Maybe I'm a pessimist but I can't help but feel that we're still too far out from the NOV elections for this to go hot.
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Iran attacks Israel start of WW3?
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Nope, this is all being well planned and executed.
Don't get me wrong- I'm a big fan of the "not a flaw but rather a feature" rebuttal, but to your point- what would be the endgame here? An all out war on Israel which is roughly the same size as Delaware here in the US? Maybe another unpopular opinion but should the country of Israel fall to Hamas/Iran/whoever, what percentage of Americans would be impacted/even care?
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Think world wide. Global cabal knows the natives are getting restless. Eyes are opening. They need a world war to unite the natives against a common (foreign) enemy, and take their eyes off of how much they (cabal) have ruined their countries.
I sincerely hope that your assessment is wrong but at the same time fear that you may be right.
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So, when is the invasion gonna be happening in Winnipeg, Mb Canada, so there are those around that can 'do their part'?
The gonna start from the 'outside in' and surround us all, or start from the center and make their way out? So's that we've got THEM surrounded?
The gonna start from the 'outside in' and surround us all, or start from the center and make their way out? So's that we've got THEM surrounded?
Winnipeg? That's definitely a paratrooper operation- they'll land in the center of everything and work their way out until you find yourself surrounded.
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Not just a Muslim thing. “Diversity” has never been a strength. It has been a harbinger of societal collapse in every instance.
Americas strength for 250 years is NOT diversity. It is the opposite.
E. pluribus Unum. Out of many, one.
We could thrive with a whole rainbow of peoples who became American. Once the left started pushing identity politics in the 1960’s… we were fucked.
And it was not an accident.
Divide Et Vince. Divide and conquer long predated E. Pluribus Unum.
Sirhr
I thought it was getting late. It takes time for enough to get a belly full of xyz to cause a national ruckus. Then again if 100k's are smoked in just a matter of minutes or days the times could be shortened. There is a huge underlying elephant in the US, that has not spoken yet, but their time is coming.
I might be inclined to massacre people if word came down from my cousin that, "hey, we were praying on this land we have been on for 900 years, and then suddenly these people poured out of this Arabian Peninsula thing and now they dominate this land, come help us."
The Crusades didn't happen in a vacuum or as a matter of "one day Christians got bored and decided to start an unprovoked war with Muslims in the Levant."
And who's fault is it they aren't living 1st world?
There's not a damn country on this planet that HAS to be 3rd world.
Go back to Africa 50 years ago. People brought tools, seeds, grains and even tractors to them.
They were taught how to dig wells, plant crops, store them and even how to market their wares.
They were too lazy to use their new found tools and information.
They dismantled the tractors and sold off the parts...
I prefer a "Ron Paul" isolationist stance when it comes to other countries.
With our allis we help them with weapons that they have to pay for.
We only put boots on the ground under the most extreme circumstances.
We treat our boarders like a supermax prison wall.
You want to become a citizen you must go through and pass a stringent process and most importantly YOU PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES AND OUR WAY OF LIFE you leave your home countries traditions and whatever other bullshit behind you if you don't agree to that FUCK YOU GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM.
With our allis we help them with weapons that they have to pay for.
We only put boots on the ground under the most extreme circumstances.
We treat our boarders like a supermax prison wall.
You want to become a citizen you must go through and pass a stringent process and most importantly YOU PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES AND OUR WAY OF LIFE you leave your home countries traditions and whatever other bullshit behind you if you don't agree to that FUCK YOU GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM.
This latest conflagration in the middle east is disturbing but not as surprise. Ref: "Wag the Dog". Brandon was not polling well and the concerted efforts to put the political opposition in prison for a variety of "Trumped Up" charges was not going well either. What better way for Bernie (Weekend at Bernie's) to look presidential to the sheep then for the puppet master (O-man) to pull his strings and wave his arms and tell the Mullahs "Come on man!, I told you Don't". This is an age old conflict. And it ain't over folks. It was 45y ago when another feckless US Prez was being embarrassed by Iranian shenanigans. Until we/they bite the bullet and perform a massive restructure of the political and social landscape in that region of the world we cannot expect much to improve.
