I want to buy a PDW—What takes the cake?

[hypno02]

Hey guys,

For whatever reason I’ve been bit by the PDW bug. I have a 12” 5.56 LMT SBR along with several other lmt chassis that could be SBR’d but I want something a little different. Intent of use: self defense. Potential big game hunting <100yds but very unlikely in my AO. It needs to be really small with easy suppressor compatibility.

Pertinent info:
1. I have a .45 handgun (g21)
2. I don’t have a 300bo
3. I do reload but don’t plan to reload for this gun.
4. I have multiple 9mm glocks
5. An AR platform PCC is not an option.
6. Will most likely run with vfg & mrds.
7. Will probably carry in a backpack
8. Yes I understand the NFA and no that discussion has no bearing on this decision.
9. I have both .30 and .45 suppressors

Here are my options: (in order of most interest)
1. Sig MCX rattler 5.5” 300bo
2. (Tie) B&T .45
2. (Tie) LWRC Smg-45 ($3k?—fuck!)
4. Honey badger .300bo
5. Knock off mp5 in 9mm

I had a mpx pistol 3yrs ago and while fun—seems about 100% pointless knowing todays ballistic capabilities of the 556 &300.

 

[blbennett1288]

8" 300 BLK SBR suppressed. Subs and supers.

 

[Pappakap]

I’d consider a B&T .45. They did an update and B&T now takes Glock mags. With a 45 Glock in the collection that could share mags and that’s a plus in my book.

 

[missed]

I have been eye balling the Sig Rattler with the 5.5" myself. I really like the gas system and the ability to have a folder on it.

 

[79steeler]

Do the Blackout. Really your only choice for everything you want it to do.

 

[hypno02]

Thanks for the input guys. Really like the idea of the rattler.

 

[TheGerman]

SBR'd MP5K

300BO is gay and that Rattler is made of MIM India parts.

Or, save up for a while and buy a transferable Mac10/45 or 9 for literally 1/3 to 1/4 of what a transferable MP5 is.

 

[Docsherm]

8" 300 BLK SBR suppressed. Subs and supers.

This is full of win. I have a dedicated 8.3 300BO PDW that i only use 150 grain Supers in. It is awesome!!!!

 

[Docsherm]

SBR'd MP5K

300BO is gay and that Rattler is made of MIM India parts.

Or, save up for a while and buy a transferable Mac10/45 or 9 for literally 1/3 to 1/4 of what a transferable MP5 is.

Have use ever used an MP5 in combat? I bet not by your post......... it is trash now. 1970s tech is outdated. I suppose you also still have an 8 track system.

 

[sid]

It is trash because it doesn't have plastic mlok rails and shit or why?

 

[call_me_ski]

The Rattler is the best thing going for an ultra compact at the moment. It is built like a tank(MIM parts of not) and will work on an existing SBR lower of you are so inclined.


When lining up the cambers, my Rattler with a sandman-s mounted is about a half inch shorter than a 10.3in ar with a mount for he same can. That doesn’t even account for the much more compact back end that doesn’t have a buffer tube.

 

[TheGerman]

Have use ever used an MP5 in combat? I bet not by your post......... it is trash now. 1970s tech is outdated. I suppose you also still have an 8 track system.

You know what they say about assuming.

Only thing the MP5 family lacks is a LRBHO. Most people who don't like them have very limited experience with them and/or relate their operation directly against it not being the exact same as whatever weapons platform they generally use. It has its use; main limitation is the caliber.

 

[Docsherm]

You know what they say about assuming.

Only thing the MP5 family lacks is a LRBHO. Most people who don't like them have very limited experience with them and/or relate their operation directly against it not being the exact same as whatever weapons platform they generally use. It has its use; main limitation is the caliber.

I didn't assume anything. I have been issued the MP5 on several occasions. I am very familiar with it. I am also very familiar with the AK platform, but also would not want that.

And the MAC 10 thing was a joke, right?

 

[Nik H]

PDW means many things to many people.

A personal defense weapon is dependent on what you are defending yourself from. A little more information would help form better answers. I have 2-3 different ones as I find there is no magic bullet

 

[swage2712]

Maxim Defense PDX. The 300 BLK is being released this fall.

 

[mkollman74]

I shoot a suppressed Rattler. It’s VERY nice. If you can swing it, I’d go that route.

 

[blbennett1288]

3' OAL. I need to get a better dedicated light but it works for now. Super fast and fun. The subs are retarded quiet

 

[oldfatguy]

300 BO suppressed subs are stupid quiet. And supers make it a good hunting rifle.

OFG

 

[BurnOut]

Could do a Kriss Vector in .45, or IIRC I saw that there's a 10mm version now. If you want more oomph, a 300BLK SBR would do the trick, but if overkill is your thing, you could always do a .458 SOCOM SBR.

