy through a keyboard, perhaps not so much in person.

Ill make you an offer. book passage here, or drive, if no flights are available. Pay for a piss test. If I fail Ill cover the test and yuor round trip fare and you can hit me in the face with a baseball bat and Ill never post here again. If I pass, you pay for everything, I hit you with the bat, and YOU never post here again. Or are you just a gutless internet hero?

 

[Centuriator]

I am not excusing some of the obvious price gouging. Just saying, shipping isn't cheap either.

Thanks Captain Obvious, shipping is expensive. We are not discussing that.

We are talking about the jerks here, one guy for example, selling 250 rounds of Russian Steel 5.56 for $500.

Try to keep up.

 

[Snuby642]

I think no one here is that low on ammo yet so just kind of insulting .

 

[Centuriator]

I'm sorry, but honestly, you're a clueless idiot. What is so hard for you to understand? You can do whatever you want, nobody gives 2 shits. The POINT is you're not gonna do THIS under these circumstances, HERE! Get it 420 Boy? FUBAR

I hate agreeing with you...but....it has come to this.

 

[Centuriator]

The bottle of Pappy's was sold to someone here One Jerk Off.

One Jerk Off, Ive told you repeatedly, no matter how you beg you cant suck my dick. Please stop asking. And as to my using 420, youve said that a number of times, and called me a liar when I said I used to but I dont any longer. I treasure my freedom and rights too much.

Being a big man is easy through a keyboard, perhaps not so much in person.

Ill make you an offer. book passage here, or drive, if no flights are available. Pay for a piss test. If I fail Ill cover the test and yuor round trip fare and you can hit me in the face with a baseball bat and Ill never post here again. If I pass, you pay for everything, I hit you with the bat, and YOU never post here again. Or are you just a gutless internet hero?

 

[Centuriator]

Just for FYI........that guy, and his brother who was also involved, donated all that hand sanitizer to some local churches to be given away as they saw fit...........but only after the state AG office got wind of what was going on.............

Well, at least they did that much...morons.

 

[1J04]

I hate agreeing with you...but....it has come to this.

If you're trying to get on my good side, it's working. Now I gotta flight to catch. Gotta hot date set up, and she likes it rough!

 

[Lapuapalooza]

Yep. This right here. We don't go looking for no accolades for what we do, and most of it is done behind the scenes anyhow, but @powdahound76 is spot on to a fault on this. WE DON'T FUCK OUR PEOPLE OVER. WE HELP THEM! It's what this Community is about.

Uh uh... go sell your stuff somewhere else buddy! It’s camaraderie and all that until nobody pats your acrobatic turd dumping avatar on the back for something he’s still not doing, so you resort to name calling... really? Keep your motivational speeches to yourself until they are warranted. Jeez... ??

 

[Maggot]

If you're trying to get on my good side, it's working. Now I gotta flight to catch. Gotta hot date set up, and she likes it rough!

Be sure to tell 'yo momma' where youre going so she can send a medivac plane for you because Im good with a bat. ?

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

Tell me.

If some random person offered you $100 for 100rds of your 5.56 ammo would you take it?

Or would you scour the internet to find average retail and then give it to him for that?

What if you were down to your last 200rds? What is it worth to you then?


Price is supply and demand. If that was the last ammo on the planet how much would it be worth?

Retail + 15%?

 

[supercorndogs]

Thanks Captain Obvious, shipping is expensive. We are not discussing that.

We are talking about the jerks here, one guy for example, selling 250 rounds of Russian Steel 5.56 for $500.

Try to keep up.

Prices are exactly what is being discussed. I know people would not expect to pay $75.00 to ship a case of ammo. That is nearly a bill and on the surface would look like a gouge just trying not to loose money. Try thinking things through, rather than going straight to full retard.

 

[pmclaine]

The "Problem" isn't so much some asshat putting a retarded price to his goods. Go for it. Just not here. Why would this community, or those of us that believe this is a community, support that? Fuck'm. Go play dipshit somewhere else......

COMMunity..........COMMunist.

Same root word.

I've got a pre WWII Springfield 1903 C stock posted elsewhere.

It's NOS in the storage wrapping, pristine.

Springfield Armory no longer makes them, it will never be pre WWII times ever again, no other alternative has that sweet elegant profile.

I paid north of $500 for it almost ten years ago.

They haven't found a trove of them since.

I've got it priced at a rate I think represents this unicorn and what it's value is to someone wanting to build a sweet match 03.

Should I sell it cheap because "It takes a village" and we are "all in this together"?

I priced it according to what I have in it, lost opportunity for that $500 invested and increasing rarity.

It's not moving which tells me I priced higher than the market I have posted it in is willing to pay.

Well when the appropriate marketer comes along it will sell but I'm not giving it away to be part of that COMMunity.

On the other side of the spectrum I posted I'll take it last night here for a couple items I thought to be under priced. The seller would barely cover postage but I was willing to pay his full price.

Seconds after my post it hit another "I'll take it" appeared but that buyer wanted my items and a third item.

