Holy Price Gouge

[OldSalty]

I seem to remember a thread in the scope forum about a shitload of people with 50 lbs of sand in their pussies because some high dollar scope brand (can't remember who) dropped their prices and they all "lost resale value" or had their "investments" devalued. Come on.......GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE with that socialist shit.


You're right. Nobody has a say in what someone should or can charge for selling their fucking property. Anyone who thinks they do is a shitbag fucking communist.

You know who's a fair weather free market advocate when shit like this happens. They're the first ones to cry "gouging" like a bitch.

Yea, you. Bitch.

Im a staunch free marketer.

But is it not against the free market to force the owner of said market to sell a product?

For whatever reason, the market owner has the right to choose the products they sell at the prices they want to sell said product.

Market forces will then dictate whether it was a good or bad decision either way.

 

[hlee]

I have never been to Midland TX, why would anything cost more there?

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Wouldn't it make more sense to just say, I got ripped off on this ammo and I would like to unload the ass raping to someone else because I am a poor

This is why it is difficult to regulate pricing in the PX, some dumb shit somewhere is going to over pay for something and then pass those savings on to the next fool

Can the forum automatically inject a link to ammoseek or ammo grab when it sees someone post ammo for sale?

Just saying, a link out to one of those sites inside every ammo post would be a forum benefit to forum members

The problem might just disappear at that point

Small town middle of fucking no where Texas. There's towns like this all over the state. Small shops without competition charge whatever they like. Cost of living doesn't tell the whole picture. Overall average expenditures may be lower, but specialty/niche/boutique items can be harder to source, and more expensive, than in larger cities. Hell, gas can be $0.20 or more per gallon more expensive in small towns. That said, $40 per box of 20 for 300bo is an ass raping.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Hi,

Well...since someone mentioned definition of price gouging....that is pretty simple when a Federal State of Emergency has been declared. Each State has different thresholds but typically when price is 10-15% higher than average prices over the previous 6 months before the Emergency Declaration.

And before anyone says Price Gouging per State of Emergency Declarations do not apply to individuals.....you are wrong.

Sincerely,
Theis

Thanks for the definition.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

I'm not so dense to understand that price gouging HERE is frowned upon. I get the whole community and we're all friends and friends just don't do that to each other. I'm down.

Still don't care someone wants to sell their property and set an asking price. The market will decide. It always does.

I'm NOT and we're NOT talking about food, water, or medicine as personal property here, although hoarding and then profiteering from that should and is illegal, we're talking about ammo that I doubt is an actual critical item in our current situation.

Lots o' sand in the bikinis today. But only kinda sorta entertaining.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

You take a two party check from Butte Montana?

Only if you're a Nigerian prince.

 

[BigTex]

Small town middle of fucking no where Texas. There's towns like this all over the state. Small shops without competition charge whatever they like. Cost of living doesn't tell the whole picture. Overall average expenditures may be lower, but specialty/niche/boutique items can be harder to source, and more expensive, than in larger cities. Hell, gas can be $0.20 or more per gallon more expensive in small towns. That said, $40 per box of 20 for 300bo is an ass raping.

Not to mention that it is the epicenter of TX oil and gas which attracts every swinging dick from near and far. Rent on a 1 room shithole is over $1k/month down there. I have neighbors here in Lubbock that drive the 120 miles back and forth every day to avoid paying the hyperinflated prices for everything in the Midland/Odessa area.

There used to be a gun store down there that was called Between the Walls, everyone referred to it as "Between the Cheeks". Not sure if it's still open.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Only if you're a Nigerian prince.

Well shit, I'm out then. WAIT,...You trade for anything that eats?

 

[Bullfrog08]

I get the whole community and we're all friends and friends just don't do that to each other.

Are you reading the same thread I just read? Nothing says friendship like offering to beat the shit out of someone with a bat, over a pot test!

 

[pmclaine]

In other developments.....

Got two cases of 30-06 FGMM arriving today..............along with a Kestrel and two pounds of BRCC Just Black..................why the fuck does my wife have to be home for this Corona virus shit? I prefer just quietly and singularly squirreling my toys away out of sight.

$185 shipped for a case of two hundred.