Next steps? 1.) Brandon and his puppet master will rattle sabers and tell Iran that they have been very bad. 2.) BeBe will listen to Brandon's sage counsel and then do whatever the fu#k he needs to do anyway. 3.) Iran will respond with more violence. 4.) Brandon will hide in his basement. 5.) MSNBC will blame Trump. It is his fault after all. If Trump were in office this would never happen. Right? 6.) As long as we continue to keep electing limp di#k mealy mouthed liberal fu#ktards to run the country, we really should not expect much to change. Instead we will slide more progressively toward a socialist utopia.
From my lens this new conflict was designed, or is being spun to aid old sleepy uncle Joe in his efforts to maintain power for the socialist regime here in the USA. Never waste a good crisis is in the communist play book. Joe stands up and proclaims "Don't". Iran stands up to Joe and says "Fu#k You!" What happens next? I cannot say but what I can say is it will not be good. Let me speculate: While all eyes are on Israel and Iran, a group of the young military age Iranian men who have been walking into the USA across the US/Mexico border have been organizing terror cells in various parts of the USA. These Islamic terrorists are playing a long game. They claim they are from Guatemala, Nicaragua, Mexico and claim names like Miguel, Luiz, Juan. They speak Spanish and we welcome them in without vetting or question. Now they gather and roam in small groups looking for ways to cripple America. Our economy and financial markets are a house of cards and literally need only a small push to tumble down. So, if I were in their shoes? Luckily, I am not. Armageddon will not be fun. Time is short me thinks.
Next steps? 1.) Brandon and his puppet master will rattle sabers and tell Iran that they have been very bad. 2.) BeBe will listen to Brandon's sage counsel and then do whatever the fu#k he needs to do anyway. 3.) Iran will respond with more violence. 4.) Brandon will hide in his basement. 5.) MSNBC will blame Trump. It is his fault after all. If Trump were in office this would never happen. Right? 6.) As long as we continue to keep electing limp di#k mealy mouthed liberal fu#ktards to run the country, we really should not expect much to change. Instead we will slide more progressively toward a socialist utopia.
From my lens this new conflict was designed, or is being spun to aid old sleepy uncle Joe in his efforts to maintain power for the socialist regime here in the USA. Never waste a good crisis is in the communist play book. Joe stands up and proclaims "Don't". Iran stands up to Joe and says "Fu#k You!" What happens next? I cannot say but what I can say is it will not be good. Let me speculate: While all eyes are on Israel and Iran, a group of the young military age Iranian men who have been walking into the USA across the US/Mexico border have been organizing terror cells in various parts of the USA. These Islamic terrorists are playing a long game. They claim they are from Guatemala, Nicaragua, Mexico and claim names like Miguel, Luiz, Juan. They speak Spanish and we welcome them in without vetting or question. Now they gather and roam in small groups looking for ways to cripple America. Our economy and financial markets are a house of cards and literally need only a small push to tumble down. So, if I were in their shoes? Luckily, I am not. Armageddon will not be fun. Time is short me thinks.
Mostly agree. I have issue with step 6 above. WE didn't elect most of the bad actors (think Dominion and 2am ballot drops). They were installed by the axis of evil. And we'll NEVER vote our way out of this.
They don't care what it cost them... we paid for it.
Oh, wait... those billions we sent them were humanitarian aid and they were going to build schools and Starbucks and fern bars with it...
Sirhr
Place where hipsters hang out and drink Zima and order avocado toast. Faggy manbun gathering place decorated with ferns and guys saying 'Can I push in your stool?'
Damn X-ers... ;-)
Sirhr
This whole operation was planned and communicated to all the significant players well beforehand. It’s a dog and pony show for the pro sports followers who still think the media informs anyone.
I think there is a lot to this...
Xiden saying "No, please. Don't" like a simpering fool. The Arab states saying "No, please don't." While really hoping that Israel does.
Give them a diplomatic 'out' to say "Well, we told them not to" while condemning them after they raze big parts of Iran. And behind closed doors everyone is cheering.
That's what happened in the '80's when Israel took out Osirak... everyone condembed them. Some of the dickheads in Reagan's cabinet were outraged. Reagan smiled and said "Well, boys will be boys." The whole world was happy that bullet was dodged!