I told the seller to give that guy the two items I wanted as he would maximize his profit bundling the three items together.

You pick your battles. Seller asks a price, you don't like it. Walk away.

Only COMMunists set prices on the fruits of others labor or property.

 

[Fig]

I‘ve handed out a half dozen pistols and a few K of ammo over the last week to friends and family. I’ve offered rifles, but everyone wanted pistols.

I guess I’m a shitty apocalypse businessman...

 

[10ring'r]

Just for FYI........that guy, and his brother who was also involved, donated all that hand sanitizer to some local churches to be given away as they saw fit...........but only after the state AG office got wind of what was going on.............

I heard that he was possibly going to be investigated/charged, but d/n hear anymore. Good on him then, because when he was interviewed, he d/n show any signs of remorse, whatsoever. Thanks for the update. Mac

 

[BLKWLFK9]

Its probably already been said, but someone is retarded if they think someone would bite on that apple on SH. We of all people know the deal on anything gun related. That's just silly.

 

[kenny1773]

Someone should scam the price gougers out of their ammo
There is some sort of poetic justice in that, no?

 

[Lowlight]

COMMunity..........COMMunist.

Same root word.

I've got a pre WWII Springfield 1903 C stock posted elsewhere.

It's NOS in the storage wrapping, pristine.

Springfield Armory no longer makes them, it will never be pre WWII times ever again, no other alternative has that sweet elegant profile.

I paid north of $500 for it almost ten years ago.

They haven't found a trove of them sense.

I've got it priced at a rate I think represents this unicorn and what it's value is to someone wanting to build a sweet match 03.

Should I sell it cheap because "It takes a village" and we are "all in this together?

I priced it according to what I have in it, lost opportunity for that ver $500 invested and increasing rarity.

It's not moving which tells me I priced higher than the market I have posted it in is willing to pay.

Well when the appropriate marketer comes along it will sell but I'm not giving it away to be part of that COMMunity.

On the other side of the spectrum I posted I'll take it last night here for a couple items I thought to be under priced. The seller would barely cover postage but I was willing to pay his full price.

Seconds after my post it hit another "I'll take it" appeared but that buyer wanted my items and a third item.

I told the seller to give that guy the two items I wanted as he would maximize his profit bundling the three items together.

You pick your battles. Seller asks a price, you don't like it. Walk away.

Only COMMubists set prices on the fruits of others labor or property.

Seriously

Stop with these one-offs have nothing to do with the other bullshit posts

Having a unicorn that can normally sell high on any other given day is not the same

Stop with the false equivalency bullshit ...

Fuck, I FEEL like I should ban the lot of you for the length of this issue just because you so fucking retarded.

Having something of value and selling it at it's value is one thing, taking a commodity like ammunition and inflating the price to nearly double the market value because there is a shortage of it, is not the same thing.

I have all sort of ammo and whatnot here, I can go into the garage and pull out everything not being used and attached a "Value" to it. it's another thing to say, I have 6.5CM Prime Ammo, new in box and I want $500 per case is not the same

Who needs Prime 6CM, who wants Prime 308, or 338, I have all the ammo you are missing, now pay me double cause you want it more than I do, that is the point.

Fucking tools, now I just want to ban the guy permanently because you jackrabbits trying to justify it

 

[Threadcutter308]

COMMunity..........COMMunist.

Same root word.

I've got a pre WWII Springfield 1903 C stock posted elsewhere.

It's NOS in the storage wrapping, pristine.

Springfield Armory no longer makes them, it will never be pre WWII times ever again, no other alternative has that sweet elegant profile.

I paid north of $500 for it almost ten years ago.

They haven't found a trove of them since.

I've got it priced at a rate I think represents this unicorn and what it's value is to someone wanting to build a sweet match 03.

Should I sell it cheap because "It takes a village" and we are "all in this together"?

I priced it according to what I have in it, lost opportunity for that $500 invested and increasing rarity.

It's not moving which tells me I priced higher than the market I have posted it in is willing to pay.

Well when the appropriate marketer comes along it will sell but I'm not giving it away to be part of that COMMunity.

On the other side of the spectrum I posted I'll take it last night here for a couple items I thought to be under priced. The seller would barely cover postage but I was willing to pay his full price.

Seconds after my post it hit another "I'll take it" appeared but that buyer wanted my items and a third item.

I told the seller to give that guy the two items I wanted as he would maximize his profit bundling the three items together.

You pick your battles. Seller asks a price, you don't like it. Walk away.

Only COMMunists set prices on the fruits of others labor or property.

The difference being that your '03 is a serious collectors item and not something that is directly influenced by panic buying in the face of some virus..........

I get your point, but profiteering still sucks. You're not profiteering.

 

[jinxx4ever]

I heard that he was possibly going to be investigated/charged, but d/n hear anymore. Good on him then, because when he was interviewed, he d/n show any signs of remorse, whatsoever. Thanks for the update. Mac

i had heard also he was given a choice, bars or donation. Only our government is allowed to royally fuck the populace in broad daylight

 

[1J04]

COMMunity..........COMMunist.