By the 20 round box I only see this shit selling at an ass raping $35 or so a box. This is so cheap it has stopped all my reloading operations because I was set up for 30-06 brass processing but am just opting to buy factory at this price.

It might be a bit of heavyweight recoil for some of you here, not suitable for air soft gunners like Centardiator, but if anyone is interested in a cheap contact on Team Americas original caliber to deliver justice PM me and I'll give you my contacts contact.

 

[bigwatchpilot]

Sorry, I believe in a free market system. Don't buy from him. I remember when Cheaper Than Dirt gouged the first time, over the top. I have not been back to that site since, will not support them.

I do believe in public shaming...not harassment but, a lot happens when everyone knows your name for doing dumb-shit stuff. Human behavior is fairly easy to manipulate.

This isn't food we are talking about or basic human needs to survive...this might be a tool for survival for some, but for 95% on here its a hobby and if you were not stocked up like me 7 years ago, you will have to wait till the supply is restocked or buy at inflated prices. I learned my lesson...and I would not have if guys like this did not exist.

 

[pmclaine]

Sorry, I believe in a free market system. Don't buy from him. I remember when Cheaper Than Dirt gouged the first time, over the top. I have not been back to that site since, will not support them.

I do believe in public shaming...not harassment but, a lot happens when everyone knows your name for doing dumb-shit stuff. Human behavior is fairly easy to manipulate.

This isn't food we are talking about or basic human needs to survive...this might be a tool for survival for some, but for 95% on here its a hobby and if you were not stocked up like me 7 years ago, you will have to wait till the supply is restocked or buy at inflated prices. I learned my lesson...and I would not have if guys like this did not exist.

Centfartmaker is going to tell you to shut up in 5....4.....3.....2.......

 

[bigwatchpilot]

It goes the other way too...when guys run into financial trouble and need to unload stuff, the vultures come sweeping in to pick the deals to nothing. I can honestly say...1 time I sent a guy, here on the Hide, more than he asked. His story sucked and his price was way, way, way to low. He could not believe someone would give more than he asked. Free market...we decide what we will pay and if we will pay.

Keeping in line with 'Price Gouging' reporting...I know Frank wants it discreetly reported to him but his is over the top!

https://www.snipershide.com/shootin...uff-for-high-end-optics.6991605/#post-8370590

 

[Fig]

Paper products, hand sanitizer, N95 masks, etc. aren‘t food either. Trying to be Duke and Duke during a national emergency and cornering the market when people are scared and panicking is NOT a tenant of capitalism. In a “free system” there are rules that apply to everyone.

Who would buy common ammo for $2 a shot? Someone panicking.

What about selling war materials to an enemy? What about economic and trade sanctions against a totalitarian country? ”It’s free market ‘capitalism’”? Seriously, I admire libertarians (at least it’s an ethos), but fuckall if it isn’t just as off the rails and stupid as communism in its extreme form when it’s so ridged it’s can’t bend to reality.

Just as we are free BECAUSE of laws, economic liberty (capitalism) exists because of rules that everyone must follow, and those rules often involve actions in dire situations that would be abhorrent under normal circumstances. Since we can’t agree on those circumstances we, unfortunately, have politics. For the extreme left everything is an emergency requiring force, and for the extreme right there is no such thing as an emergency...

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

I hope that guy in TN got a receipt for the hand sanitizer when he donated it to the charity. He will get a great tax deduction and not have to deal with the Poor's complaining about shipping costs.

 

[jakelly]

You take a two party check from Butte Montana?

It’s Butte America.

 

[W54/XM-388]

While I have other views about the stupid government folks who somehow expect that those that prepare should shoulder the burden for those that refuse to prepare for free and how that actually leads to less supply, in this case, it's basically we are a community & we don't like seeing folks jacking the prices way up on things.

The simple solution is kind of what Frank did.

Guy still has his listing up at the price he wants & is free to tell his story of how he overpaid and now would like someone else to overpay.
So fine, okay.

Now we'll enjoy a bit of free speech and community bonding and simply point out to anyone and everyone what the going prices are and what you could get the same item for, both past, present and future depending on the time / place / wait.

