I Need A New Safe

[Cobracutter]

I guess I'll have to show you again. The "reach" here is the guy saying the above. It sounds like marketing BS when you make this kind of exaggerated statement.

I have a suggestion for something you can eat before that Snickers, but I'll keep it to myself.

Two things champ.

1. I did not endorse this guy, just reposting what he said
2. Is it that hard to belive that a reputable dealer would support the products he sells, especialy when he has a financial interest in making sure you are taken care of (and all warranty work is paid to him from AMSEC, or whatever safe manufacture)?

 

[Gosu]

No need to get defensive. I was just pointing out based on your misswording, that they are two SEPERATE defintions with very different meanings. Calling a contracted entity, a Rep of a company is missleading and can add to the confusion. Just trying to clear that up.

CC, I get what you meant the first time. Simple terms, in year 2000 people could turn down work in example car dealers wouldn't work on something that they sell but didn't sell to you. Today 2013 regardless what the media tries to feed us the economy blows. Car dealers work on anything that they can. Still volume rules and the local dealer is $900 more for the same safe. With him being a smart business person he realizes like almost every other company out there including the car dealers that he rather focus on service or a area that he can make a reasonable margin without the need to stock anything. With that he only stocks cheap price point safes but works on the good stuff all day long.

 

[Gosu]

Two things champ.

1. I did not endorse this guy, just reposting what he said
2. Is it that hard to belive that a reputable dealer would support the products he sells, especialy when he has a financial interest in making sure you are taken care of (and all warranty work is paid to him from AMSEC, or whatever safe manufacture)?

Several companies that I am familiar buy their products within a group meaning that are things that he may sell that doesn't want to yet has to purchase the things he prefers to sell.

 

[SPDSNYPR]

Several companies that I am familiar buy their products within a group meaning that are things that he may sell that doesn't want to yet has to purchase the things he prefers to sell.

Uh . . . . . what? Is this translated from Korean or something?

 

[Gosu]

Several companies that I am familiar buy their products within a group meaning that are things that he may sell that doesn't want to yet has to purchase the things he prefers to sell.

Uh . . . . . what? Is this translated from Korean or something?

Let me try it this way:

Several companies that I am familiar (that I have either worked for or held financial interest in)


buy their products within a group (they purchase the product they sell through a company like Emery Waterhouse which makes them stock products that they don't care to stock but must, otherwise they couldn't buy the ones that they would like to sell at the discounted prices. In example, ever been to a auction where at the end they are selling boxes of tools? In that box it has a couple tools that you would bid on but none of the other tools in the box? So to get rid of the non sellers they lump in some of the ones that they know people want. In this case not everyone wants to pay the money that AMSEC sells for and it is quite possible that this dealer carries them due to the distributor requirements.


meaning that are things that he may sell that doesn't want to yet has to purchase the things he prefers to sell. Point is I am in the Institutional / Architectural Woodworking/ Metal fabrication industry. I install and fabricate things that I feel that there other things that might be better or more suitable for the use that they are looking for all of the time. Doesn't mean that I won't sell it.

 

[GrantB]

This is a good read when you have time, a lot of information from an amsec safe engineer.

Questions for AMSEC TheSafeGuy - Page 22 - AR15.COM

 

[pawprint2]

Checkout the Big Horn safes at Costco. The 7144 is a lot of safe for the money, especially when it goes on sale at Costco.

Good deals on safes this month at Costco, in fact they appear to be about 1/2 of what others are selling for.

 

[James n TN]

This is a must watch if in the market to buy a safe

GUN SAFES "THE TRUTH" weaponseducation - YouTube

 

[Gosu]

This is a good read when you have time, a lot of information from an amsec safe engineer.

Questions for AMSEC TheSafeGuy - Page 22 - AR15.COM

a little long but worthy, I have read the whole thread

Good deals on safes this month at Costco, in fact they appear to be about 1/2 of what others are selling for.

