Here is a better pic of one of the rounds. I tried to find some H1000 last night but everyone here is out.
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Here is a better pic of one of the rounds. I tried to find some H1000 last night but everyone here is out.
So sorry for you, and your misfortune! Glad you are alive and unhurt!
I am quite sure that you have mixed powders there. I hate to say it.
And, Yes, you are correct, for some reason Sierra does go higher on the powder charges than Hornady does. I am actually glad to see that the H1000 by itself is not likely to be the cause. I would hate to be working with a powder that would be that sensitive to a minor "over-charge" (depending on which data you use). That would make me question using it at all.
I am quite sure that you have mixed powders there. I hate to say it.
And, Yes, you are correct, for some reason Sierra does go higher on the powder charges than Hornady does. I am actually glad to see that the H1000 by itself is not likely to be the cause. I would hate to be working with a powder that would be that sensitive to a minor "over-charge" (depending on which data you use). That would make me question using it at all.
That powder is most definitely mixed with another kind of powder, tell your buddy not to fire any more of those in his gun or he'll risk blowing his face off.
Find some more H1000 from a fresh can to confirm. If your buddy thinks that it came from Hodgdon that way, call them with a Lot # and let them know what happened. Yikes. The other powder looks like something much faster, maybe 4895 or similar? In any case, this is most definitely the fault of that reload, I'd be very surprised if the fired brass from the other gun didn't show severe pressure signs.
-matt
Find some more H1000 from a fresh can to confirm. If your buddy thinks that it came from Hodgdon that way, call them with a Lot # and let them know what happened. Yikes. The other powder looks like something much faster, maybe 4895 or similar? In any case, this is most definitely the fault of that reload, I'd be very surprised if the fired brass from the other gun didn't show severe pressure signs.
-matt
Mike,
Concur with Sniper Uncle you have a mixture of two powders. The "Golden Rule" of reloading I was taught many years ago was only one powder on the bench at a time...
You need to go to your buddy's house and get out his can of powder and pour it into a bowl to see if it is contaminated (take a camera, take a picture if it's contaminated...). You can also look at his reloading equipment and see if he's hand dumping/measuring or some sort of progressive system. If you're doing it by hand - just looking at the powder would tell 99.9% of us that there was a problem...
The other question is how important is your buddy's friendship as you go forward as the liability and $$ involved is significant.
I would also consider moving the thread to the reloading section. There are a be a lot of folks that will have some comments. Title it "mixed powder catastrophe" re-state the facts and you should get some more posts.
The other tim...
Concur with Sniper Uncle you have a mixture of two powders. The "Golden Rule" of reloading I was taught many years ago was only one powder on the bench at a time...
You need to go to your buddy's house and get out his can of powder and pour it into a bowl to see if it is contaminated (take a camera, take a picture if it's contaminated...). You can also look at his reloading equipment and see if he's hand dumping/measuring or some sort of progressive system. If you're doing it by hand - just looking at the powder would tell 99.9% of us that there was a problem...
The other question is how important is your buddy's friendship as you go forward as the liability and $$ involved is significant.
I would also consider moving the thread to the reloading section. There are a be a lot of folks that will have some comments. Title it "mixed powder catastrophe" re-state the facts and you should get some more posts.
The other tim...
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Fenix,
You're the one closest to the powder, is it different colors, or just not uniform lighting in your pics?
Also earlier you said the gun and scope were valued at 5500.00, what brand of gun was it? I have fully custom guns with NF scopes that I don't have that much into.
You said you sent the gun back to the manufacturer, I just can't see any gun mfg unvieling info that their gun was the problem. You'll never get it back either for others to test.
To me, mtncreek's pics looks th same as the powder in the pan.
You're the one closest to the powder, is it different colors, or just not uniform lighting in your pics?
Also earlier you said the gun and scope were valued at 5500.00, what brand of gun was it? I have fully custom guns with NF scopes that I don't have that much into.
You said you sent the gun back to the manufacturer, I just can't see any gun mfg unvieling info that their gun was the problem. You'll never get it back either for others to test.
To me, mtncreek's pics looks th same as the powder in the pan.
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Sorry to say, but your buddy fukked you big time.
I hope you can salvage that friendship!
Based on the lack of accuracy and muzzle brake bring a pita to remove it sounds like you have a savage. Love their rifles in any chambering other than 338lm. Do some research on this. They are known for accuracy issues, tight chambers, headspace issues, heavy bolt lift, etc. Not that it matters - its your buddy's reload that blew your $5k into smithereens...
