I know why we are losing rights

[akmike47]

Shit like that dumbass twitter thread.

Someone gets but hurt, everyone's chest beating, the whole things a cluster fuck.

It's all ego driven bullshit. Y'all would hang out at the range more than likely.

How about your work together whether you agree on every detail or not instead of doing the infighting bullshit that accomplishes nothing.

The nameless faceless online BS is what drives a lot of it I think.

I had a nice well thought out version of this to post there, but when I hit post the thread was trashed.

 

[candyx]

Twitter is a very nice subversion tool thats free around the world, how easy it is to post a cryptic message to all your cells at once.

 

[Lowlight]

Nah they have no interest

 

[Mwalex]

Do not be surprised if those “chest thumpers” are not all gun people. I would bet many are plants to make gun owners look like gun nuts.

 

[5RWill]

Link? What are we talking about here?

 

[wade2big]

I don’t know what you are talking about specifically @akmike47, but the reason we are losing “rights” as you call it, is because we are coward pussies and watch it happen while knowing perfectly well what the end game is. It’s sad and pathetic. Every one of us is to blame. If we were like the Belgium man that said “fuck these people”, our children would enjoy real freedom.

 

[Aries256]

I don’t know what you are talking about specifically @akmike47, but the reason we are losing “rights” as you call it, is because we are coward pussies and watch it happen while knowing perfectly well what the end game is. It’s sad and pathetic. Every one of us is to blame. If we were like the Belgium man that said “fuck these people”, our children would enjoy real freedom.

Exactly this

 

[Lowlight]

He is talking about the Twitter group that is attacking me for being a Fake, for teaching Feds and generally not being them

Their posts are gone, they did most of their posting in the middle of the night

They have this very specific view of gun rights, meaning, zero compromise,

So while they have a point that the 2nd Amendment should be absolute, that ship sailed long before we were born, but they are still clinging to the originalist doctrine despite the rules that are in place today.

In their mind, all gun laws are illegal so anything that placates those laws is bad, even if it means they have to deny themselves stuff like Suppressors.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

We're not losing, they're getting stolen. That's the problem. People are actively dismantling the BOR with an obvious goal. It's a crooked game and you're gonna have to get dirty and do dirty shit.

Most of us have a conscious and doing dirty shit doesn't feel right. In fact, it goes against everything we stand for. So, we've been sending dirty people to do our dirty work and, as one would predict, they're only concerned for their own wants and needs because, wait for it, they're dirty people.

When WE'RE ready to do some dirty work, then maybe WE can get something done.

 

[Downtown]

That Bear Pit thread was twelve pages of "you're a fag, no you're a fag" and " I fucked your wife". If I was a member of the anti gun ownership community, I would be thrilled and sending it to all my friends. I understand and agree on why it began, but it turned into an embarrassment to both the members here and the Twitter crowd.

 

[Lowlight]

The issue is, that is all they have been doing for days,

If you look at what Clint said, it was literally one minute



Just at the 10 minute mark, they went on a rant after rant over that single minute

Seriously that is what started it all because I said Clint was a National Treasure, then for defending Clint they dogpiled on me so I fed the trolls ...

The have a zero-compromise attitude that is completely unrealistic in 2021

 

[wade2big]

The issue is, that is all they have been doing for days,

If you look at what Clint said, it was literally one minute



Just at the 10 minute mark, they went on a rant after rant over that single minute

Seriously that is what started it all because I said Clint was a National Treasure, then for defending Clint they dogpiled on me so I fed the trolls ...

The have a zero-compromise attitude that is completely unrealistic in 2021

The zero compromise attitude is what I want and what is needed to fight back against the evils of govt on all issues. The difference with these guys you are speaking of is that they have zero compromise on the internet and are submissive bitches in the real world. It doesn’t work like that.

 

[Dolomite_Supafly]

We are allowing ourselves to be divided.

We should all be GUN OWNERS first instead of a bolt gun owner, AR owner or AK owner. But even within those groups gun owners make fun of those just getting into the sport by calling them poors or making fun of the gun they have because it didn’t cost a bazillion dollars.

We NEED to get more people involved in the sport and the quickest way to drive away someone who is new is to shame them instead of helping them.