Then folks can decide what they want to do with all the information in front of them.

 

[Centuriator]

Looks like the gougers have up and skeedaddled from the PX....normal/reasonable prices for ammo appear to be the case now.

 

[346ci]

You need supply for the demand to go down, very little supply coming to the dealers. You can't sell high demand items for 2019 prices and keep the doors open.

The current election fraud is making it much worse.

 

[OldSalty2]

"Shortage".

But aside from that. Whats wrong with people who are willing and able to pay current prices?

 

[HousePlant]

Hey... I'm still confused at the used scope prices here. Sometimes so close to brand new I'm baffled... but I digress.

 

[Doc68]

Because some scopes are like cars or what not at holding their value. Bit this thread was made not about near an original price, it was made about a posting where a guy was charging over double the value of an item.

Doc

 

[2ndamendfan]

Go be poor somewhere else.

 

[2ndamendfan]

I'm able just not willing to pay exorbitant prices because of the useful idiots. Doing so screws everyone. In the military that's called being a buddy f*cker. Besides, why should I have to pay more because the useful idiots waited until the last minute to start having a supply of their own? The answer is simple, I shouldn't.

So you are pissed because others are willing to pay???
The value of any item is not based on what someone wants for it but is based on what someone will actually pay for it.
Just because you are unwilling to pay the price doesn't mean the item is over priced if in fact someone else is willing to pay.

You got caught with your dick in your hand, learn the lesson.

 

[squishee]

The biggest problem with all of this is the demand side of the equation. Stop demanding and these idiots will have no reason to gouge. How did demanding go for you as a kid with your parents? Not well right? Same principle still applies as an adult. Start demanding and you pay the price, literally. The problem gets compounded by people that will pay any price for something. They are the sellers side of the equation useful idiots. They allow the seller to justify their exorbitant prices. It's pretty simple stop demanding and rein in the useful idiots and prices go down.

I demanded ammunition from my dad as a kid once. He gave me a box off 22 and then sold my rifle to the neighbor.
I quickly learned who was in charge with my supply.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

LOLOL this thread was done in March, there was no lack of supply at the time, nor was there an "increase" in demand.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[Doc68]

Better get that 9mm at 75 cents a round now. When bidrn starts taxing it and eliminating online ammo sales it will be 2 bucks a round!

For wolf steel case. Lol.

Doc

 

[roamin]

Better get that 9mm at 75 cents a round now. When bidrn starts taxing it and eliminating online ammo sales it will be 2 bucks a round!

From the looks of things 9mm/556/223 may well be $1/round within the next few days. IMO the prices now are the worst we've seen since the shortage began and are increasing daily and Biden hasn't even taken office yet nor is it determined if we will keep the Senate. If we lose control of the Senate wait and see what the prices look like when his new gun control legislation is being drafted and hitting the floor for a vote a couple months from now $2/round may seem like a bargain.

 

[pmclaine]

From the looks of things 9mm/556/223 may well be $1/round within the next few days. IMO the prices now are the worst we've seen since the shortage began and are increasing daily and Biden hasn't even taken office yet nor is it determined if we will keep the Senate. If we lose control of the Senate wait and see what the prices look like when his new gun control legislation is being drafted and hitting the floor for a vote a couple months from now $2/round may seem like a bargain.

 

[pmclaine]

Exactly. I wish components were more available though. My primer stash might run out in a year or two. Even primers are selling for a +500% markup to the panic buyers in gunbroker

Im pretty well supplied right now - precision delta in 9, .38 and .45, cases of primers, brass, 168s and 175s out the wazoo, even some factory loaded. If things start getting tight its because Trump didnt have his shit together knowing that the communists were going to cheat their asses off.

 

[RTH1800]

I am baffled by the anger. If you bought gold at 400 and Amazon stock at 10.00 would you sell it to your “ friends” here for what you paid for it?
What about the farm you inherited from your grandparents? You have nothing in it. Will you give it away?

Conversely, someone bought JDSU at 160.00 and it’s now 5.00 would you demand to pay 160.00 “because that is what you paid for it?”

Logic says you buy and sell at market value at time of sale. Value is what buyer and seller agree on. No one else has any input.