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I hope you can salvage that friendship!
Based on the lack of accuracy and muzzle brake bring a pita to remove it sounds like you have a savage. Love their rifles in any chambering other than 338lm. Do some research on this. They are known for accuracy issues, tight chambers, headspace issues, heavy bolt lift, etc. Not that it matters - its your buddy's reload that blew your $5k into smithereens...
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Since we've established that the H1000 is the shorter grain length of the two shown in the first picture on previous page, the other powder in that mix looks to be an IMR style grain, like 4350, a great powder but NOT at 90+ grains in the 338.
I reload everything I shoot and have since I was 14. However, your experience has made me think about any way I can tighten up my processes to make certain that your problem can't happen, things like only having one powder can on the bench at a time.
Very scary and so glad you are ok. Do you realize how lucky you are? Could have been so bad.
Y'all Be Careful Out There,
Viper1
PS: Never loaded for the 338 Lapua Mag, just the 338 Win Mag so my opinion is based on insufficient data. Story of my life.
I reload everything I shoot and have since I was 14. However, your experience has made me think about any way I can tighten up my processes to make certain that your problem can't happen, things like only having one powder can on the bench at a time.
Very scary and so glad you are ok. Do you realize how lucky you are? Could have been so bad.
Y'all Be Careful Out There,
Viper1
PS: Never loaded for the 338 Lapua Mag, just the 338 Win Mag so my opinion is based on insufficient data. Story of my life.
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Looks like to me there are some longer and shorter kernels of powder in your friends' load.
Were I you, I'd be thankful you're alive. I wouldn't get overly angry at the manufacturer of the rifle as you shot untested hand-loaded ammunition in your rifle. I would almost think that perhaps there had been a small amount of another powder in his equipment. Also, you'd be well served to measure the overall length of the loaded rounds.
Concerning Sierra vs Hornady, etc:
Each bullet has a different design and the ogive is in a different part of the bullet, placing it "closer to" or "further from" the lands relative to the other bullet, even at the same COAL. This is why many measure by ogive, rather than the COAL. The part of the bullet that contacts the lands first is the important thing on length, not the COAL. This will result in different pressures, even for the same grain bullet. This is why you should always start low and work up. I would think the bullet being jammed into the lands is more likely a cause of overpressure than too much H1000.
Good luck settling this issue and thank your lucky stars you're in one piece.
Were I you, I'd be thankful you're alive. I wouldn't get overly angry at the manufacturer of the rifle as you shot untested hand-loaded ammunition in your rifle. I would almost think that perhaps there had been a small amount of another powder in his equipment. Also, you'd be well served to measure the overall length of the loaded rounds.
Concerning Sierra vs Hornady, etc:
Each bullet has a different design and the ogive is in a different part of the bullet, placing it "closer to" or "further from" the lands relative to the other bullet, even at the same COAL. This is why many measure by ogive, rather than the COAL. The part of the bullet that contacts the lands first is the important thing on length, not the COAL. This will result in different pressures, even for the same grain bullet. This is why you should always start low and work up. I would think the bullet being jammed into the lands is more likely a cause of overpressure than too much H1000.
Good luck settling this issue and thank your lucky stars you're in one piece.
The rifle was over $2,000, and about the same on the optics. Im also including the NF rings which are useless, ammo I bought that cant be used, empty drag bag etc. Its the total investment I made that now has no purpose to me. I also bought a bunch of primers, bullets and brass that I was hoping to use someday.
I will try to use a real camera for the pics later, but looks like even if the colors were the same, the powder itself looks to be different.
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Mike,
There's alot of talk about kernal size???? I load a shit ton full of N570, the kernal size varies a great deal, I know from picking kernals out of the pan after an overcharge.
I'm not ruling out your buddy making a booboo, I hope you "can" get it resolved. I'll save my lecture for when it's over!
The kernal dia is th same, length not so.
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I checked two lots of H1000 this morning; both were very consistent in dia, length and cut angle.
One lot of H4831sc; same as above.
One lot H4895; same as above.
One lot Rx17; consistent dia, but cut length and cut angle were all over the place.
Never used VV powders, but I would think they would be extruded from the same dia plate and would have same dia. Cut length and cut angle could be all over the place.
One lot of H4831sc; same as above.
One lot H4895; same as above.
