Ingenuity Powder System

[Sooner Sniper]

I received my draft shield, platten and carbon mount today. I don't have V3, so I made a bracket to hover my Lyman manual power measure slightly above the drop tube in the mount. I'm having an issue with the powder drop hitting the powder cup on the platten and causing an "over" error on the initial drop even though it's not over. I tried changing the scale mode and going all the way to slow stops the initial over error, but that caused the trickler to throw over on almost every throw. There is probably some combination of settings that will fix this, and I've messaged Paul. Worst case I can remove the powder cup from the platten and replace it which clears the error and then it trickles up as you would expect. Not ideal, but not the end of the world if I have to do that until the IP dropper ships.

If I figure out a better solution, I will post it here in case anyone else runs into the same issue. The new mount for the trickler is a nice upgrade on the original stand and the draft shield is awesome.

 

[NiteQwill]

I received my draft shield, platten and carbon mount today. I don't have V3, so I made a bracket to hover my Lyman manual power measure slightly above the drop tube in the mount. I'm having an issue with the powder drop hitting the powder cup on the platten and causing an "over" error on the initial drop even though it's not over. I tried changing the scale mode and going all the way to slow stops the initial over error, but that caused the trickler to throw over on almost every throw. There is probably some combination of settings that will fix this, and I've messaged Paul. Worst case I can remove the powder cup from the platten and replace it which clears the error and then it trickles up as you would expect. Not ideal, but not the end of the world if I have to do that until the IP dropper ships.

If I figure out a better solution, I will post it here in case anyone else runs into the same issue. The new mount for the trickler is a nice upgrade on the original stand and the draft shield is awesome.

Did you remove the additional brass insert for the powder drop? That provided brass insert is only necessary if using the stock or aftermarket shield.

 

[Sooner Sniper]

I don’t believe it was included since I got the draft shield but I will check when I get home. Paul just gave me a couple of things to try when I get home as well.

 

[Sooner Sniper]

Increasing the Trickler stabilization time to 2000 ms seems to have solved the problem. That was Paul’s suggestion.

 

[Sooner Sniper]

I was getting a few bounce outs out of the top of the mount when the Lyman would catch on the 4350 (as it often does). Applied a little Okie engineering and cut off the bottom of an old funnel so that it sits flush with the powder tube. Problem solved. Working like a champ now.

 

[padom]

Was talking to Paul today and he clarified some things on the electronics. By default, when A&D scale is selected, it has a tolerance of 0.02 because that's the resolution of the A&D scale.

But, Paul explained you can go to Settings>Base and you will see "End Tol" is set to the default scale resolution of 0.02. You can change thst to 0.

Now, when dumping a charge, it will never stop 0.02 below your set charge weight. Example, if your dumping 32.0gr... if the scale on its final move stops at 31.8gr, it will kick one more notch to get you to 32.0.

This works really well with the smaller powders like varget, 8208, etc. He said its the bigger powders or less consistent kernel sizes that changing End Tolerance doesnt work well with..

I was dropping 8208 today and I set my End tolerance to zero and it was dead on and every once in awhile you would get a 0.02 over so that's better than a 0.04 swing from default setting...

Just thought I would share that for anyone looking to tweak their settings..

 

[Maurygold]

good update. I have been just hitting the trickle button when i was .02 under but that's a much better solution.

 

[padom]

good update. I have been just hitting the trickle button when i was .02 under but that's a much better solution.

I was doing the same thing until Paul told me to change the End Tolerance to 0.. its so fast too. It kicks that last notch practically before the final move was even done.

 

[Kiba]

Depending on your level of OCD you can also run the A&D balances in grams, which nets you a little better resolution compared to grains (0.001 grams = 0.0154 grains.)

For years now I've ran my FX120i in grams and accept +/- 0.001g from the target weight.

I'm guessing Paul's controller will also function in grams, the AT V1 certainly had no issues.

 

[padom]

Depending on your level of OCD you can also run the A&D balances in grams, which nets you a little better resolution compared to grains (0.001 grams = 0.0154 grains.)

For years now I've ran my FX120i in grams and accept +/- 0.001g from the target weight.

I'm guessing Paul's controller will also function in grams, the AT V1 certainly had no issues.

Completely unnecessary. That type of resolution doesn't change anything downrange

 

[Kiba]

Completely unnecessary. That type of resolution doesn't change anything downrange

Exactly, that's why I said it depends on your level of OCD. For maximum OCD you need a sartorius that reads down to 0.0001 grams, and cut kernels as necessary, even if you can't see that on the chronograph or target.

Running in grams and accepting +/- 0.001 from the target weight just seemed to be an easy, low effort way to make things a little bit better, at least on paper.

 

[Sooner Sniper]

Was talking to Paul today and he clarified some things on the electronics. By default, when A&D scale is selected, it has a tolerance of 0.02 because that's the resolution of the A&D scale.

But, Paul explained you can go to Settings>Base and you will see "End Tol" is set to the default scale resolution of 0.02. You can change thst to 0.

Now, when dumping a charge, it will never stop 0.02 below your set charge weight. Example, if your dumping 32.0gr... if the scale on its final move stops at 31.8gr, it will kick one more notch to get you to 32.0.

This works really well with the smaller powders like varget, 8208, etc. He said its the bigger powders or less consistent kernel sizes that changing End Tolerance doesnt work well with..

I was dropping 8208 today and I set my End tolerance to zero and it was dead on and every once in awhile you would get a 0.02 over so that's better than a 0.04 swing from default setting...

Just thought I would share that for anyone looking to tweak their settings..

I previously tried this with H4350. It led to several .04 overthrows. Still the same variance as the standard setting, but at least they are all in one direction as long as you are OK being on the high side of your load.

 

[padom]

I previously tried this with H4350. It led to several .04 overthrows. Still the same variance as the standard setting, but at least they are all in one direction as long as you are OK being on the high side of your load.

H4350 is a larger powder you won't want to change the end tolerance for

 

[Sooner Sniper]

H4350 is a larger powder you won't want to change the end tolerance for

Yep, I’m aware

 

[NiteQwill]

The new setup is slick. Gonna try to clean up the cable management though.