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Ingenuity Precision trickler
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If you were loading tiny calibers with small kernels, you might want less than 0.02 resolution.
Most of the time, this tens, on the side of overkill and I don’t know why anybody would want higher resolution than 0.02. It just creates problems and frustration with little practical improvement in velocity spread, especially if you’re shooting the big stuff with the large extruded powders, in which case it becomes a complete nuisance.
Thats darn slick! DC steppers are amazing. Talk about a innovator. So throwing the base charge manually and with the Creedmore scale $700 ish. Sold. TRX 925 is compatable yes?. Any problems losing the enclosure and welding some angle to get the manual measure over the cup/scale? It will take the right cup to get the measure and the trickler so theres no powder bounces outside the cup but I think its doable. Anti static procedures, grounding, mats needed?
This thing is so fast even with the Creedmore scale I think I will just run two cups and fill a block with charged brass on its bench not seat each charged piece of brass to save time. That lets me have my traditional check of comparing all the powder charges in the loading block visually to make sure there not a problem in the making. Makes me feel better. Then I will move the block to the bench with the press and seat. That way I can focus on one task and station at a time. The trickler can work while I pour the powder in the brass to save a little time.
This thing is so fast even with the Creedmore scale I think I will just run two cups and fill a block with charged brass on its bench not seat each charged piece of brass to save time. That lets me have my traditional check of comparing all the powder charges in the loading block visually to make sure there not a problem in the making. Makes me feel better. Then I will move the block to the bench with the press and seat. That way I can focus on one task and station at a time. The trickler can work while I pour the powder in the brass to save a little time.
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What do you guys think of the new breeze shield? Just got first articles in today.
How stable is it? That's my only concern with any shield. The opening seems kind of big doesn't it, or is that just the picture making it look that way?
opening is 3.5" wide x 4" tall. I could make the opening smaller and still have plenty of room for the cup to go in and out.
Factory one has windows 4.5" wide x 3.5" tall.
I'd make window slightly smaller if I was making my own, less potential for draft. Can we see the new prototype cup inside the breeze shield?
I agree, the number one concern I have is how stable it will be sitting on top and loaded with powder. The pic makes it look gigantically tall, but I suspect its just the pic and angle it was taken at. Short video of you using it with a semi-well known powder cup may make it a lot easier to judge size, etc.
Other questions:
1. Can the shield and dispenser both "spin" independently to sit in any direction wanted? For example, can the trickler be facing the user (6:00), and the opening be on the right side (3:00)?
2. Is the dispenser just sitting on top? Are they locked together in any way?
3. Any cable management planned?
The good thing about a shield is that it can be easily upgraded or changed later, by the original manufacturer or by aftermarket guys. I'll take whatever, and roll with the trend.
As you make the aperture smaller, you run the risk of the boomers with shaky hands complaining that they bump into it while inserting the cup. That's been a frequent complaint with the supertrickler because of the small space between the platen and the large tube.
As you make the aperture smaller, you run the risk of the boomers with shaky hands complaining that they bump into it while inserting the cup. That's been a frequent complaint with the supertrickler because of the small space between the platen and the large tube.
I guess there are two ways to go, one is to build structure on top of the scale vs simply slide the scale under a built structure.
Prototype would definitely need to be tested for stability, but so would any structure-on-scale concept. The OEM windshield on the Fx120i is obviously non-structural.
I do think that prototype gives the visual impression of being top-heavy, but its just a simple picture so its hard to say more.
One of the main features I would request if at all possible is the ability for 100% visual confirmation of the powder chamber being 100% empty.
Prototype would definitely need to be tested for stability, but so would any structure-on-scale concept. The OEM windshield on the Fx120i is obviously non-structural.
I do think that prototype gives the visual impression of being top-heavy, but its just a simple picture so its hard to say more.
One of the main features I would request if at all possible is the ability for 100% visual confirmation of the powder chamber being 100% empty.
1. Yes the shield and dispenser can be positioned any way you like in rotation. I.E. you can turn it where the cup is forward.
2. There is a hand nut on bottom the bolts them together.
3. The cables in production will be like the grey on in the picture. There will be three of those coming from the control box which you could tape or loom together to the rear of the scale for a cleaner management. They will also be 2' long for the guys that use their setup at the range in another enclosed box.
If you are going to run two cups, they must weigh exactly the same amount to get accurate results. This typically requires some ability to adjust the weight of the heavier of the two cups to make them match. Just keep that in mind.
Yep. That's why I run cheapie stainless shot glasses on my motorized Harrell / IP trickler setup. They're tall enough you don't get any splash out with the really fast bulk drop of the Harrell's, and they're very easy to lightly sand to weight match. Alternating with 2 weight matched cups means the next charge is ready and waiting for me as soon as I stuff a bullet in the previous case.
The stainless shot glasses don't build up a static charge either since they're conductive.
For the window, maybe a Reuleaux triangle shape would be a good blend between usable opening space (vertical and horizontal) but areas that typically aren't "usable" (like the top corners on a square window) have material to block some draft.
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Great idea. Just want to make sure I understand correctly.