We ARE going to loose our guns and it is our own damn fault for not coming to the defense of our fellow gun owners in their time of need. Instead we sit on our hands and do nothing until it affects what is sitting in our own safes then we get upset. Upset that no one comes to our aid despite the fact we never helped anyone else.

We should be calling and emailing, not just in our own places but in others as well. If you are, like me, are in a relatively safe state I spend my time focusing on places that are not as safe instead of waiting until they are at my doorstep.

Defeating the bump stock ban was important because it gave the fed another avenue to use to ban other things without a vote but more importantly it was done without accountability. I personally thought bump stocks were silly but I spent a fair amount of time fighting the ban only to get mocked, again by my fellow gun owners.

We are our own worst enemy.

 

[Lowlight]

The zero compromise attitude is what I want and what is needed to fight back against the evils of govt on all issues. The difference with these guys you are speaking of is that they have zero compromise on the internet and are submissive bitches in the real world. It doesn’t work like that.

Please you are just bullshitting yourself with that attitude,

We have nothing but Compromise in this world today, you cannot operate without it .. you can talk tough all you want, but we know the truth. That position only works if you live in a shack, out in the woods with no services ... the moment you connect your life to the real world and try to operate outside the lines they will tag you.

It's not a case of If, just When...

Sure you can slip a homemade Widget under your bed, but are you really giving the finger to the man ? You know the second you hit the public spaces with it the countdown clock is ticking

 

[MCSO1357]

Twitter is an echo chamber for leftist ideals. Last I had heard, there are only approx. 20% of total Twitter accounts based in the US and only a fraction of those are actually active. They, as Frank said in one of those threads, are able to drown out opposition ideas while advancing their own by sheer volume created by only a handful of actual users through endless posts. They are not as formidable as you are made to believe.

 

[5RWill]

On the twitter thread it's literally this guy replying to himself, like over and over and over again lol

 

[Jefe's Dope]

The issue is, that is all they have been doing for days,

If you look at what Clint said, it was literally one minute



Just at the 10 minute mark, they went on a rant after rant over that single minute

Seriously that is what started it all because I said Clint was a National Treasure, then for defending Clint they dogpiled on me so I fed the trolls ...

The have a zero-compromise attitude that is completely unrealistic in 2021

Good interview and he's right.

 

[zeroz]

Wade, why are you still typing this shit over and over. Get out there and do some work, or let it be.

 

[Threadcutter308]

The issue is, that is all they have been doing for days,

If you look at what Clint said, it was literally one minute



Just at the 10 minute mark, they went on a rant after rant over that single minute

Seriously that is what started it all because I said Clint was a National Treasure, then for defending Clint they dogpiled on me so I fed the trolls ...

The have a zero-compromise attitude that is completely unrealistic in 2021

jeebuz, I just watched this for the first time.

It's so simple. If you don't like what the man says, just move on........

 

[madppcs]

Ok I know im missing the vast majority of this thread, twitter shit, and Im not watching the video. (Mainly cause im at work) but the point made about now we must compromise pisses me off. I dont know in what context that comment was made in, but telling me I must compromise cause (Thats how it is these days) is totally false. If thats the way you as an individual want to go through life, then thats your absolute right. But I dont feel that I should accept corruption and motives of propaganda machines to make myself believe that Im foolish in believing that not compromising is fooling myself.

Maybe I totally read this thread in the wrong context and if Im babbling on about something that I perceived incorrectly then my apologies.

But I dont apologize for not accepting the corruption and motives made by others regardless of how long ago as a way of life now.

 

[candyx]

The issue is, that is all they have been doing for days,

If you look at what Clint said, it was literally one minute



Just at the 10 minute mark, they went on a rant after rant over that single minute

Seriously that is what started it all because I said Clint was a National Treasure, then for defending Clint they dogpiled on me so I fed the trolls ...

The have a zero-compromise attitude that is completely unrealistic in 2021

I like old school terms " Dick Wad" classic trumps all others .