This 'is' Kabooki Theater. Now the question is... is it theater designed to let Israel deal with the problem? Or is it theater designed to mollify the far left in the USA? Or is it theater designed to get us in a shooting war so Xiden can try and ride that into office in November... (No sitting president has ever been defeated during a shooting war -- good excuse for another steal.)
Theater? 100 percent. The question is 'what is the real script' and who is writing it? And... will the script survive the opening act?
Sirhr
I think “they” are crisis managing right now. Like all leftist plans and planners, reality messes up the flow every time. The give away for this op was the 6-8 hr heads up everyone received to deal with the drones.
Do they also discuss 6.5CM ballistics at these bars?
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WW3 ish has been going on for 15 years. Nobody will outright call it that though.
That reveals a startling lack of understanding of history.
In Rhodesia in the 1940s-1950s there were thriving vibrant African [black] owned farms, the white minority colonial government passed laws to nationalize and seize all of those farms so they could be broken up and then distributed as homesteads to newly arriving white working class immigrants, largely poor English and Portuguese. I recall reading about a legal case in the late 1950s whereby a thriving 400 hectacre black commercial farm was on the chopping bloc, the man's white neighbor tried to help him with the legal case, but the highest court in Rhodesia approved the seizure and the farm was broken up and parceled out to newly arriving poor working class white immigrants from the Portuguese Empire and elsewhere in the British Empire.
If my parents had lost their farm to a government that took it to give it away to people on the basis of skin color, I would absolutely be interested in pushing my claims to get it back once that previous government was gone.
Broadly speaking, a significant number of the farms in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe are existing on stolen land with the thieves or the beneficiaries of the theft still being alive and the victims or their immediate offspring/descendants still being alive.
If I stole your father's classic Shelby Mustang and gave it to my son, then your father died, you would likely want it back, even if it had already been delivered to my son. You would understandably and rightly insist, "I want my father's car back." You would have a living memory of the car having been your fathers and of my theft of the car.
The more I study the land situation in Zimbabwe the far less sympathy I have for the beneficiaries of the land theft. On the other hand, about half of all of the original white owned farms, going back to the late 1800s and early 1900s, were operations begun on vacant/barren/fallow land, and many of the beneficiaries of the seizures are just Zimbabwe party functionaries and international bankers promoting agribusiness, so that is pretty crappy.
It is an "oh well, what can you do" situation, but to say, "white farmers good, let them all keep *their* land" ignores the fact that much of it was never *their* land, and that numerous thriving black farms were trampled underfoot to make way for small homesteads being given to the scum of the Portuguese and British slums who were brought to Rhodesia as part of a policy to boost white numbers via attracting destitute and working class whites with the enticement of the offer of "free" farm land. The government had to get that "free" land from somewhere, and that somewhere was expropriation of black farm land.
Land Apportionment Act of 1930 - Wikipedia
If I were in charge of the legal system, I personally wouldn't compensate any [white] farmers in Zimbabwe who lost "their" land as a result of the end of the policies implemented under the Land Apportionment Act of 1930.
Did Romans living in Gaul get compensated when the Franks, Burgundians, and other Germanics arrived?
These things happen as part of historical reality. People lose land. Land changes hands. Africans had land prior to the 1800s, they lost it for about 100 years, then they regained it back. I'm not inclined to feel too sorry for people [Rhodesians] who lost "their" land because they were unable to hold onto it. I don't feel sorry for people who wound up on the losing end of a struggle, even if they share my skin color. They were on "stolen" land and were not strong enough to hold onto it.
I have not studied any of the history. And my only understanding of the story is based on what’s posted on the internet. I also realize that my “understanding” of the situation most likely is skewed by the leanings of the writers of the stories.... But I have questions.That reveals a startling lack of understanding of history.
In Rhodesia in the 1940s-1950s there were thriving vibrant African [black] owned farms, the white minority colonial government passed laws to nationalize and seize all of those farms so they could be broken up and then distributed as homesteads to newly arriving white working class immigrants, largely poor English and Portuguese. I recall reading about a legal case in the late 1950s whereby a thriving 400 hectacre black commercial farm was on the chopping bloc, the man's white neighbor tried to help him with the legal case, but the highest court in Rhodesia approved the seizure and the farm was broken up and parceled out to newly arriving poor working class white immigrants from the Portuguese Empire and elsewhere in the British Empire.