You are using a standard stainless shot glasses that I can likely get at a liquor store and you don’t have splash problems?
What size? 1 oz, 2 oz?
Thanks for the video. It looks very stable, and I think the opening is a good size.
The adjustable drop tube is a nice feature to allow it to accept multiple different cup sizes.
I also like that it has the retaining nut holding the shield to the dispenser. This allows the entire unit to be removed easily for cleanup, storage, etc.
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I think I'm using 2.5oz ones, but I'd have to verify when I get home. The ones I use have a small rolled lip at the top so they're easy to hold on to. Got them from Amazon, very inexpensive, been using them with my home brew automated Harrell's setup + AT V1 trickler (now with IP trickler) for 7 years now. Just do a search for stainless shot glass or stainless tumbler and look for something about 2.5" tall.
Tried all kinds of baffles and things to slow down the powder drop to avoid kernels splashing out and the easiest and most reliable solution that didn't slow down the bulk drop was a taller cup. Zero kernels bounce out of the cup now even if I'm dumping 85gr out of the Harrell's at full speed.
Thanks! I’ve been using a silicone 1 cup kitchen measuring cup that I coated the interior with a hobby dry lube to keep powder from sticking. I haven’t yet messed with trying to get two cups measuring the same yet. I think the stainless cups would be better.
No powder sticking or static buildup issues with the stainless shot glasses in 7 years of use. I think you'll like them. I tried all sorts of cups including the fancy 419 and PVA cups and the only thing that left the scale free of stray kernels at the end of a loading session was the taller stainless shot glasses.
Bad thing is they don't have a handle, so they might not play nice with the new draft shield Paul is showing above as you have to get your hand in there to grab the cup directly... depends how large the access window and your hands are. Based on the video above a handle will make things much easier. You could probably build a weighted base with a handle for them. I don't think just adding a handle to the shot glass would work, it would probably tip over. They probably need a bit of extra weight and a larger footprint on the bottom.
I use the one that comes with Stranahan's Single Malt. Works great and Stranahans is a great american single malt so win win.
I think the design is excellent as is! I like using a tall SS shot cup to prevent kernels bouncing out.
Yea I dont care what the box looks like. Im fine with whatever you come up with as long as its functional. A cup that stops kernels from bouncing out to go along with the new thrower is more of a priority for me.
That is certainly an option, and you can even use some carbon loaded filament for conductivity to help dissipate static.
I'm a bit sensitive on the static issue having owned an rcbs chargemaster. All that plastic in the base and draft shield close to the scale pan on the chargemaster can build up static charges and result in significantly skewed dispensed charge weights and cause problems during load development and make you pull down a bunch of ammo and waste a lot of time... ask me how I know. That's why I like to see conductive materials used for the powder cup and anywhere near the scale pan.
Enabling autothrow should buy you a little more time to get the dump made manually.
My new electronics allow you to set the distance from target weight before the powder meter comes on.
Will the unit be made available through one of those (preferably the one in Spain, which one is it?) or do I have to order it directly from you then? German customs can be quite slow.
My Dealers are lining up to get their hands on it just as you. Most of them have already contacted me ready to start distributing ASAP
Awesome to hear, would you mind naming one or two so that I can get in contact and order when ready?
Who are your dealers? The fellas that have been cheering you on over here would like to give you our cash.
Maybe I missed this but is Paul taking orders for the new bulk dropper? I already have the IP trickler.
Will the mechanical/electronics of this thing have a restricted or optimal temperature operating range?
Asking because: the ATV4 motor would seize up in my garage on 100 degree days because of thermal expansion; and the ST vibratory motor is highly temperature sensitive below about 70 degrees - it speeds up as it heats up with continued operation, which alters its performance; or if you have settings that work at 90 degrees ambient, they don’t work at 65 degrees ambient (need different settings for seasonal temp variation if not in climate controlled environment.)
Mentioning because these are the things you don't think of when you're developing/testing in the same environment
Asking because: the ATV4 motor would seize up in my garage on 100 degree days because of thermal expansion; and the ST vibratory motor is highly temperature sensitive below about 70 degrees - it speeds up as it heats up with continued operation, which alters its performance; or if you have settings that work at 90 degrees ambient, they don’t work at 65 degrees ambient (need different settings for seasonal temp variation if not in climate controlled environment.)
Mentioning because these are the things you don't think of when you're developing/testing in the same environment
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What, you can't afford a climate controlled 69 degree, polished concrete floor, automated reloading room?
I kid.
But, yes, very good thoughts. I'm interested to know as well.
Unfortunately, it can be hard for a designer/inventor to envision all the ways their machine may be used. They have to make assumptions both consciously and unconsciously regarding many different aspects of the machine. The designer is so ingrained to the way they have designed it; that it is very hard for them to see the other ways their product will be used. This goes for using the product “correctly” and “incorrectly”.
I am continually shocked by how many different ways people will devise to use a product that the designer never thought about.
I say this to point out that the working temp envelope is a very valid question. We see people bringing their Autotricklers / Supertricklers to the range and reloading with them in the outdoor elements at events.
The follow on question from these customers will be “can it run off a battery pack”.
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