 

[Howland]

If you look at what Clint said, it was literally one minute



Just at the 10 minute mark, they went on a rant after rant over that single minute

I started at the ten minute mark. Absolutely nothing he said about PCC vs. SBR in respect to NFA was pro or con with respect to 2A. All he did is prognosticate about where we would find ourselves in the future. And here we are. I guess he ain't so stupid after all. Prophetic.

I did watch through his opinion on the P226 specifically but really broadly about carrying and training (or lack thereof) with any DA/SA pistol. Having carried the P226 as my EDC for over 20 years, he is 100% correct. Of course that was all before my conversion to God's caliber.

 

[Lowlight]

Had I never read them calling him a Twat Waffle because of that Minute, I probably would have walked away.

 

[myronman3]

i think it took the 10th page for one of them to put together any kind of point that had any validity, but their delivery method isnt going to win over anyone.

i wish them the very best of luck doing what they say their doing, and then posting about it online. perhaps it’ll turn out like weed did....in time, people will just quite caring. or not. but either way the cookie crumbles, i bet you more than a few of those guys will spend some time taking a government sponsered vacation.

none of them can say they weren’t told.

 

[wade2big]

i think it took the 10th page for one of them to put together any kind of point that had any validity, but their delivery method isnt going to win over anyone.

i wish them the very best of luck doing what they say their doing, and then posting about it online. perhaps it’ll turn out like weed did....in time, people will just quite caring. or not. but either way the cookie crumbles, i bet you more than a few of those guys will spend some time taking a government sponsered vacation.

none of them can say they weren’t told.

I don’t know what is being said. Sounds like people are getting pissed at the govt and all its parts and are getting to the point of resisting which I fully support, but posting illegal stuff online right now is foolish.

 

[Lowlight]

Once they called the Internet police on the site it was over,

I had no issue entertaining their hate, they can clearly give it, but can't take any return fire, they immediately ran to the Authorities to try to get them to turn me off the Internet, weak-ass move.

I stood there face to face and let them run me down, they had no problem dishing it out, even when 1/2 had no clue what they were repeating, but taking out-of-context screenshots to report us was a bridge too far for me.

Engagement ends right there. They are welcome to call me any dirty name they like, but running to the very authority they claim to be against, hypocrites all of them.

 

[tarheel7734]

Once they called the Internet police on the site it was over,

I had no issue entertaining their hate, they can clearly give it, but can't take any return fire, they immediately ran to the Authorities to try to get them to turn me off the Internet, weak-ass move.

I stood there face to face and let them run me down, they had no problem dishing it out, even when 1/2 had no clue what they were repeating, but taking out-of-context screenshots to report us was a bridge too far for me.

Engagement ends right there. They are welcome to call me any dirty name they like, but running to the very authority they claim to be against, hypocrites all of them.

Its like when the left say fuck the police, defund them, till they need them.

 

[Choid]

Yes, gun owners should stick together. No, nobody should go to the internet police, whatever that is. But also yes, people should call each other out for some of the reprehensible shit that gets said. If we don't police our own, somebody else will. I'm not saying people shouldn't be able to say exactly what they want, they should, but it is not exactly hard to comb the bear pit to find things that are going to be a problem in the wrong hands. If you end up with tattle tales, that shit is going to float to the top.

 

[Ric O'shay]

They alerted authorities?
You mean the twatter idiot boasting about his 3d printed guns?
I though the Hide crew here was rather tolerant of their intrusion here.

 

[Lowlight]

Total Tattle Tale Action and completely a Left-Leaning Play call...

Lie, Spin, Rinse and Repeat... all they got.

Sad, if you read what they are doing on Twitter they are 10x over the line compared to what they reported. They have no issue slandering me with no evidence but their "gut" yet they ran right to the authorities in order to shut the place off because nothing they said gained any traction.

 

[tarheel7734]

Total Tattle Tale Action and completely a Left-Leaning Play call...

Lie, Spin, Rinse and Repeat... all they got.

Sad, if you read what they are doing on Twitter they are 10x over the line compared to what they reported. They have no issue slandering me with no evidence but their "gut" yet they ran right to the authorities in order to shut the place off because nothing they said gained any traction.

I truly believe if they had not come here to stir the pot and cause trouble, we could have had a great discussion on how we feel about the NFA and current gun laws and how to change them. Its a real shame that was not the case.

