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LolDebating using my Hornady 190 A-Tips for fire forming my 7 MAX brass and keeping my Berger's for load development.
Sorry if I missed something. Never had any issues with Hornady 147 Gr ELDM's on my 26" 1:8 tw Krieger MTU.Did you not read the thread?
Well that's certainly very discouraging. I guess on electronic paper the BC's are incredible, but if there is no bullet after 100 yds that BC is then NaN - so actually on physical paper, nothing.My personal experience echoes those of others on this thread - all Hornady ELDM weights disintegrate. I have had it happen in four different rifles, four cartridges.
6.5 PRC - 147 ELDM @ 2950 (1:8 twist)
7LRM - 180 ELDM @ 2990 (1:8 twist)
7-300 WM - 180 ELDM @ 3150 (1:8 twist)
300 PRC - 225 ELDM @ 2890 (1:9.5 twist)
Still use them for target shooting, but switched all hunting loads back to Berger’s
I ran them up to 3170 FPS w a lot from 18 no issues, the lot from 19 didn't handle 3000 FPS.Everybody blowing them up is shooting them sub 3000 fps...maybe ya'll need to stop bringing it weak and just push them harder.
I will say though, on the 'dented'eld-m bullets. When I was reloading, I bought a 500 case of 225 ELDm...at least 70% of them looked like compete garbage. Big dents, like you took a penny and jammed the edge of it into the bullet. I sent pics to hornady and of course, their crack customer service team said "that's normal", but if I pay for shipping they'll send me a new batch. I did, and the new batch was the same. Dont have the same issues on the factory hornady ammo...they must save the better bullets for their own boxed ammo.
Not defending hornady, if prime mat 6.5 PRC, I'd shoot it in a heartbeat, but for what it is, it groups in the .3s in my rifle, and doesn't disintegrate, I'm fine with it.
YeaI ran them up to 3170 FPS w a lot from 18 no issues, the lot from 19 didn't handle 3000 FPS.
There was a recent discussion about 4, 6 grove and 5r.I have wondered if land/groove depth and count had something to do with why some rifles seem to have more issues with the eldm than others.
Regardless, Hornady’s response or rather lack of response, will make me very reluctant to buy any of their products in the future.
Great news for Berger, Sierra, Nosler and Lapua
Berger fixed my brux 4 grove.My barrel was 5r. Berger, Sierra and Warner bullets fixed my defective 5r barrel.
Ended up getting lucky and borrowed 2 separate rifles. Most of the match I shot an Axial Precision chambered in 25SST in a manners EH1A and a steiner m7xi MSR2 with a prototype Elite Iron suppressor. When ammo was getting low, I swapped and shot a 6.5cm
Just picked up my first 4 grove 30 cal from Hawk Hill. Usually run Bartlein 5r and Proof CF but the deal was to good to pass up.Berger fixed my brux 4 grove.
I’ve taking my 153s 6.5 cm with Rl26 up to 3050 FPS (way over pressure but wanted to test the limits) in my 1:75 twist barrel and didn’t have any issues. But I only shot 5 at that speed.I personally never had an issue running through 147's at 2600-2700 fps out of my 8 twist. But when I switched to R26 for my powder, it bumped the velocities up to 2825 and saw a couple separations. Switched to the 142 SMK and love them.
I’d be curious to see the nose and then compare it to the 140s.
This would make sense.I’d be curious to see the nose and then compare it to the 140s.
I’ve read that they use the same jacket as in the 140 but just stretched it thinner to accommodate for the additional volume of lead inside the 147. And that extra stretch is just too much.
Really? Loaded how long? 153s in a CM at 3050 FPS? I’d love to see that, at a safe distance.I’ve taking my 153s 6.5 cm with Rl26 up to 3050 FPS (way over pressure but wanted to test the limits) in my 1:75 twist barrel and didn’t have any issues. But I only shot 5 at that speed.
Yeah I wouldn’t recommend trying it, 26inch barrel loaded 2.925. The lapua brass could handle it, the norma brass had heavy bolt lift at 2950 FPS.Really? Loaded how long? 153s in a CM at 3050 FPS? I’d love to see that, at a safe distance.
@heyjoe I haven't had any issues with 140s in a couple different 6.5 creedmoors. It seems like the 147s are the bigger if not the only 6.5mm issue from looking around.Do the 140’s have this issue? What’s a better alternative? Berger? Lapua?
I haven’t heard of many with the 140 but at this point hornady isn’t even acknowledging there is a problem with any of their other bullets so why continue to give them money for any of their products. They blame it on the reloader/barrel/coreolis/moon phase/what they had for dinner. It’s absolutely ridiculous.Do the 140’s have this issue? What’s a better alternative? Berger? Lapua?