In 9mm, there's the MPX K and the CZ Scorpion that are both great options.

 

[broncoaz]

I shot a B&T 9mm last week, it was interesting but nothing special.

I’ve got an 8” .300 BO with a custom ported barrel from Ballistic Advantage that works great with subs suppressed and supers unsuppressed without an adjustable gas block. It’s a very versatile rig. My other favorite in 9mm is the CZ Scorpion, the folding brace/stock makes it easier to fit in a backpack, but it loses in the hunting big game <100 yards category.

 

[sam4886]

Gotta be a rifle? That short little v3 Remington is pretty sweet. Any AR caliber SBR would be fun too. At PDW distances, the caliber choice probably wont matter. If you're committed to buying ammo, the 300BO is probably your best bet, besides a shotty.

 

[aslrookie]

I won’t buy Sigs stuff anymore. They never have parts available nor can they even tell you when aftermarket parts will be ready to ship. They change stuff every year so the previous stuff diminishes in value and support.

They failed me with the SSG and the gen 1 MCX. I’d go LWRC.

 

[MSTN]

A lightweight, fairly slick 10.5" 5.56 SBR makes a respectable PDW:

Going smaller, this 6.5" .300 Blackout with 110 grain Barnes TSX load (2066 FPS) weighs in with optic at just 4.9 LB:

 

[RTH1800]

KAC SR15 SBR. Never look back.

 

[Hollywood 6mm]

I've been rattling around a similar build, but I had already decided on 9mm and wanting to take Glock mags. For me it's going to be an MPA 30DMG turned SBR with their side folder, and the short handguard with a 9mm can inside the handguard.

 

[cleric]

So pistol caliber carbines only offer more points of contact over a pistol. So if you can decently shoot a pistol your not getting much more benefit

I would step up to a rifle. So you are between 223 and 300. I would go 300 as they perform better per barrel inch than 223. Get a short 300 and call it good. I like the honey badger. It’s stupid light. The sig is a bit heavy but either should work. Also the noveske pdw is nice if you like ambi controls

 

[DRAM40A1]

Have use ever used an MP5 in combat? I bet not by your post......... it is trash now. 1970s tech is outdated. I suppose you also still have an 8 track system.

I’m wondering if your PDW is the same weapon you’d carry into combat?

 

[wade2big]

I don’t consider anything with a suppressor as a PDW. A PDW to me is something small, light, and short. A suppressor makes a weapon that would be small, light and short end up big, heavy, and long in contrast. A Pdw would also be something you would keep under the seat of your truck (or car for you city guys). I wouldn’t leave a suppressor in the truck or any NFA item for that matter.

 

[Docsherm]

I’m wondering if your PDW is the same weapon you’d carry into combat?

I don't own any weapon that i wouldn't carry into combat. I have 2 uppers that i DID carry into combat.

 

[Shoots 700's]

I would run an 8” 300BO

 

[Joelski]

CMT makes a mighty fine 9mm set. Add a 5" barrel and you got a darn nice tickler.

 

[__JR__]

6x35 PDW. mic drop.

 

[The King]

Get the fuckin rattler. No shit.

I have and use the rattler, with an 11.5 conversion 556 setup for cheap training.

The rattler folds, and fires a rifle round. 300 subs punch soft armor, and supers even more so. The folding changes the everything.

Get the rattler with the folder and not the collapsing stock - and get a flash can to kick the blast out when in a car etc.

The rattler I have has no jams (1300 300 blk rounds and 5000 556 rounds).

 

[shane45]

Get the fuckin rattler. No shit.

I have and use the rattler, with an 11.5 conversion 556 setup for cheap training.

The rattler folds, and fires a rifle round. 300 subs punch soft armor, and supers even more so. The folding changes the everything.View attachment 7138890

Get the rattler with the folder and not the collapsing stock - and get a flash can to kick the blast out when in a car etc.

The rattler I have has no jams (1300 300 blk rounds and 5000 556 rounds).

I have been wrestling back and forth between the sig and a DD Mk18. I find myself leaning toward the DD because basically I can indefinitely support it being basically an ar. I handled the Honey Badger but the stock setup seemed.....delicate.

 

[mkollman74]

I have been wrestling back and forth between the sig and a DD Mk18. I find myself leaning toward the DD because basically I can indefinitely support it being basically an ar. I handled the Honey Badger but the stock setup seemed.....delicate.