 

[357Max]

We have nothing but Compromise in this world today, you cannot operate without it .. you can talk tough all you want, but we know the truth. That position only works if you live in a shack, out in the woods with no services ... the moment you connect your life to the real world and try to operate outside the lines they will tag you.

It's not a case of If, just When...

Sure you can slip a homemade Widget under your bed, but are you really giving the finger to the man ? You know the second you hit the public spaces with it the countdown clock is ticking

The above cannot be emphasized enough!

I'm glad you didn't walk away. Those fucking idiots needed a gut check!
By inviting them here you pulled back the curtain on something I didn't know existed. My take away is that the juice wasn't worth the squeeze. They're essentially 2A antifa.
They call you a cuck & then run to the internet police? That's a bitch move, fuck them!

Those idiots have an extremely myopic perspective.
Broadcasting Anti .gov & blatant defiance of laws in this day is nothing but stupid.
They take for granted there 1A freedom to yell truth to power on the 2A, meanwhile 1A has become an illusion. We are living in a 1A matrix where anything electronic is accessible by .gov

Those twidiot's, some who appear to be deployed may have a genuine patriotic leanings, but they're fucking dumb as a rock! They'll be the first purged making them useless in the fight they espouse to be part of. They will not be promoted & will likely be denied clearance for their stupidity on twitter & they deserve it for being so fucking dumb.

We still have mostly free speech, but the days of anonymous free speech are long gone. The data is all there stored at the ready, yet innocuous until someone is stupid enough to paint a target on themselves!

Think about the character limit on twitter for a minute. Kind of forces people to be blunt & also happens to be ideal for algorithms to very precisely pinpoint targets. Twitter is literally the worst possible platform for discussing anything edgy.

 

[WVshooter]

I don't know man, take a look at all the ground the LGBT activists have gained in the last 15 years as an example. They've gotten nearly everything they've lobbied for because they put it in everyones faces and don't compromise. They just insist on getting their way and hammer away at it until they get it. If we on the pro gun side can't learn something from their advocacy efforts it's our own stubbornness or stupidity.

The NRA should have been called the Legislative Compromise Association. We lost big in 1994 and it lasted for a decade. We've managed a couple good Supreme Court wins but those cases haven't really changed the landscape. 2004 was a turning point in the industry when the AWB expired and the proliferation of silencers in the hobby has been great but we haven't made one iota of progress in getting silencers off the NFA and classified as an accessory like they should be. It seems like we're always on the compromise side and always negotiating our rights away or barely holding on to what we have by the slimmest margins. We held on after Sandy Hook by a slim margin. Constitutional carry has made advances in a few places on a state level but there's CCW trainers speaking out against it because they think it'll hurt their pockets if people aren't forced to come to them for training.

Trump banned bump stocks and half the gun community acted like we deserved it for trying to get around the NFA. Now they're gonna move against pistol braces and there's a shit load of us that act like we shouldn't have had them in the first place because they are working around the SBR rules and they're "floppy pieces of shit" and real stocks are better etc.

There's a history of home built guns in this country dating back before the Revolution and now we've got pro 2A people talking shit about that and ready to lose that right because 3D printed guns are supposedly crap or something like that.

I don't know if everyone here has read through that new ATF letter but if they do what they're talking about and redefine what a receiver is and end up with upper receivers, barrels, BCG's etc all having to be transferred through a dealer they'll eviscerate the aftermarket parts and online sales industry and effectively kill the hobby of home building and modifying our guns.

You may not share my view but our complacency and the "don't rock the boat" attitude has gotten us nowhere and every time we compromise we give up a little more ground. We gained something over 4,000,000 new gun owners in 2020. A lot of them are liberals but every one of them wanted to exercise their 2A rights. If we can't adopt a no compromise mindset and get those people on board with us in a forward push then the only future we have to look forward to as far as gun rights goes is a steady chipping away until they are essentially gone.

Please you are just bullshitting yourself with that attitude,

We have nothing but Compromise in this world today, you cannot operate without it .. you can talk tough all you want, but we know the truth. That position only works if you live in a shack, out in the woods with no services ... the moment you connect your life to the real world and try to operate outside the lines they will tag you.