I bought a AMSEC BF

This is a must watch if in the market to buy a safe

GUN SAFES "THE TRUTH" weaponseducation - YouTube

in this thread on reply 57 is the same video.

 

[Outlaw45]

Where does Fort Knoxx rate?

 

[Genius.]

I just picked up my safe this weekend. It is a Johnson Safe. They are made just North of Indianapollis.

About a year ago I started doing research on safes. My goal was to keep the price under $2000, American made and get the best bang for my buck via fire rating, construction ect....

I read somewhere about Jeff and his safes, it took me a little time to find his info but I did find it. I gave him a call to talk about his safes and I was hooked. I ordered in on March 30 and he finished it this past week. It is a 72" X 36" X 24" 10g steel, 3/8" door for $1900. (Granted, I'm not sure of his prices now because he raised his prices on April 1)

He literally makes his safes in his barns behind his house. 100% custom to order, 100% American made. His company is the classic American Sucess story. He started by building himself a safe, friends and family liked his work so he buikt them one. The rest is history. He now has 6 full time employees, he has a. 6 month build time on them. He does no advertising, everything is from word of mouth and by having a booth at his local gun show.

His name is Jeff Johnson
1 (317) 876-7233

 

[CthulhuAwakens]

I have a "Sturdy Safe" RSC that I like but it's nothing compared to a UL rated TL-15 or TL-30 safe.

My advice:
1) Buy a bigger safe than you think you'll need because they fill up fast.
2) If you're looking at RSCs, find the one with the thickest gage steel you can.
3) Anything lighter than a few thousand pounds needs to be bolted down.
4) IMHO unless you're dealing with a real pro there's little difference between TL-30 and TL-15.
5) For a fire safe avoid the cheep drywall filler.
6) Hire movers and someone to bolt the safe down for you. It's not worth being injured or killed to save a few bucks.
7) Get the best safe you can afford. Look for value vs. price.
8) Remember to dehumidify the safe even if you live in a dry climate.
9) If you have a lot of AR/AK rifles or long guns with optics you should be sure the interior is set up to handle this type of weapon.
10) Insurance is better than almost any safe.

Finally, think of security in layers of progressive difficulty. Reenforced doors, alarms, video cameras, exterior lights, etc. all stand between your safe and thieves. Time + attention = their enemy/your friend. More importantly these things stand between the bad guy(s) and your family.

Good luck and please let us know what you decide on.

P.S. For what it's worth, my next safe will be an AMSEC with a TL15 or TL30 rating.

 

[Gosu]

I have a "Sturdy Safe" RSC that I like but it's nothing compared to a UL rated TL-15 or TL-30 safe.

My advice:
1) Buy a bigger safe than you think you'll need because they fill up fast.
2) If you're looking at RSCs, find the one with the thickest gage steel you can.
3) Anything lighter than a few thousand pounds needs to be bolted down.
4) IMHO unless you're dealing with a real pro there's little difference between TL-30 and TL-15.
5) For a fire safe avoid the cheep drywall filler.
6) Hire movers and someone to bolt the safe down for you. It's not worth being injured or killed to save a few bucks.
7) Get the best safe you can afford. Look for value vs. price.
8) Remember to dehumidify the safe even if you live in a dry climate.
9) If you have a lot of AR/AK rifles or long guns with optics you should be sure the interior is set up to handle this type of weapon.
10) Insurance is better than almost any safe.

Finally, think of security in layers of progressive difficulty. Reenforced doors, alarms, video cameras, exterior lights, etc. all stand between your safe and thieves. Time + attention = their enemy/your friend. More importantly these things stand between the bad guy(s) and your family.

Good luck and please let us know what you decide on.

P.S. For what it's worth, my next safe will be an AMSEC with a TL15 or TL30 rating.

I would love to buy a TL15, but I need to pay for the daughters college first. For now a BF series will need to do. I am insured for what it is worth.