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Wife and I have been shopping for a 3 row mid size SUV. Thought we kinda settled into the Toyota Grand Highlander hybrid based on all reviews, MPG, etc... Finally found a used one at a Toyota dealership to go test drive. Drives fine, size fine, features, looks, etc... Sales guy already knew we werent buying that one so no pressure. We start discussing "how do I get on the list for a new one" and that isnt to bad 90-120 day wait, 1k down, etc...
Here's were things go off the rails. The car is built with only 2 factory options(360 camera and pano roof). Those are fine. Then the "port" adds a ton of shit that I dont want to the tune of, from what we could tell, generally 3-4k more. Then the dealer(and most Toyota and other dealers are this way today) have a mandatory $1299 package of shit they add on also. And all of that(port and dealer add) are mandatory and the port options are "random" and when your car shows up(the color and trim you want) its take it or leave it and wait for another one, meanwhile they have your money. I dont like that process and simply dont understand why I cant order what I want. I actually wanted a few of the things where as others(roof rails, tow hitch, premium carpet mats, etc...) I have no desire to have because I will never use them or replace them immediately. So what we figured out when we got home was you could get a car to show up that was anywhere from 58k(+ dealer add) to 62k(+ dealer add) and anywhere in between. Then add on to that no good financing rates so I am guessing ~7% according to bank rate. Then they probably fuck you on your trade because they have you by the balls on the new car in the "take it or leave it" situation.
TLDR: I'm going to look at a 24 Yukon SLT 5.3 thats pretty loaded up minus sunroof for 64k this morning... At "about" the same price as we figure a Grand Highlander will be at the end of the day we get a full size SUV with body on frame, pretty bullet proof 5.3, 10L80 is proving out to be pretty good, etc... MPG sucks at ~17 vs. ~31 for the Grand Highlander hybrid, but best guess is its about $75-85 a month which isnt the end of the world.