It's not a case of If, just When...

Sure you can slip a homemade Widget under your bed, but are you really giving the finger to the man ? You know the second you hit the public spaces with it the countdown clock is ticking

 

[Lowlight]

They make alliances in government, they buy politicians, they spent a lot of time and a lot of money to reach that point

The NRA certainly dropped the ball, and the political climate is currently hostile to a lot of what we are talking about, so you won't win standing in front of them giving them the finger. that was part of Clint's point, it's a pendulum that swings both ways, you have to recognize where the pendulum is at any given moment and act accordingly. Even when he qualified it with caliber, saying rifle cartridges vs pistol. It's a cycle that spins, knowing where you stand in the spin cycle matters if you ask me.

Blind defiance is really not the answer to solve a problem today, which is all we are saying.

Nobody is saying roll over, but at the same time, saying zero compromises can sometimes be a worse plan. The zero compromise part is why there is drama, it's all or nothing to some people.

the magazine stuff is gonna end because it ran through the courts, not because we used logic. Plenty of places compromised, and then let the court system work, sure it's slow, expensive, but that is the system today.

 

[tarheel7734]

I don't know man, take a look at all the ground the LGBT activists have gained in the last 15 years as an example. They've gotten nearly everything they've lobbied for because they put it in everyones faces and don't compromise. They just insist on getting their way and hammer away at it until they get it. If we on the pro gun side can't learn something from their advocacy efforts it's our own stubbornness or stupidity.

The NRA should have been called the Legislative Compromise Association. We lost big in 1994 and it lasted for a decade. We've managed a couple good Supreme Court wins but those cases haven't really changed the landscape. 2004 was a turning point in the industry when the AWB expired and the proliferation of silencers in the hobby has been great but we haven't made one iota of progress in getting silencers off the NFA and classified as an accessory like they should be. It seems like we're always on the compromise side and always negotiating our rights away or barely holding on to what we have by the slimmest margins. We held on after Sandy Hook by a slim margin. Constitutional carry has made advances in a few places on a state level but there's CCW trainers speaking out against it because they think it'll hurt their pockets if people aren't forced to come to them for training.

Trump banned bump stocks and half the gun community acted like we deserved it for trying to get around the NFA. Now they're gonna move against pistol braces and there's a shit load of us that act like we shouldn't have had them in the first place because they are working around the SBR rules and they're "floppy pieces of shit" and real stocks are better etc.

There's a history of home built guns in this country dating back before the Revolution and now we've got pro 2A people talking shit about that and ready to lose that right because 3D printed guns are supposedly crap or something like that.

I don't know if everyone here has read through that new ATF letter but if they do what they're talking about and redefine what a receiver is and end up with upper receivers, barrels, BCG's etc all having to be transferred through a dealer they'll eviscerate the aftermarket parts and online sales industry and effectively kill the hobby of home building and modifying our guns.

You may not share my view but our complacency and the "don't rock the boat" attitude has gotten us nowhere and every time we compromise we give up a little more ground. We gained something over 4,000,000 new gun owners in 2020. A lot of them are liberals but every one of them wanted to exercise their 2A rights. If we can't adopt a no compromise mindset and get those people on board with us in a forward push then the only future we have to look forward to as far as gun rights goes is a steady chipping away until they are essentially gone.

I want to give my opinion on pistol braces, 3d printed guns and so on.

First and foremost I am against the NFA and gun restrictions. We should be able to purchase whatever we want without background checks, taxes, or should be able to make whatever we want.

The pistol brace was invented to help people that were disabled. Someone that needed an ar style rifle that had trouble holding it with one hand. As soon as people started using it to get around the NFA and create " short barreled rifles" " redisign" the pistol brace purpose and the pistol it started being a target. Then they go around posting videos and talking about how its legal to do so. Of course they are going to come after them after this. I would say 90% of the people using pistol braces have never used it as intended purpose. As soon as people shout and show constantly what they are doing to get around the sbr law what else can you expect?