Same root word.

I've got a pre WWII Springfield 1903 C stock posted elsewhere.

It's NOS in the storage wrapping, pristine.

Springfield Armory no longer makes them, it will never be pre WWII times ever again, no other alternative has that sweet elegant profile.

I paid north of $500 for it almost ten years ago.

They haven't found a trove of them since.

I've got it priced at a rate I think represents this unicorn and what it's value is to someone wanting to build a sweet match 03.

Should I sell it cheap because "It takes a village" and we are "all in this together"?

I priced it according to what I have in it, lost opportunity for that $500 invested and increasing rarity.

It's not moving which tells me I priced higher than the market I have posted it in is willing to pay.

Well when the appropriate marketer comes along it will sell but I'm not giving it away to be part of that COMMunity.

On the other side of the spectrum I posted I'll take it last night here for a couple items I thought to be under priced. The seller would barely cover postage but I was willing to pay his full price.

Seconds after my post it hit another "I'll take it" appeared but that buyer wanted my items and a third item.

I told the seller to give that guy the two items I wanted as he would maximize his profit bundling the three items together.

You pick your battles. Seller asks a price, you don't like it. Walk away.

Only COMMunists set prices on the fruits of others labor or property.

I don't care. I'm not into the "Let's (try) to fuck a Brother" program. You and some of these other idiots are having one helluva time understanding it doesn't fucking matter what (I) think anyhow, so why in the hell are you taking your time to address this fucking philosophy of yours? Talk to Frank. I agree with what he's doing on this and for the right reason. Do whatever the fuck you want. The point is, under THESE circumstances, and on THIS site, you're not gonna use the place as a spring board for that type of fuckery. Is that so god damn hard to really understand sport? Jesus fucking Christ.

 

[1J04]

The difference being that your '03 is a serious collectors item and not something that is directly influenced by panic buying in the face of some virus..........

I get your point, but profiteering still sucks. You're not profiteering.

No, he's not profiteering. He's missing the entire fucking point like some of these other idiots mixing apples n oranges. In fucking credible.............

 

[pmclaine]

Okay point missed.

Im just not into telling someone what they can or can't price their shit at.

I've had some great deals here and provided shit I had to others sometimes gratis just to help a guy out.

As has been noted PX seems to cause the most issues just ignore and dont buy from douches.

 

[Centuriator]

Prices are exactly what is being discussed. I know people would not expect to pay $75.00 to ship a case of ammo. That is nearly a bill and on the surface would look like a gouge just trying not to loose money. Try thinking things through, rather than going straight to full retard.

No, dummy, what is "being discussed" is the fact that on this forum we have examples of price gouging, in the extreme. Try to keep up.

 

[Threadcutter308]

Tell me.

If some random person offered you $100 for 100rds of your 5.56 ammo would you take it?

Or would you scour the internet to find average retail and then give it to him for that?

What if you were down to your last 200rds? What is it worth to you then?


Price is supply and demand. If that was the last ammo on the planet how much would it be worth?

Retail + 15%?

Simple. I'd point them to the internet and tell them to have a nice life. I don't have to get involved in any of this stupid shit. If I did, the last thing I would accept would be cash.

All my ammo went down with all my iron in a terrible boating accident out in the bay in front of my house. Insurance settlement pending.

I got's a migraine. Time to open the bar.......

 

[Centuriator]

Okay point missed.

And you just doubled down on missing the point, well done. Bravo. How about you just shut your yap and pay attention to what the owner of this forum is telling us. He will not put up with price gouging. He will ban people. How hard is this for you to comprehend? This is the point of this thread and discussion.

Don't be an idiot.

 

[Arc Light]

Damn, some of you guys are fucking obtuse. Frank has stated he doesn't want profiteering and price gouging on ammo because it is not truly scarce or unique. It's an artificial atmosphere created by a natural disaster. It is a temporary phenomenon. The ammo companies have not suddenly gone bankrupt or disappeared. In a month or two they will be back to making millions of rounds a month. Yet some of you guys think you know better. So sell your shit on any of the dozens of other gun sites for 500% profit.

I can see why Frank wants to shut the PX down.

 

[Centuriator]

Damn, some of you guys are fucking obtuse. Frank has stated he doesn't want profiteering and price gouging on ammo because it is not truly scarce or unique. It's an artificial atmosphere created by a natural disaster. It is a temporary phenomenon. The ammo companies have not suddenly gone bankrupt or disappeared. In a month or two they will be back to making millions of rounds a month. Yet some of you guys think you know better. So sell your shit on any of the dozens of other gun sites for 500% profit.

I can see why Frank wants to shut the PX down.

Indeed, and thank a lot to the idiots out there who are going to screw it all up for everyone.

 

[CxAgent]

The brothers who hoarded the hand sanitizer donated 2/3's of the remaining stash and the state confiscated the rest.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

The brothers who hoarded the hand sanitizer donated 2/3's of the remaining stash and the state confiscated the rest.

Yet it's OK for the state to gouge, an just keep raising taxes?