 

[OldSalty2]

Im pretty well supplied right now - precision delta in 9, .38 and .45, cases of primers, brass, 168s and 175s out the wazoo, even some factory loaded. If things start getting tight its because Trump didnt have his shit together knowing that the communists were going to cheat their asses off.

I shoulda took you up on some of those smokin deals you were getting on the 168s. Im sitting ok, but...you know, there is never enough lol...

 

[Rlb40x]

So what % above retail can they sell for?
How do you know he didn’t over pay himself and now doesn’t want the items he over paid for?
Gougers suck, I agree but if you have ammo, are you willing to sell at prices you payed years ago? If not state the % that we should all live by.
I have 9MM that I payed $6.50 a box for. Am I a gouger if I price that at $15 per box? Or would $25 per box be bad also?
I have 45ACP that I payed $17 per 100, if I sold for $50 per box is that bad also?
it’s real easy, don’t buy if you don’t like the price. We’ve had 4 years to get your fucking shells, but some didn’t want to buy it when they had the chance. They went to movies, out to eat, vacations car shit etc and now want shit at a price they like.
When anti capitalist sell their homes, is it for what you payed or less?
Fucking amazing thought process and the same people would not like the buyer of their goods setting the price for them.
Just laugh and move on if someone wants a gilizion dollars for their shit, let them keep it or prepare for someone to set prices when you want to sell something. I have a feeling some bitching would not let that happen with their used scopes, gear guns or what ever.

 

[Rlb40x]

I obviously reload from my previous comments. I will work up and load ammo for people I know well enough to trust. I only charge for components not my time. The cost is a direct reflection of a fair current market value. That is to say I charge what the components would cost without the useful idiots driving costs up because they were too f*cking stupid to prepare ahead of time. I don't and wouldn't charge a 300%+ mark-up as a direct result of those that represent the epitome of stupidity. My honesty and integrity are worth more than that.

I get what your saying, I reload also. I have bulk bullets that I could never replace for what I payed, not even close. I could load them for friends then be out of components myself and no one would care. Some would pass on cheap components if they had the chance, because they expect someone to sell them a few when they are out.
I also personally know guys that don’t like to have money tied up in ammo, powder bullets etc. if they have 2-3 boxes they are good for the time being, then want a good deal when they run low. A couple guys that had 00 Buck that was $50 per 250 case 10 years ago on sale and cheap 9mm. They sold it because they didn’t think they needed much, now same guys asking me to sell them some for old prices. If I would sell, some of them would keep a few boxes then flip the rest for a profit.
I know one guy who sold his $150 per case 9mm three years ago, now he’s crying about the prices and being unavailable.
Like I said, I hate gougers also so I’ll keep what I have vs charging replacement cost.
I also hate to have thousands of dollars tied up in ammo because dems are constantly causing turmoil in prices and supply. I don’t buy cheap to resell, I bought it so I can shoot my pistols for $6.50 -$10 per box vs today’s prices.
I miss the days of stopping by the local shop before going shooting.
The people I referred to are good guys, but damn, don’t expect other people to buy and store ammo then come for a couple boxes for cheap because they didn’t want their money tied up in cases.
Like I said, FK gougers, but if you need or want what a gouger has, look in the mirror to the real problem.
News alert, people should also have food before your paying panic prices to eat.

 

[MarinePMI]

A small example of why I'm still shooting while everyone else is bitching. I don't have to pay f*ckhead prices. I plan ahead and prepare for the dipsh*ts of the current market. Like I said before. I still buy at market prices before the current fallout. Good times, lots of good times.

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Seriously. That's all you've got?

 

[Nik H]

In other developments.....

Got two cases of 30-06 FGMM arriving today..............along with a Kestrel and two pounds of BRCC Just Black..................why the fuck does my wife have to be home for this Corona virus shit? I prefer just quietly and singularly squirreling my toys away out of sight.

$185 shipped for a case of two hundred.

By the 20 round box I only see this shit selling at an ass raping $35 or so a box. This is so cheap it has stopped all my reloading operations because I was set up for 30-06 brass processing but am just opting to buy factory at this price.