Now for 80% and 3d printed guns. As soon as they were used in crimes they became a target. It only takes one idiot to ruin everything for everyone else. I hate polymer lowers on an ar-15 and seen lots of failures with them. Now with 3d printing garbage lowers, I think it is much worse for safety, however I do not feel it should be regulated just as i don't feel any firearm should be regulated., but not surprised that they are coming after them.

As i said it only takes one person to ruin everything. Look at what happened at the DC protest. If people had not broken into the capitol armed, then it would have been a great protest. That incident just supplied the left with more ammunition to go after our rights. We need to change the laws and there are ways to do that. Acting like a complete idiot is not one of them and will only cause detriment to our cause.

 

[Baron23]

Once they called the Internet police on the site it was over,

I had no issue entertaining their hate, they can clearly give it, but can't take any return fire, they immediately ran to the Authorities to try to get them to turn me off the Internet, weak-ass move.

I stood there face to face and let them run me down, they had no problem dishing it out, even when 1/2 had no clue what they were repeating, but taking out-of-context screenshots to report us was a bridge too far for me.

Engagement ends right there. They are welcome to call me any dirty name they like, but running to the very authority they claim to be against, hypocrites all of them.

Wow, Frank....I was bored and did read the threads with these jackasses and I have to say that I saw PLENTY of gay bashing comments from these jerk offs along with plenty of profanity.

I got it....you don't want to say what "authorities" these babies ran to, but I'm surprised that there is even such an authority in existence. Its a fact that we don't have to like people or even groups of people. We are in fact allowed under the 1st A to be racist, religionist, sexists, or any other "ist" you can come up with. It may not be very palatable to many people, and for good reason, but we are allowed to be whatever level of asshole we want.

What we are not allowed by law to do is to discriminate against the people/groups we may dislike or hate in any manner for access or treatment that is otherwise available to the public. For example, mortgage lending. I'm sure that there is a lawyer on the board that can put a finer point on this than me.

But, dislike and even hatred is protected by our freedoms under the Constitution....acting on them to the harm of others is not.

So, I just can't imagine what authority total pussies ran and why such a complaint is valid.

They were indeed a bunch of major league jerk-offs with nothing but elementary school yard insults....kind of got comical there for a while....then it just become repetitious and tedious.

Well, in any case, good riddance

 

[Choid]

Wow, Frank....I was bored and did read the threads with these jackasses and I have to say that I saw PLENTY of gay bashing comments from these jerk offs along with plenty of profanity.

I got it....you don't want to say what "authorities" these babies ran to, but I'm surprised that there is even such an authority in existence. Its a fact that we don't have to like people or even groups of people. We are in fact allowed under the 1st A to be racist, religionist, sexists, or any other "ist" you can come up with. It may not be very palatable to many people, but we are allowed to be whatever level of asshole we want.

What we are not allowed by law to do is to discriminate against the people/groups we may dislike or hate in any manner that is otherwise available to the public. For example, mortgage lending. I'm sure that there is a lawyer on the board that can put a finer point on this than me.

But, dislike and even hatred is protected by our freedoms under the Constitution....acting on them to the harm of others is not.

So, I just can't imagine what authority that fucking basis these total pussies ran and why such a complaint is valid.

They were indeed a bunch of major league jerk-offs with nothing but elementary school yard insults....kind of got comical there for a while....then it just become repetitious and tedious.

Well, in any case, good riddance

Totally agree, though I do wish some of that shit were less palatable to some people....

 

[akmike47]

I don't know if the compromise comments are about me, honestly I have read but about two posts here. I don't think we should settle for the lesser of two evils with gun laws if that's what you mean. They shouldn't exist in the first place.

I'm saying gun people need to stop acting like kids and work together. Can't get shit done with 15 different groups infighting.

All then anti-gun folks love that shit I'm sure.

Act like an adult, find common ground and get some shit done. Don't sit around calling each other fags for hours.

Hell one of the loudest SH guys found common ground with the twitter guy/guys and someone had to show up from here stirring the pot again.


Everyone has a point here. Yeah you have to work within the law, but at the same time it shouldn't exist in the first place. That doesn't mean you go around doing stupid shit like it sounded they may do.

We all like 80% of the same shit, if you want to keep it you have to have numbers. 1/2 the group ain't going to accomplish shit in the end.