One lot Rx17; consistent dia, but cut length and cut angle were all over the place.
Never used VV powders, but I would think they would be extruded from the same dia plate and would have same dia. Cut length and cut angle could be all over the place.
Milo, I'm talking about kernel diameter. I have looked at some of my powders, and the length of the kernel does vary, but I haven't ever seen a pronounced difference in the diameter of the kernel in the same powder can. His pics show a rather marked difference in kernel diameter as well as color. Also, he is talking H1000, which I have checked my can, and it is all relatively uniform in color, and the kernel diameter is all similar. Also, the kernels in my can run in a fairly constant range of lengths, and in his pics I see not only a diameter difference, but also a length range difference which coincides with the different coloration ranges that I see.
All that together, Diameter, Length of Kernel Range, and Coloration, look pretty clear (from the pictures) to be two powder types.
MntCreek, I see your coloring differences in your pics, but I see relative uniformity of kernel size in the H1000. In the second group of pics, did you mix the powders??? I am not sure what I am looking at, because I see color, length and diameter differences in those, so I assume you mixed them for effect?
There are certainly two powders mixed. One sure looks like H-1000 - the fat, shorter green shaded kernels. The other powder is longer, thinner and gray/black and doesn't look like a Hodgdon powder. I'm sure those kernels are what killed your rifle/optic. You could, if so motivated, take a pair of tweezers and separate the two kernel types into two lots. Would at least give you some idea of how much H-1000 you had vs the other powder. Not sure what you could do with that data, but you would at least know a bit more.
There is the issue of money and the issue of safety. Your safety is priceless, whereas the value of the weapon/optic is worth so much less. I'm thankful you nor anyone else was hurt.
There is the issue of money and the issue of safety. Your safety is priceless, whereas the value of the weapon/optic is worth so much less. I'm thankful you nor anyone else was hurt.
Based on your pictures of the powder and others pictures of their H1000. I see more of the "other" powder in your picture than I do the H1000. What does it look like to you? Does it look like two different powders? Have you spoken with friend about this to confirm maybe being mixed?
I agree, even a "low" pressure round can split a tube etc. if the bore has an obstruction, and it doesn't have to be huge.
" I am not sure what I am looking at, because I see color, length and diameter differences in those, so I assume you mixed them for effect? "
H1000 x H4895 (mixed; made me feel like a mad scientist…) Was going for a lighting comparison too, but too little sleep & not enough coffee made for a pic failure…
H1000 x H4895 (mixed; made me feel like a mad scientist…) Was going for a lighting comparison too, but too little sleep & not enough coffee made for a pic failure…
I just spoke with Hodgdon and sent them pics of the stuff. He said it is "impossible" to blow up a 338 Lapua round if it was only H1000 as the compressed load at 98 grains is the max that will fit and even then it is 52,000 cup pressure and very slow burning. I will see what he says about the powder and go from there I guess. I have also emailed Lapua and been talking with them a bit, curious to see what they all say about this.
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Uncle,
I edited my post probably as you were typing. Myself, I wouldn't even begin to decifer powder differences from some pic on the net.
If Mike thinks it's diff, he should contact Hodgdon, or some other place that can test to be totally sure.
I agree. H100 is the short, green stuff and the long grey stuff looks to be an imr powder and based on shape alone most likely not even close to the same burn rate. Mixing powders is not a good practice at all. Mixing powders of totally different burn rates is just plain dumb and a recipe for disaster.
At the very least i hope your buddy is infinitely sorry for nearly killing you and costing you several thousand dollars. I would hope he would let you shoot his rifles whenever you want to at the very least - but i wouldn't shoot any of his reloads out of them!
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At the very least i hope your buddy is infinitely sorry for nearly killing you and costing you several thousand dollars. I would hope he would let you shoot his rifles whenever you want to at the very least - but i wouldn't shoot any of his reloads out of them!
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OP alluded to that he shot his ammo by *mistake*. If that's the case, I fail to see how its the friend's fault.
From the OP:
"and apparently one found its way into my rifle and it didnt agree so well"
From the OP:
"and apparently one found its way into my rifle and it didnt agree so well"
I also see two powders mixed.
I'd bet the farm the large green kernels are either H1000 or Retumbo. Those two are very similar.
The longer, skinner, gray kernels are NOT a hodgdon extreme powder, nor are they a reloader powder. To me it looks like a fast-burning IMR, such as IMR4895 or IMR4064.