It might be a bit of heavyweight recoil for some of you here, not suitable for air soft gunners like Centardiator, but if anyone is interested in a cheap contact on Team Americas original caliber to deliver justice PM me and I'll give you my contacts contact.

30-06???

Do they still make that?

 

[pmclaine]

30-06???

Do they still make that?

God shoots 30-06.

It will never go away.

Same with .45 ACP. Ordered a case of 1000 from the CMP the other day to stock up for class use.

 

[RTH1800]

God shoots 30-06.

It will never go away.

Same with .45 ACP. Ordered a case of 1000 from the CMP the other day to stock up for class use.

Did God pay full retail on the .45 ammo? Please clarify.
Thank you,
RTH

 

[pmclaine]

Did God pay full retail on the .45 ammo? Please clarify.
Thank you,
RTH

Oh, Oh....

Just went to the E-Store to post a link to their page.

Not showing case of 1000, Blazer 230 grain ball in brass case anymore.

I either bought the last case at $393 shipped or I am going to get an email telling me "Sorry but that item has been sold out and is no longer available"

and I am not God.......I just try to be like him.

 

[RTH1800]

Sorry, I read you post wrong. Just curious who was getting a discount.

 

[Deleted member 113831]

A small example of why I'm still shooting while everyone else is bitching. I don't have to pay f*ckhead prices. I plan ahead and prepare for the dipsh*ts of the current market. Like I said before. I still buy at market prices before the current fallout. Good times, lots of good times.

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That bin wouldn't hold all my primers.

 

[MarinePMI]

 

[pmclaine]

Sorry, I read you post wrong. Just curious who was getting a discount.

I think God reloads......He doesnt buy retail.

 

[RTH1800]

I think God reloads......He doesnt buy retail.

Does he need any Bullseye? I have been sitting on a bit of extra I could cut him a deal on and might need a bit of help down the road concerning various alledged transgressions. Nothing was ever proven of course.

 

[RTH1800]

Might throw in some large pistol primers for the right deal.

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

So who decides what market value is?

 

[RTH1800]

Buyer and seller.

 

[RTH1800]

You first sentance is the answer. All else is opinion.
I bought gold at 265/OZ. What "should" I sell it for?

 

[RTH1800]

Yep it is an opinion. I take pride in that opinion though. It means my moral and ethical compass points a little truer than most nowadays. I won't use a bad situation for everyone as a get rich quick scheme.

Can you please provide a list of your asset portfolio that you will sell at under market due to your superior moral and etihcal compass?

What you seem to overlook is that there are only two people involved in determining value. Both willing participants. What you or I think is irrelevant if we are not in the deal.

I am not promoting "gouging" and actually do not even think it possible to do so. It is simply an agreement between a willing buyer and a willing seller.

That being said I just sold 400 Lapua new .308 brass and 1K 175 grain SMK's to a friend for what I paid 8 years ago. But, if we agreed it was 10K instead it would not be gouging. Just a mutally agreeable deal.

 

[pmclaine]

Does he need any Bullseye? I have been sitting on a bit of extra I could cut him a deal on and might need a bit of help down the road concerning various alledged transgressions. Nothing was ever proven of course.

He uses W231.

Probably as dirty as bullseye but flows through his Dillon nice and its so versatile as to be used in any pistol caliber he chooses in which case he tends to be pretty conservative and sticks with .38 Spcl 148 gr HBWC, 9mm and .45 ACP of course.

I think he is pretty busy these days though prepping to smite the communist for election stealing (I hope).

 

[pmclaine]

@2aBaCa

So who decides what market value is?

Buyer and seller.

Buyer and seller IN A COMPLETED TRANSACTION.

Buyer is a label for that party in need of goods and services.

Seller is the label for the party that has surplus goods and services.

There is no relationship until an exchange of money, barter or services is made.

Completed transactions are all that count.

An incomplete transaction may mean the price is too high or the current market does not need that good/service.

I posit that a transaction that occurs within minutes of its time stamp posting in the PX is also evidence of market value.

Post an ounce of gold at $265 and I bet keyboards break all over as people pound "Ill take it".

Evidence you have posted your sale at below market value.