And I don't mean just this situation, it just really got me thinking. I see/hear this shit all the time.

 

[DarnYankeeUSMC]

Compromise= a give and take situation. Both sides give a little bit and both get a little bit.
We have not been compromising. We've been getting fucked with nothing in return!!
Stop using that bullshit propaganda term

 

[Bigfatcock]

2A advocates using your free speech as a weapon to try and stifle a thread. The mental gymnastics there blow my mind.

 

[Sniperwannabee]

you guys still use twitter??? thats the reason

 

[Texasflyer]

In retrospect, i wish i woulda kept my opinions and thoughts to myself. Im gonna practice that from now on a little better.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

LL has a very good read on things.

I agree we need to be more aggressive as a culture (the 2A culture) and give 'less' in compromise. But acting like the jackasses we saw last 48 hours isn't going to do it.

Wonder if we shouldn't think about putting togeher a genuine PAC? Why rely on NRA or GOA? Why not start a PAC. We don't have the $$ or muscle, IMHO, to play at the federal level. But what about at the state and local levels?

Just a thought...

LL has a good finger on the pulse. Not just saying that. We have a ton of members here. They can be mobilized as a political force. I think the NRA only has 6 million members. SH has, what, a million? That gives this place (if fully-mobilized) as much power as the NRA had 20 years ago. That's a lot.

The shitshow in the "Tard" thread over the weekend was, IMHO, disgusting. But the SH folks actually were not the ones who came off looking badly. Yup, some trolling and amusing chin-strikes. But these idiots from Portland with their masks and their threats make the whole 2A community look bad. Here, we have a mature (well, I'll exclude myself), erudite, thinking, diverse, accepting, widely-connected community. Why don't we start leveraging this politically? In an organized fashion?

Just some thoughts for a Sunday. What do I know. I've been in the sun all day. Until I get re-hydrated, I think I'm Abe Vigoda. Go fish!

Sirhr

 

[wade2big]

LL has a very good read on things.

I agree we need to be more aggressive as a culture (the 2A culture) and give 'less' in compromise. But acting like the jackasses we saw last 48 hours isn't going to do it.

Wonder if we shouldn't think about putting togeher a genuine PAC? Why rely on NRA or GOA? Why not start a PAC. We don't have the $$ or muscle, IMHO, to play at the federal level. But what about at the state and local levels?

Just a thought...

LL has a good finger on the pulse. Not just saying that. We have a ton of members here. They can be mobilized as a political force. I think the NRA only has 6 million members. SH has, what, a million? That gives this place (if fully-mobilized) as much power as the NRA had 20 years ago. That's a lot.

The shitshow in the "Tard" thread over the weekend was, IMHO, disgusting. But the SH folks actually were not the ones who came off looking badly. Yup, some trolling and amusing chin-strikes. But these idiots from Portland with their masks and their threats make the whole 2A community look bad. Here, we have a mature (well, I'll exclude myself), erudite, thinking, diverse, accepting, widely-connected community. Why don't we start leveraging this politically? In an organized fashion?

Just some thoughts for a Sunday. What do I know. I've been in the sun all day. Until I get re-hydrated, I think I'm Abe Vigoda. Go fish!

Sirhr

I’m not a believer in a political solution any longer for most of the problems we face. This is not a battle of two different ways to better the people and country. It’s a battle for the people and country.

Look how successful the leftist have been recently. They didn’t vote to get what they want. They used fear and intimidation to achieve their desired results. Political leaders and corporations couldn’t wait to virtue signal to get these people’s attention. To think a million people that won’t do anything but sign online petitions would ever be effective is foolish. The only chance for change for the better will happen when people have had enough and they are feared.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

I’m not a believer in a political solution any longer. Look how successful the leftist have been recently. They didn’t vote to get what they want. They used fear and intimidation to achieve their desired results. Political leaders and corporations couldn’t wait to virtue signal to get these people’s attention. To think a million people that won’t do anything but sign online petitions would ever be effective is foolish. The only chance for change for the better will happen when people have had enough and they are feared.

I'm not talking about online petitions. I am talking about campaign contributions. Picking candidates. Getting people elected.