I haven’t seen any issues with the 130 and 140.Do the 140’s have this issue? What’s a better alternative? Berger? Lapua?
Maybe you get lucky.Well this makes me regret buying 300 of the 147grs. First time buyer of 6.5, I had no idea this was a issue.
The 190 a tip likes to Houdini as well.I had 153 A-Tip blow up and when I mentioned it in a thread here it seemed like I diss'd someone's grandma. Oddly, 150 SMK, which has a reputation for coming apart, has been ok.
Searched for 147 ELDM jacket separation or bullets blowing up/coming apart down range on here and one dead thread with 7 posts about the 147 and another on the 180 ELDMs.
Over the past 2 weeks i've talked to at least 15 people who have experienced both factory Hornady 6.5PRC and reloads using 147gr ELDM bullets coming apart between 40 and 150 yards down range.
June 13/14th and 20/21st I had back to back matches. The NF ELR outside of casper and SnipersHide Cup in eastern Washington. I planned on shooting factory 300PRC 225ELDM for the ELR and factory 6.5PRC for the hide cup. Normally I would reload but I bought a house just before the covid bullshit and i've been putting in new flooring. I haven't even unpacked my reloading equipment. I had time to prep and test the 300PRC which was showing good results, I didn't bother testing the 6.5PRC because I was going to shoot the same lot and barrel that I shot at the NF ELR last year and had zero issue.
At the NF match, the factory 300 worked pretty well, yet one of the guys in my squad (Steve) was going to shoot factory Hornady 6.5prc. During zero, he got 5 round on target which grouped around 1-1.5 inches. Pretty horrible really considering last year that same rifle with the same lot of ammo was shooting 1/2 inch. He asked me to zero his rifle to double check he wasn't just screwing something up majorly. I got behind the rifle, double checked turrets were zeroed, picked a fresh shoot-n-see and broke a shot. Nothing. I had @NoLegs24 get behind me and watch over top to look for anything out of the ordinary. Second shot I took, I watched a banana appear about 6 inches away from point of impact and I hear laughing behind me as he said there was a white puff around 40 yards down range.
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I passed the target around to a few people at the match and multiple people spoke up saying they have either experienced the same thing themselves with the 147gr ELDM or they know of some who has had the same issue.
Luckily we drove to Wyoming and most of us brought 2 guns. Steve was able to use a 6x47 which he got some hits at 1400 with.
After the match, we drove home and because the SH cup requires short action calibers, I swapped to my 6.5PRC barrel (Bartlein 5r - 1:8) and had a bunch of factory hornady. It worked great last year so I figured it would be fine this year as well. Fast forward to thursday and we flew out to Spokane. Pulled my rifle out to check zero since I didn't even have a chance to shoot between getting home from Wyoming and flying to Spokane.
Fuck me, wouldn't group for shit and bullets were blowing up just past the 100 yard line.
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Here is a link to the video of it blowing up. set playback speed to .25 and quality as high as can go and you will see them pop then impact the dirt
Cleaned the shit out of the barrel to see if maybe there was a carbon ring increasing pressure as velocity was at 3060. Removed all carbon and no luck. still popping them.
This was damn frustrating because of all the time and money spent to get to this match just to have the rifle go down due to factory ammo , which worked fine last year.
@NoLegs24 was shooting a 6.5PRC also, our barrels were ordered together and probably came off the line one after another from bartlein, they were both chambered one after another by Matt at Sawtooth rifles. He hand loaded 140 Nosler RDFs at 2950 and had no issues. The issue here comes down to the 147 ELDM. Factory ammo should not come apart like this.
According to the RPM formula (12/8 = 1.5*3060 = 4590*60 = 275,400RPM) these 147s should not have been coming apart. Anything over 290,000 rpm is the danger zone for bullets coming apart.
Ended up getting lucky and borrowed 2 separate rifles. Most of the match I shot an Axial Precision chambered in 25SST in a manners EH1A and a steiner m7xi MSR2 with a prototype Elite Iron suppressor. When ammo was getting low, I swapped and shot a 6.5cm
anyone else see the 147ELDMs come apart on them?
Stopped useing Hornady for that very reason. emailed them 5 times over 2 months, never got a reply!
Actually, I'm glad! Switched over to Berger, problem solved! Better groups as well. Tossed everything Hornady in the trash!
YeahI hear you, the lack of an official response from Hornady is frustrating. I really want to support an innovative US family owned business, but it seems clear that they do not care enough to address such a basic issue.
I hear you, the lack of an official response from Hornady is frustrating. I really want to support an innovative US family owned business, but it seems clear that they do not care enough to address such a basic issue.