I have one of each. I love my DD MK18, but for a compact PDW, the Rattler wins.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Something in a 10mm setup to run the really hot rounds would be a pretty nice PDW
Or .45 Super.

 

[Strykervet]

I made my own. Tried optics and grips but it just works faster this way. About as short as you can get, maybe around 21" or so IIRC. The Ultra 5 can doesn't add much length but takes a lot of the bark out of it:

Considering a 9mm Stribog one day though, I have a can already and apparently ACU tested 'em out with other PDW's and it came in the top few. It's also only $500 something so totally affordable.

 

[The King]

Note I also have a mk18. The rattler kicks it’s ass. I can fit the rattler in a laptop bag - impossible with an AR without taking it down.

 

[Strykervet]

Have use ever used an MP5 in combat? I bet not by your post......... it is trash now. 1970s tech is outdated. I suppose you also still have an 8 track system.

Yeah, because everyone knows German is outdated and doesn't know shit about firearms or combat.

I don't own any weapon that i wouldn't carry into combat. I have 2 uppers that i DID carry into combat.

Doesn't everyone?

 

[Docsherm]

Yeah, because everyone knows German is outdated and doesn't know shit about firearms or combat.



Doesn't everyone?

I am guessing that you don't from the level of sarcasm I detect. But I have...... and I have never been a contractor.

I don't really care if you want to carry some antiquated stuff. It is just bad from to suggest what you "like" over what is real.

As someone that has been issued an MP5, as well as other firearms, there sre better options.

There is also the entire thing about familiarity. If a person is familiar with a system, like the AR, stick with it as apposed to starting something new. New can be good, but not if new is the only reason to change.

 

[shane45]

Yeah I can see the Rattler wins on the discreet front. But what about in handling? I wouldnt mind giving up a little size for handling. I held the Rattler in the LGS and it actually reminded me of a subcompact pistol. Sure its small but Im not confident id shoot it well so I carry a midsize pistol. So for you gents that have both, Id be very interested to hear about the handling aspect of the two. Thanks in advance!

 

[Mike_in_FL]

If $ not a problem, Seekins NXP8

NXP8

https://www.seekinsprecision.com/product/modern-sporting-rifles/nxr-pistol.html

www.seekinsprecision.com

 

[mkollman74]

Yeah I can see the Rattler wins on the discreet front. But what about in handling? I wouldnt mind giving up a little size for handling. I held the Rattler in the LGS and it actually reminded me of a subcompact pistol. Sure its small but Im not confident id shoot it well so I carry a midsize pistol. So for you gents that have both, Id be very interested to hear about the handling aspect of the two. Thanks in advance!

Handles like a dream for me.

 

[Waorani]

Get the fuckin rattler. No shit.

I have and use the rattler, with an 11.5 conversion 556 setup for cheap training.

The rattler folds, and fires a rifle round. 300 subs punch soft armor, and supers even more so. The folding changes the everything.View attachment 7138890

Get the rattler with the folder and not the collapsing stock - and get a flash can to kick the blast out when in a car etc.

The rattler I have has no jams (1300 300 blk rounds and 5000 556 rounds).

Happen to know the weight of just the 11.5" 5.56 upper?

 

[The King]

The rattler blows with the pdw stock. It rocks with the folder. Handling is very satisfactory - it’s easy for me to rock and roll it in our shoot house.

Happen to know the weight of just the 11.5" 5.56 upper?

 

[jeffl838]

Get the fuckin rattler. No shit.

I have and use the rattler, with an 11.5 conversion 556 setup for cheap training.

The rattler folds, and fires a rifle round. 300 subs punch soft armor, and supers even more so. The folding changes the everything.View attachment 7138890

Get the rattler with the folder and not the collapsing stock - and get a flash can to kick the blast out when in a car etc.

The rattler I have has no jams (1300 300 blk rounds and 5000 556 rounds).

Did you only need the 11.5 inch barrel to swap it onto a rattler?? Or do you need the normal virtus gas system?

 

[The King]

Barrels come with the gas system.

You need:

Midwest industries 10” suppressor handguard for the rattler
Sig 11.5 Virtus Barrel
Sig Virtus Standard Recoil Spring Assembly

 

[Waorani]

I've got one of the old Sig 556 pistols but it's heavy (upper = 5lbs) so was looking at MCX 11.5 5.56 uppers and curious about weight difference if I wanted to go to AR lower.

 

[The King]

It is heavy for sure. More than an ar upper.

 

[Smith_inator]

B&T apc 300. Accuracy is phenomenal and will eat any ammo you throw at it.