If my parents had lost their farm to a government that took it to give it away to people on the basis of skin color, I would absolutely be interested in pushing my claims to get it back once that previous government was gone.
Broadly speaking, a significant number of the farms in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe are existing on stolen land with the thieves or the beneficiaries of the theft still being alive and the victims or their immediate offspring/descendants still being alive.
If I stole your father's classic Shelby Mustang and gave it to my son, then your father died, you would likely want it back, even if it had already been delivered to my son. You would understandably and rightly insist, "I want my father's car back." You would have a living memory of the car having been your fathers and of my theft of the car.
The more I study the land situation in Zimbabwe the far less sympathy I have for the beneficiaries of the land theft. On the other hand, about half of all of the original white owned farms, going back to the late 1800s and early 1900s, were operations begun on vacant/barren/fallow land, and many of the beneficiaries of the seizures are just Zimbabwe party functionaries and international bankers promoting agribusiness, so that is pretty crappy.
It is an "oh well, what can you do" situation, but to say, "white farmers good, let them all keep *their* land" ignores the fact that much of it was never *their* land, and that numerous thriving black farms were trampled underfoot to make way for small homesteads being given to the scum of the Portuguese and British slums who were brought to Rhodesia as part of a policy to boost white numbers via attracting destitute and working class whites with the enticement of the offer of "free" farm land. The government had to get that "free" land from somewhere, and that somewhere was expropriation of black farm land.
Land Apportionment Act of 1930 - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
If I were in charge of the legal system, I personally wouldn't compensate any [white] farmers in Zimbabwe who lost "their" land as a result of the end of the policies implemented under the Land Apportionment Act of 1930.
Did Romans living in Gaul get compensated when the Franks, Burgundians, and other Germanics arrived?
These things happen as part of historical reality. People lose land. Land changes hands. Africans had land prior to the 1800s, they lost it for about 100 years, then they regained it back. I'm not inclined to feel too sorry for people [Rhodesians] who lost "their" land because they were unable to hold onto it. I don't feel sorry for people who wound up on the losing end of a struggle, even if they share my skin color. They were on "stolen" land and were not strong enough to hold onto it.
How does the ability, or inability, of the past or present “land owners” to grow crops or sustain food supplies for the population figure into the story? Is the “productivity” of the land vs “operator” part of the equation?
If ownership is simply a matter of who somebody else believes [subjectively or objectively] can put it to better use, then that means ownership is suddenly a very nebulous concept.
That boat of yours down at the dock that you haven't used in six months, if your neighbor believes he can take it fishing 3 times per week and generate income from it, watch out, it won't be yours for long.
"I can put his stuff to better use, so it should be mine and not his" is not a particularly sound principle upon which to run a society.
But it could be a basis of how to keep a society alive?
Governments are always evil if yours is the neck the boot is placed upon.
Who facilitated the creation of the commercial farm? Who used the farm as a means to exert political control? Why was the farm seized? Was it racism or was it politics?
At least half of all white farms in the former British colony of Rhodesia were formed via racist colonialist policies in the 1930s-1950s that saw Africans kicked off the land they were farming or grazing on, to make way for white migrants. The other half were largely multi-generational farms in the hands of whites who had been around since the 1880s-1890s and were farming on land granted to them in tribal exchanges, deals, sales, or land that had been barren, fallow, and was vacant when they arrived.
So when are you returning to where you came from? Cuz everything you have stems from the same racist colonial policies.
I think you purposely missed most of what I said in earlier posts, but that is okay.
Scroll up a few posts before making a drive-by flippant remark.
If my parents had lost their farm to a government that took it to give it away to people on the basis of skin color, I would absolutely be interested in pushing my claims to get it back once that previous government was gone.
Broadly speaking, a significant number of the farms in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe are existing on stolen land with the thieves or the beneficiaries of the theft still being alive and the victims or their immediate offspring/descendants still being alive.
