If 2000MR & CFE are the same..............
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Re: If 2000MR & CFE are the same..............
Curious, could this fall within the limits of lot to lot variation perhaps? That amounts to about 100 FPS velocity difference if I'm correct, seems like an AWFUL lot of disparity.
Curious, could this fall within the limits of lot to lot variation perhaps? That amounts to about 100 FPS velocity difference if I'm correct, seems like an AWFUL lot of disparity.
Re: If 2000MR & CFE are the same..............
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They aren't the same... </div></div>
They look the same, they have almost identical load data, both made in the same factory......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They aren't the same... </div></div>
They look the same, they have almost identical load data, both made in the same factory......
Re: If 2000MR & CFE are the same..............
And you have this..
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3118597
And you have this..
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3118597
Re: If 2000MR & CFE are the same..............
i think they are similar but not he same. ive said it before, if company A has something that they market, and it is produced by another company. Why wouldn't they protect that product so company H can't have that supplier make the same product?
i think they are similar but not he same. ive said it before, if company A has something that they market, and it is produced by another company. Why wouldn't they protect that product so company H can't have that supplier make the same product?
Re: If 2000MR & CFE are the same..............
Simply put, not the same. I have shot both out of 308 and 223, and load data/accuracy/velocity are different. 2000mr even has random sticks of powder dispersed throughout the normal ball stuff, cfe does not. While they might come from same basic chemical "start point" I assure you the finished products aren't very similar.
Simply put, not the same. I have shot both out of 308 and 223, and load data/accuracy/velocity are different. 2000mr even has random sticks of powder dispersed throughout the normal ball stuff, cfe does not. While they might come from same basic chemical "start point" I assure you the finished products aren't very similar.
Re: If 2000MR & CFE are the same..............
Mike from Hodgdon just told me they are not the same powder. And there is only one powder manufacturer in the USA that makes double base powders, that would be St Marks.
Mike from Hodgdon just told me they are not the same powder. And there is only one powder manufacturer in the USA that makes double base powders, that would be St Marks.
Re: If 2000MR & CFE are the same..............
They are not the same. 1smalljohnson is a member here who helped develop the 2000MR powder has made it very clear that they are not the same. You can do a search for him or do a search for MK 316 MOD O ammo.
johnny
They are not the same. 1smalljohnson is a member here who helped develop the 2000MR powder has made it very clear that they are not the same. You can do a search for him or do a search for MK 316 MOD O ammo.
johnny
Re: If 2000MR & CFE are the same..............
Damn...they aren't the same afterall.
I was literally standing by my co-worker when he called to speak with St Marks about 2000MR and CFE-223...the technician indicated that they were basically the same with minor differnces or something to that end...
I feel silly for relaying non-technical information...
Jgorski,
Are you finding that CFE-223 gives you better velocities than 2000MR even with the heavies (208AMAX and up)?
Damn...they aren't the same afterall.
I was literally standing by my co-worker when he called to speak with St Marks about 2000MR and CFE-223...the technician indicated that they were basically the same with minor differnces or something to that end...
I feel silly for relaying non-technical information...
Jgorski,
Are you finding that CFE-223 gives you better velocities than 2000MR even with the heavies (208AMAX and up)?
Re: If 2000MR & CFE are the same..............
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tx_Flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damn...they aren't the same afterall.
I was literally standing by my co-worker when he called to speak with St Marks about 2000MR and CFE-223...the technician indicated that they were basically the same with minor differnces or something to that end...
I feel silly for relaying non-technical information...
Jgorski,
Are you finding that CFE-223 gives you better velocities than 2000MR even with the heavies (208AMAX and up)? </div></div>
Havent tried the 208s yet, 12 twist might have something to say about that, from what I shot the other day it looks like Im matching Hornadys Superformance load for the 168.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tx_Flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damn...they aren't the same afterall.
I was literally standing by my co-worker when he called to speak with St Marks about 2000MR and CFE-223...the technician indicated that they were basically the same with minor differnces or something to that end...
I feel silly for relaying non-technical information...
Jgorski,
Are you finding that CFE-223 gives you better velocities than 2000MR even with the heavies (208AMAX and up)? </div></div>
Havent tried the 208s yet, 12 twist might have something to say about that, from what I shot the other day it looks like Im matching Hornadys Superformance load for the 168.
Re: If 2000MR & CFE are the same..............
JGorski,
The Hornady 168gr superformance lists a velocity of 2840fps from a 24" barrel.
Are you achieving that performance only with CFE-223, 2000MR or both?
Is you barrel length 24"?
JGorski,
The Hornady 168gr superformance lists a velocity of 2840fps from a 24" barrel.
Are you achieving that performance only with CFE-223, 2000MR or both?
Is you barrel length 24"?
Re: If 2000MR & CFE are the same..............
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tx_Flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">JGorski,
The Hornady 168gr superformance lists a velocity of 2840fps from a 24" barrel.
Are you achieving that performance only with CFE-223, 2000MR or both?
Is you barrel length 24"? </div></div>
Well, Ive got a 26" barrel, but looking at my targets Ive got a 300 yd zero, 5" high @200yds & 3.9" high @100yds. I could post a pic if you like. The velocity has to be very close to that 2840fps.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tx_Flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">JGorski,
The Hornady 168gr superformance lists a velocity of 2840fps from a 24" barrel.
Are you achieving that performance only with CFE-223, 2000MR or both?
Is you barrel length 24"? </div></div>
Well, Ive got a 26" barrel, but looking at my targets Ive got a 300 yd zero, 5" high @200yds & 3.9" high @100yds. I could post a pic if you like. The velocity has to be very close to that 2840fps.
Re: If 2000MR & CFE are the same..............
I have never used CFE 223 but whatever is in it to keep things clean seems to be in 2000MR as well.
I have never used CFE 223 but whatever is in it to keep things clean seems to be in 2000MR as well.
