This is like you brought your car to a body shop for a paint job and they used a mop to paint it.
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This is like you brought your car to a body shop for a paint job and they used a mop to paint it.
Absolutely correct.Gunsmiths are like artists. Just because you have the title doesn't mean you are very good at what you do.
I don’t think that guy can fix his welded up gas port issue.Not completely ruined. Looks bad, but can be fixed. Any competent machinist can clean that up in the lathe. It might need a bit more heliarc weld in a spot or two. Sometimes it is hard to find the Right Guy to get something done. More often than not it winds up being Me, but it took years of BooBoos to figure that out. Snatch that barrel out and go find that guy. He is probably right around there in your community and would love to help you out.
What exactly did you pay him to do? Looking at the photos, did he do all the work seen in the photos? If so the weld and grinding/shaping doesn't look all that bad. All welding that isn't cleaned up looks similar. If he used gas slag will be on it as well.So there is a local guy who came recommended, has good reviews etc. to do a pin and weld job. Below is the end result on my brand new Noveske Afghan Stainless barrel. Not sure if it's totally ruined yet, going to try and get a bore scope in it a look for sugaring and discoloring inside the barrel.
I put about 30 rounds through it, it's holding accuracy thankfully but the integrity of the Barrel is what has me worried now.
There was some excess rocksett glue that dripped from the barrel threads when I had dropped it off to him. He claims a lot of the dark spots near the muzzle device are just burned rocksett.
The only photos I have of the inside are with my phone, luckily no holes or visible bubbling.
Moral of the story: Send your stuff to Arco or D. Wilson
Holy crap reminds me of a similar situation. I trusted a local guy ONCE. He ruined my grandfathers shotgun. I got my money back after being a total Karen but it didnt salvage my grandfathers shotgun. Sorry this happened to you.So there is a local guy who came recommended, has good reviews etc. to do a pin and weld job. Below is the end result on my brand new Noveske Afghan Stainless barrel. Not sure if it's totally ruined yet, going to try and get a bore scope in it a look for sugaring and discoloring inside the barrel.
I put about 30 rounds through it, it's holding accuracy thankfully but the integrity of the Barrel is what has me worried now.
There was some excess rocksett glue that dripped from the barrel threads when I had dropped it off to him. He claims a lot of the dark spots near the muzzle device are just burned rocksett.
The only photos I have of the inside are with my phone, luckily no holes or visible bubbling.
Moral of the story: Send your stuff to Arco or D. Wilson
didnt think it would be hard to mount a red dot...Holy crap reminds me of a similar situation. I trusted a local guy ONCE. He ruined my grandfathers shotgun. I got my money back after being a total Karen but it didnt salvage my grandfathers shotgun. Sorry this happened to you.
Theres a special place in hell for incompetence like this.
I am absolutely amazed that any gunsmith would let that garbage leave their shop.So there is a local guy who came recommended, has good reviews etc. to do a pin and weld job. Below is the end result on my brand new Noveske Afghan Stainless barrel. Not sure if it's totally ruined yet, going to try and get a bore scope in it a look for sugaring and discoloring inside the barrel.
I put about 30 rounds through it, it's holding accuracy thankfully but the integrity of the Barrel is what has me worried now.
There was some excess rocksett glue that dripped from the barrel threads when I had dropped it off to him. He claims a lot of the dark spots near the muzzle device are just burned rocksett.
The only photos I have of the inside are with my phone, luckily no holes or visible bubbling.
Moral of the story: Send your stuff to Arco or D. Wilson
Here's my guy. Did fantastic.So there is a local guy who came recommended, has good reviews etc. to do a pin and weld job. Below is the end result on my brand new Noveske Afghan Stainless barrel. Not sure if it's totally ruined yet, going to try and get a bore scope in it a look for sugaring and discoloring inside the barrel.
I put about 30 rounds through it, it's holding accuracy thankfully but the integrity of the Barrel is what has me worried now.
There was some excess rocksett glue that dripped from the barrel threads when I had dropped it off to him. He claims a lot of the dark spots near the muzzle device are just burned rocksett.
The only photos I have of the inside are with my phone, luckily no holes or visible bubbling.
Moral of the story: Send your stuff to Arco or D. Wilson
Looks like a mig weld, he must of not known just to fill the hole for about a second. Its just a pin job , your not welding on an axle bracket.Is that even a tig weld or is that a piece of mig wire sticking out? Or a piece of the, way to long, pin?
And why was there even rocksett on it at all? That shit should have been sparkling clean...
Welding dirty metal is a fools errand IMO... and the results speak as such.
Huh..?? He ranted throughout the entire move..Very poor work..... BUT- clean the shit off of it, polish it, put some coating or paint on it and shoot it is probably the best plan. What did he charge you to do it? With zero prep and the end product it couldn't have been more than a few bucks-- and you are thinking that he will buy you a new barrel and flash hider? Good luck with that one.
Not saying it's right but in a situation like this- well- remember the Jim Carrey rant in Liar Liar? Usually pretty sage advice.
What exactly did you pay him to do? Looking at the photos, did he do all the work seen in the photos? If so the weld and grinding/shaping doesn't look all that bad. All welding that isn't cleaned up looks similar. If he used gas slag will be on it as well.
"Finishing" is another story, did you pay him to refinish the muzzle device and barrel?
Are you the one who put Rocksett on the threads and then torqued it down and then took it to him in that condition and said "pin and weld it?" Rocksett should have never been used. I would have never expected a customer to have used Rocksett on a muzzle device/barrel he/she wanted pinned and welded. Did he even know there was Rocksett on the threads, or did he find out after he applied heat and it dripped down onto the barrel? Getting rid of the stuff is time consuming and wouldn't be part of a standard charge for pin and welding.