If I stole your father's classic Shelby Mustang and gave it to my son, then your father died, you would likely want it back, even if it had already been delivered to my son. You would understandably and rightly insist, "I want my father's car back." You would have a living memory of the car having been your fathers and of my theft of the car.
There is nobody in the United States who has living memory of having lost land or their parents or grandparents having lost land to a policy that was implemented and could be reversed. A vague, "Well 400 years ago, somebody I think was related to me or who looked like me, had land in what I think was this area, and it was taken I think by ancestors of those who looked like you."
That's not going to cut it.
If your great great grandfather's Holland and Holland double rifle was stolen, the police aren't simply going to return it to the first white dude who shows up and says, "I'm white, he was white, give me that rifle." They might return it to you, contingent upon your providing proof of your lineal descent from him, along with information to identify the actual rifle in question.
Also you're assuming I am an Englishman in the USA descended from colonial era Englishman. You're also assuming I support trying to right every single historical wrong imaginable, stretching back centuries, when all of the players are dead, as opposed what I said was a narrow limited righting of current/ongoing wrongs involving parties and players who are often still alive, or whose immediate descendants are still alive with a living memory of what their parents went through.
If somebody stole your father's priceless Rembrandt during a war, you would want the painting back no matter where it had landed since that point. If we get 300-600 years out from the theft, that isn't something society is inclined to want to try to right, because it becomes very difficult to administer justice when the original victims, their immediate heirs, perpetrators, and witnesses are all dead and the painting has changed hands dozens of times.
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What does it have to do with this, other than being mental masturbation on your part?
Are you trying to say that Muslims are justified in their actions? Iran is justified in their proxy war? You actually think they give a shit about Gaza?
The reality is that governments take from those who have property (land, gold, money,labor) - and give it to who they feel will benefit them (government regime in office) the most. When government regimes change hands, they do the same thing - often reversing course to gain favor from the people they believe will keep them in power. Then the regime changes, and reverses course yet again. The citizens pay.
The citizens who have anything of value that can be taken for political gain or expedience are always going to be on the losing side of the equation. Rights and wrongs at the hands of government will never change, and the citizens are always the ones who pay.
The problem is that you cannot have a country - without a government.
You can change regimes, but the citizens always pay.
Always.
You purposefully misrepresented some things I had clearly written, got caught out on it by my pointing out I had already addressed it, and then decided to resort to ad hominems and childish name calling because apparently your cognitive abilities are weak and you have an intellectual deficit. I occasionally deal with people who are somewhere on a spectrum of retarded, sometimes I just deal with blue collar morons who know how to swing a hammer but don't know how to think and wouldn't know how to design the blast furnaces to make the steel to make new hammers because "engineering is for nerds" and what not, but it is okay, not all of us will be tasked to think. Society needs some knuckle-draggers to do grunt work.
It's a job needs finishing
There it is, you probably practice law and as a result you think you've expertise on everything.
You'd be useless as tits on a boar hog doing the jobs of those who deliver the necessities of your life.
In fact they do it so well it's all but invisible until it quits.
Save the condescension for the secretary.
Projection and reaching aren't good debate tactics counselor.
R
So the question comes down to which policy keeps the current regime in power?
Give the farm land to white commercial farmers that will produce enough food to feed the citizens?
Or give the farms to black farmers for reparations - but leave a large swath of the population starving?
Which solution keeps the regime in power?
Because both solutions will have people holding pitch forks and torches.
I have worked as a janitor, postal clerk, general labor, and a lab tech. I wasn't born with a law degree in my hand. Some of us wanted to do more than what our father, grandfather, and great grandfather did. Some of us didn't want to stick around and rot going nowhere in Appalachia, while others wanted to stay behind and behave like crabs in the bucket, talking trash at anybody who gets out or wants to get out.
Were you an E4 before you were invited to not re-enlist and to leave? How many JAG got you out of the messes you made for yourself?
The USA has been lost because no collection of blue collar hammer swingers will ever form the foundation for a cultural and ideological movement. There is no "right wing intellectual cultural" in the USA because anybody capable of thinking is derided as having "no real skills."
Thanks.
The best place to be is in power. If your regime falls from power, if your people fall from power, don't expect mercy from the new-comers who are arriving in power.
In short, "don't lose" is the main rule of statecraft and geo-politics.
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