The Hodgdon extremes are all green colored. The reloader powders vary bit in length, and don't have nice squared up ends. Rather, a lot of the RE powders appear to have "slash-cut" ends. The IMR stick powders have the shiny graphite black look, appear rather long for their diameter.... My bet is IMR4895, IMR4064, IMR4350 or IMR4831...
It also appears the fast powder makes up the majority of the mix... You can load 338 with H4350 or IMR4350, but it calls for ~75gr, not ~95.
Sad to say, but ignorance, carelessness or ineptitude blew up your rifle.
Very glad you're ok!
I'd bet the farm the large green kernels are either H1000 or Retumbo. Those two are very similar.
The longer, skinner, gray kernels are NOT a hodgdon extreme powder, nor are they a reloader powder. To me it looks like a fast-burning IMR, such as IMR4895 or IMR4064.
The Hodgdon extremes are all green colored. The reloader powders vary bit in length, and don't have nice squared up ends. Rather, a lot of the RE powders appear to have "slash-cut" ends. The IMR stick powders have the shiny graphite black look, appear rather long for their diameter.... My bet is IMR4895, IMR4064, IMR4350 or IMR4831...
It also appears the fast powder makes up the majority of the mix... You can load 338 with H4350 or IMR4350, but it calls for ~75gr, not ~95.
Sad to say, but ignorance, carelessness or ineptitude blew up your rifle.
Very glad you're ok!
It "appears" to me, to be two different powders.
It "appears" to me, to be suspect reloading.
It "appears" to me, to be suspect reporting. How exactly does 'one' (or some?) random rounds of a different pedigree migrate themselves into your ammo-bag let alone your rifle?
I sure am waiting to hear/see more details of this whole episode. And thanks to the other posters whom have given pertinent information here. Especially the pictures of the deliberately mixed powders, for comparison. Good Job.
It "appears" to me, to be suspect reloading.
It "appears" to me, to be suspect reporting. How exactly does 'one' (or some?) random rounds of a different pedigree migrate themselves into your ammo-bag let alone your rifle?
I sure am waiting to hear/see more details of this whole episode. And thanks to the other posters whom have given pertinent information here. Especially the pictures of the deliberately mixed powders, for comparison. Good Job.
This ^ It would be very different if he had 'bought' a box of handloads from the friend, or even if the friend had given the reloads for use in the gun in question. If the friend didn't specifically hand the 'grenade' to the OP for use in his gun, I don't see there being any liability.
-matt
That's kinda what I figured. Thanks for clarifying. It is what I thought I saw, too.
Milo,
I am in 100% agreement with you here. I am just saying what I see in the photo, versus what I see in my scale pan from a can of H1000 that I alone have tampered with. I suspect mixed powders, and am reasonably sure of this, but without seeing the actual powder, compared to my powder, I can't be sure. Even then, I would hesitate to use that powder until tests beyond my ability were done. I'd set it aside, marked very clearly, and wait until the issue of the gun is fully settled. Then, i think I would throw it on the garden. If what I see in the pics is what I saw in real life, I'd get rid of it.
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Right on,
Given the fact these loads are what blew up in a gun, you'd have to be slightly nuts to put it back in a case.
yes, but my knowledge on these powders is very little. Ive reloaded pistols, 223 and 308 all which were fine grain, and I had quick changes for each caliber so I couldnt mix powder.
Im giving the rifle company a chance to take care of me. I cant find enough proof either way to say with 100% certainty if the load caused the failure or not, and until I either have evidence as such, or a complete denial from the rifle company to assist, neither the video nor the pictures of the rifle will go on the internet.
You mentioned that his loads were shooting fine out of his rifle? Was it this exact same load? Verified?
And you say that round made it into your rifle by mistake, yet you are saying you got them in trade? So you intended to fire them in your rifle at some point, obviously...
Sorry to say, but you have zero beef with the rifle company if they don't help you out. They'd be doing you a favor if they do. I'd take their offer to sell you another at a discount if that offer remains and doesn't get better. Lets just hope they don't stumble on here (and savage reps have been on here-a couple higher ups are members here) and see that pic of your mixed powder...
I do wish you the best, but you need to have a talk with your buddy.
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And you say that round made it into your rifle by mistake, yet you are saying you got them in trade? So you intended to fire them in your rifle at some point, obviously...
