How hard is it really to be accurate at 300-400 yards with an ar 15

I was the VBR&P club coach back in the 90's and started the gun club's NRA membership drive program. That is where I met a lot of good shooters.

Glad to see VA do so very well!

Thanks for the update...
 
OP, to answer your question. Not hard at all. You don't have to be special
or a high master to shoot an AR with irons out to 500 yards accurately.
Marines do this everyday. Some are administrative desk clerks.

Last time I took my SDMR out with M193, I shot a 7-1/2 inch group, 5 rounds
with iron sights at 500 yds. I'm not special either.

Most people don't know they can achieve this feat with good basic marksmanship
instruction because either they've never been in the service and/or they don't
have a 500 yard range to prove it to themselves.

Start with an AR rifle preferably that can outshoot you. If your AR rifle best is 4 MOA groups
with military ball (e.g. M855) with a trained shooter, no matter how good the
shooter- they cannot overcome the inherent limitations of the rifle. You wont
make that 4 MOA rifle shoot 2 MOA groups. If you are not getting good results,
let someone else shoot it. If they don't get good results get the rifle checked.

Yes despite the opinions of some on the thread, it's not always the shooter. I've had
AR's with loose barrel nut cause accuracy problems. I've also
had AK's that would shoot 4 MOA groups, and others with same ammo
same shooter same day could not do better than 8 MOA. Headspace, throat or barrel
wear, etc.. etc affect accuracy and can be different even on same type of guns.

If you don't build AK's or AR's you may have no clue all the things that can
mechanically and adversely affect accuracy, independent of the shooter.

So get a good rifle, good training, and establish what you rifle is capable of
under ideal conditions with a competent shooter (e.g., say 2.5 MOA with M193). After
practice with it. If you shoot 3 or 4 MOA groups with it, then don't blame anyone but yourself.
Your target also will tell you what you are doing right or wrong. Let it teach you.

OP to sum up I think using a rack grade M16/AR15 10" groups at 300 with irons
using M193 or M855 no wind and irons is very doable, provided shooters eyes are good, they
have good technique, and nothing wrong with rifle (e.g., barrel shot out, etc..)

Training is key, mostly to come to an understanding for the importance of consistent sight alignment and SMOOTH trigger control. Of course, for good hits at 5 or 6 hundred yards some knowledge of how to counter for wind will also be important.
 
I shot this yesterday at 1000 yards with my suppressed Mk12 Mod1 using mag length 77 lapua scenars, 23.6 varget and Fed AR match primers in Lapua Brass. I guessed the dope and was on target first round, but low. Corrected and left it be for the remaining rounds. My buddy was spotting me and for rounds 2,3,4 the spotter didn't seem to be moving. I think I got excited and pulled round 5 a little low then relaxed and fired the next two. I actually thought he was just messing with me as the impacts seemed to be in the same place. Wind L-R 5mph or so. Don't know why I didn't take pic with measuring, but it was just under 9.5".

Compass Lake match chamber 18" Krieger barrel

Alan
 

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National Trophy Rifle Matches Results, Camp Perry, Ohio -- 2014:

https://ct.thecmp.org/app/v1/index.php?do=match&task=edit&tab=results&match=11024[/QUOTE

Thanks!

Could anyone explain to me how the scoring is done in these matches? In 3 position it was X out of 300, but not sure what to make of these.

Thanks in advance,

OP, I'm thinking that looking at these scores, good shots with a variety of rifles, shows just what the remainder of us regular people can work toward.
 
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