Either would refinishing. Refinishing would normally include cleaning up the part, removal of old finish, and refinishing. If the person doing the refinishing sees something that will take more time or not turn out right he'll call it to your attention and give you a quote for the extra work. Refinished properly you'd never know there was a problem.
Looking at this I suspect there is a gap between the gunsmith and the customer in what is being paid for and what you expected. Expectations need to be managed by both parties. At this point I'd take it to someone who can clean it up and reapply the desired finish, or use this misunderstanding 5o upgrade your finish.
Good luck with this.
Nah, blind kid with no arms used his feetHoly shit that’s terrible . Did he have Stevie Wonder weld it?
Hopefully he pays for a new barrel for you
Seems like this smith is the Hunter Biden of artists.Gunsmiths are like artists. Just because you have the title doesn't mean you are very good at what you do.
Yeah good luck ever getting that atrocity off there to ever replace the gas block... He should definitely be replacing everything. That "gunsmith" is a joke.To clarify, there is a gas relief port on the bottom of the muzzle brake to be used with the KAC can. The gas port on the barrel was never touched.
I agree however, a lot of this is on me for not knowing more about pin and weld jobs before trusting someone with my equipment. Lesson learned the hard way.
Didn't even think of that. Christ.Yeah good luck ever getting that atrocity off there to ever replace the gas block... He should definitely be replacing everything. That "gunsmith" is a joke.
ACC 3 prong was the first. Sig also had the problem many years later but on the MPX. it wasn't as bad though still annoying.Off topic, but a muzzle device. Yours made me think of it.
Wasn’t it sig that used to have that 3 prong that rang like a tuning fork. Shit was annoying and loud. Hopefully yours doesn’t do that.
That's what it was.ACC 3 prong was the first. Sig also had the problem many years later but on the MPX. it wasn't as bad though still annoying.
Risking a felony, when it can be avoided with something as simple as a pin and weld, is a joke.Pin and weld is such a joke. Just drip some silver solder on the hole and make it "look" welded. If the police are actually testing it to make sure its properly welded you have bigger problems.
Yes actually I did, the same guy that did the bedding job had put together a barreled action for me and chambered the barrel. I was pretty disgusted with the bedding job I ended up selling the barreled action, even though his machine work looked pretty good and the rifle shot pretty well, I just didnt want to pursue the project anymore. The stock was a sentimental piece, was a friend of mine's that passed. Started with a fresh barreled action and sent it all to SAC and they re-bedded to the new action.Did you change actions from first to second bedding job? Those weren't the same rifle action.
That's funny.I'm not usually a very empathetic person but damn, I'm glad that's not my gun.
Would 100% pass visual. Just to be sure johny law doesnt cut your barrel open and fail your weld you should probably turn it in at the next gun buy back.Risking a felony, when it can be avoided with something as simple as a pin and weld, is a joke.
Have you ever actually soldered anything? I doubt it based on your comments.Would 100% pass visual. Just to be sure johny law doesnt cut your barrel open and fail your weld you should probably turn it in at the next gun buy back.
Only if a gravitational field exists.You actually CAN just simply drip some solder on there if you want.
It literally is physically possible.
Good thing we're on planet earth which just so happens to have a gravitational field.Only if a gravitational field exists.
There is no difference in what you are recommending and what some knuckleheads telling others to go ahead and recore their own suppressors, who is going to know ? Just wrong and for any new guys trying to find good info, this crap sure is not it.Good thing we're on planet earth which just so happens to have a gravitational field.
Cool speech, to each his own.
I actually braze dissimilar metals as part of my job and have pin and welded several barrels both the correct way and not so correct way. Its a joke, the whole thing is a joke.
Your level of compliance of some arbitrary rule depends on the quality of your weld job?
Whos checking it? How are they checking it? Why are they checking it?
There actually is a difference between dripping silver solder and recoring a suppressor.There is no difference in what you are recommending and what some knuckleheads telling others to go ahead and recore their own suppressors, who is going to know ? Just wrong and for any new guys trying to find good info, this crap sure is not it.
There is no difference in what you are recommending and what some knuckleheads telling others to go ahead and recore their own suppressors, who is going to know ? Just wrong and for any new guys trying to find good info, this crap sure is not it.
Right you are, handmade doesn’t always mean well madeGunsmiths are like artists. Just because you have the title doesn't mean you are very good at what you do.
There is no difference in what you are recommending and what some knuckleheads telling others to go ahead and recore their own suppressors, who is going to know ? Just wrong and for any new guys trying to find good info, this crap sure is not it.
surely accuracy before was phenomenalI've learned the hard way myself on using local guys with great reviews...This was a "bedding" job I had done by a local builder. Super nice guy, had a few friends that recommended him, but he completely fucked up this stock. Sent it to SAC and they fixed it up right for me. I never did mention it to the first guy, not sure why. It's just a shame people do "work" like this and think it's acceptable. Before and after pics...
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Wrong. You CAN NOT replace ANYTHING inside your suppressor; without an SOT doing the work. Whether F1 or F4, same applies. Distal end caps are gray area, but legal; and mounts/proximal end caps have been labeled as "not suppressor parts". Adding or changing any material inside the can is 100% illegal.The core isn't the suppressor (relevant serialized part). The tube is. So as long as you don't mess with the tube you're legal. Otherwise companies like Ecco machine would be illegal which they're not.