Sorry to say, but you have zero beef with the rifle company if they don't help you out. They'd be doing you a favor if they do. I'd take their offer to sell you another at a discount if that offer remains and doesn't get better. Lets just hope they don't stumble on here (and savage reps have been on here-a couple higher ups are members here) and see that pic of your mixed powder...
I do wish you the best, but you need to have a talk with your buddy.
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So they've gone from "making their way into your rifle" to you acquiring from him as exchange of goods, and you putting it it, knowing it was loaded specifically for another rifle?
This sounds fishy and inconsistent with your first post. Further, it almost seem as if you're blackmailing the company by threatening to sell your other rifle of their make and "circulating pictures and video" on the internet if they don't "work with you".
Its not the rifle company's fault. Its not the scope company's fault--could you post pictures of the scope? The real fault here is the guy that shoved the round of unknown origin that was loaded specifically for another rifle, in the chamber and squeezed the trigger. I agree with bodywerks, if the rifle company assists you in any way whatsoever, consider yourself fortunate.
Yes I did plan on using them, I didnt take them on trade only to make neat desk ornaments out of. I just spoke with him and he said he is still using the same powder in his current setups so who knows. As far as the company in question, unless you have some sort of prroof that I dont regarding the loads, Then it is still up in the air. Just because a load is hacked doesnt mean its automatically at fault.
Listen guy, I dont care much for your tone. If you dont plan on adding anything to help, then get out of my thread. I dont care if I got the rounds from the moon and they were hand crafted by God himself, nor do I want your speculation that my "story" doesnt seem legit. ... I am looking for assistance in either direction and all youre providing is BS.
You don't like my "tone"? Oh no!
You are asking for help and providing incomplete, and seemingly contradictory information. If you want help and advice, you have to be upfront and honest.
You may not care if your rounds come from the moon, but Savage (or whoever made the rifle) does as they aren't liable for others' failure. I'll wager they probably have a warning in their owner's manual to only used factory ammunition that matches the chamber designation on the barrel. You'll be best served sending a round to Hogdon, the rifle maker, and retaining one yourself. But when ammo is the problem and it wasn't loaded by somebody that can make it right, don't be upset by the rifle maker. I wouldn't get mad at Ford because I ran my truck with transmission fluid in the crankcase and trashed the egine.
-the "listening guy"
You are asking for help and providing incomplete, and seemingly contradictory information. If you want help and advice, you have to be upfront and honest.
You may not care if your rounds come from the moon, but Savage (or whoever made the rifle) does as they aren't liable for others' failure. I'll wager they probably have a warning in their owner's manual to only used factory ammunition that matches the chamber designation on the barrel. You'll be best served sending a round to Hogdon, the rifle maker, and retaining one yourself. But when ammo is the problem and it wasn't loaded by somebody that can make it right, don't be upset by the rifle maker. I wouldn't get mad at Ford because I ran my truck with transmission fluid in the crankcase and trashed the egine.
-the "listening guy"
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Mike,
Before you jump on Tyler too hard, you have to admit that bits and pieces of info have entered this story as it goes along. It should have all been stated up front.
So far we've crucified the loader for mixing powders, off a shitty pic, really.
I will commend you for not giving the gun mfg's name, though we can deduce it down. I wish you luck in their findings, they'd have to be extremely stand up to admit fault, like I said, you wont get the remains back.
As it stands now, everything is premature as far as what went on. This whole thread is nothing but finger pointing, and feel good BS. If you question the powder by looks, send it off and have it tested, if that's possible.
Hope I didn't strike a nerve also.
Before you jump on Tyler too hard, you have to admit that bits and pieces of info have entered this story as it goes along. It should have all been stated up front.
So far we've crucified the loader for mixing powders, off a shitty pic, really.
I will commend you for not giving the gun mfg's name, though we can deduce it down. I wish you luck in their findings, they'd have to be extremely stand up to admit fault, like I said, you wont get the remains back.
As it stands now, everything is premature as far as what went on. This whole thread is nothing but finger pointing, and feel good BS. If you question the powder by looks, send it off and have it tested, if that's possible.
Hope I didn't strike a nerve also.
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Well, please tell him to NOT use those rounds until the status of those 'long thin black/grey kernels' is accounted for... its as clear as day that they are not H-1000 and to use those loads in another rifle chamber is like playing Russian roullete. Check the jug of H-1000 he is using, maybe that jug is mixed powder, check his powder dispenser, pull apart and reload all of the loads. Do whatever it takes to find out where that powder came from.