State legislators. City councils. School boards. Prosecutors. Sheriff's. Mayors. Supported and elected by the 2A community.

Here we have a massive block, not just of voters or funders, but of consumers. That means that there is a huge group of folks who can get manufacturers, vendors, retailers, associations, and even 'other' PAC's to fund a massive political movement. Paid for. Which is how things get done.

Yeah... I know. A lot to ask. But it's something we CAN do. Just have to have the will. The $$ are there. Really.

We have only political solutions here. Unless Civil War solutions seem reasonable and that seems to be the stance of the DERP's who were here all weekend. Honestly, those folks are so fringe that they are cringe-worthy.

But, hey... I'm still at least a quart away from clear thinking. Forgot sunscreen. But got 40 acres cut. Hey, Barney Miller... you get my memo?

Sirhr

 

[wade2big]

I'm not talking about online petitions. I am talking about campaign contributions. Picking candidates. Getting people elected.

State legislators. City councils. School boards. Prosecutors. Sheriff's. Mayors. Supported and elected by the 2A community.

Here we have a massive block, not just of voters or funders, but of consumers. That means that there is a huge group of folks who can get manufacturers, vendors, retailers, associations, and even 'other' PAC's to fund a massive political movement. Paid for. Which is how things get done.

Yeah... I know. A lot to ask. But it's something we CAN do. Just have to have the will. The $$ are there. Really.

We have only political solutions here. Unless Civil War solutions seem reasonable and that seems to be the stance of the DERP's who were here all weekend. Honestly, those folks are so fringe that they are cringe-worthy.

But, hey... I'm still at least a quart away from clear thinking. Forgot sunscreen. But got 40 acres cut. Hey, Barney Miller... you get my memo?

Sirhr

I definitely don’t want a civil war or violence for the matter. I just feel like the contrast between what the working class people want and what the political class, the voters they buy, and the people they pay to protect the system and their interests are too far apart to bridge.

 

[Nik H]

Wow, Frank....I was bored and did read the threads with these jackasses and I have to say that I saw PLENTY of gay bashing comments from these jerk offs along with plenty of profanity.

I got it....you don't want to say what "authorities" these babies ran to, but I'm surprised that there is even such an authority in existence. Its a fact that we don't have to like people or even groups of people. We are in fact allowed under the 1st A to be racist, religionist, sexists, or any other "ist" you can come up with. It may not be very palatable to many people, and for good reason, but we are allowed to be whatever level of asshole we want.

What we are not allowed by law to do is to discriminate against the people/groups we may dislike or hate in any manner for access or treatment that is otherwise available to the public. For example, mortgage lending. I'm sure that there is a lawyer on the board that can put a finer point on this than me.

But, dislike and even hatred is protected by our freedoms under the Constitution....acting on them to the harm of others is not.

So, I just can't imagine what authority total pussies ran and why such a complaint is valid.

They were indeed a bunch of major league jerk-offs with nothing but elementary school yard insults....kind of got comical there for a while....then it just become repetitious and tedious.

Well, in any case, good riddance

I was waiting for a lesson in general and special relativity myself....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Yells01]

I don’t know what you are talking about specifically @akmike47, but the reason we are losing “rights” as you call it, is because we are coward pussies and watch it happen while knowing perfectly well what the end game is. It’s sad and pathetic. Every one of us is to blame. If we were like the Belgium man that said “fuck these people”, our children would enjoy real freedom.

This. This right here. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

 

[Baron23]

I was waiting for a lesson in general and special relativity myself....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Not sure I understand but I'm feeling a wee bit dense this evening! haha

 

[gunjunkie45]

He is talking about the Twitter group that is attacking me for being a Fake, for teaching Feds and generally not being them

Their posts are gone, they did most of their posting in the middle of the night

They have this very specific view of gun rights, meaning, zero compromise,

So while they have a point that the 2nd Amendment should be absolute, that ship sailed long before we were born, but they are still clinging to the originalist doctrine despite the rules that are in place today.

In their mind, all gun laws are illegal so anything that placates those laws is bad, even if it means they have to deny themselves stuff like Suppressors.

So they're not wrong, they're just useless assholes?