I attached a screenshot highlighting the two different powders, at least how I see them.
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The problem is that there is clear evidence that the powder used in the reloads is questionable, at best. Depending on how the load is 'hacked', it is most certainly at fault, especially if it is creating chamber pressures far in excess of what the rifle is rated for.
The problem you have here is that you willingly chambered a round that was not loaded by a commercial entity, and you don't have proof of what it contained. That fact alone is more than enough to absolve the manufacturer of any liability. Had this happened with a factory-loaded round, you'd sue either the rifle manufacturer or the ammo manufacturer and let them hash it out with testimony from 'expert' witnesses in court.
-matt
There is actually nothing contradicting whatsoever. You are making hypothesis based on a story you are forumlating in your head to an outcome that you desire. Regardless of where the ammo came from, who made it, whether I fired 1 or 1,000 in my rifle, the same topic still exists on what happened. You are getting sidetracked by your interesting in being a roadside detective, and the information you seek has absolutely nothing to do with anything in the original post.
You didnt at all. Tyler is getting off topic with whatever attempts he has at attacking my credibility. I am puropsely leaving bits and pieces out because my intent wasnt posting the entire story until I have all the facts because I dont know where the fault lies (Yes I understand I was the one who pulled the trigger). I have learned a great deal today from speaking with specialists at Hodgdon, Lapua, and a couple guys who have offered advise based on their experience, and that is what I was seeking. I also learned quite a bit from measuring the loads, rounds, OAL etc. Unfortunately it seems like for every loose end I figure out, another opens up.
I'll agree with you that the mixed powder (i assure you based on your pic there are two different powders there) can not be proven to be the culprit. But we also can not be 100% certain that what you got from him are the same exact loads from the same exact run of reloads that he was shooting, either unless he happens to have a few left and was willing to pull one apart to verify. Even if it did end up having the same mixed powder, i would not be willing to ask him to fire another round out of his gun to see if it doesn't blow up!
I'm still assuming you have a savage. My experience is they have a tight chamber and reasonably short throat. Going off memory, i had to keep my loads around spec length to avoid jamming the bullet into the lands. If the rounds you have are the same recipe that your buddy had been firing and he's not looking at pieces of scope scattered on the ground and a banana-peeled barrel, it is possibly due to a looser chamber and barrel and just plain dumb luck that he is not in your predicament.
Bottom line, the round that was in the chamber at the time your rifle went kaboom was one of your buddys reloads and it was the first one at that and it was charged with an unknown assortment of mixed powder. Sure, it's still speculation, but the evidence is quite overwhelming.
Like i said, take their offer to buy another at a discount if the offer didn't get any better. It's the only way to absorb some loss.
I feel for you man, i really do. This was not a critical err in judgment on your part to accept reloads from a friend, just really, really bad luck...
By the way, what is the OAL of his reloads that he gave you? Just wondering if they were loaded longer than spec based on his experience with HIS rifle.
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Fenix Mike;2399146 I have learned a great deal today from speaking with specialists at Hodgdon...[/QUOTE said:
I'm not attacking your creditability. I'm asking for clarity. I'm sorry if you feel as though you're being attacked. You don't want to hear it, and I wouldn't want to if I were in your situation, but the failure isn't on the rifle company.
First you said it was your buddy's ammo "and apparently one found its way into my rifle and it didnt agree so well". This intentionally or unintentionally makes it sound as though it was an accident. Did it find its way or did you put it there? You say you put it there because you traded your buddy for reloads. Then you suggest your angst that the company may tell you to "pound sand" because you're using hand-loads and threatened to post pictures, video, and sell your other rifles if they don't work with you. What other help do you want? Does their owner's manual or barrel stamp approve of hand-loaded ammo?
If you want answers send a round that was loaded in the same lot to Hogdon, but that's only going to help satisfy curiosity.
First you said it was your buddy's ammo "and apparently one found its way into my rifle and it didnt agree so well". This intentionally or unintentionally makes it sound as though it was an accident. Did it find its way or did you put it there? You say you put it there because you traded your buddy for reloads. Then you suggest your angst that the company may tell you to "pound sand" because you're using hand-loads and threatened to post pictures, video, and sell your other rifles if they don't work with you. What other help do you want? Does their owner's manual or barrel stamp approve of hand-loaded ammo?
If you want answers send a round that was loaded in the same lot to Hogdon, but that's only going to help satisfy curiosity.
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