Like, LabRadar dead...Now that the 22 arc is out, fair to say the Valk is is more dead than it was last week.
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Like, LabRadar dead...Now that the 22 arc is out, fair to say the Valk is is more dead than it was last week.
I don't got to war with a bolt gun as a primary. Increasing lethality in an AR15 decreases the space in my pants!But now that the 62gr ELD VT is out there's going to be a bit more attention to all the 22 cals.
I'm excited to play with these bullets, I'm invested in the Valk but not emotionally. Really I'm happy to see any 22 succeed. however, I'm not sure why we need to fit everything into a small frame AR.
As far as balance goes, these cartridges are so stinking close to perfect with speed and bullet weight. If we standardized on a bolt gun and acknowledge the AR will limit its abilities. I think the complaint department would shut down pretty quick.
Am I the only one thinking this way?
They announced 88gr ELDM in 22ARC.Doubt it dies completely, but federal hasn’t supported the cartridge as well as they should have.
Now, if Hornady releases a 22ARC load in 80eld instead of the 75’s, that may really hurt the 224valk.
They announced 88gr ELDM in 22ARC.
well I hope it work's out another choice is alway's good , But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on it to become the next golden child .Now that the 22 arc is out, fair to say the Valk is is more dead than it was last week.
Has hornady brought out any cartridges in the last decade and a half that didn’t become golden children?well I hope it work's out another choice is alway's good , But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting on it to become the next golden child .
Bro, I would walk in places and .224 Valk was the only thing on the shelves. It was marketed so shitally that people were like, WTF is that?I did see some amazing deals on ammo for 224 Valkyrie during the scamdemic, unlike all the other cartridges, so Federal was really trying to get it to stick.
Let me know when you get your first 22 ARC confirmed kill.I don't got to war with a bolt gun as a primary. Increasing lethality in an AR15 decreases the space in my pants!
22 ARC is exciting from a ballistics standpoint. I am still anticipating the 6MAX as it will fit current AR bolt faces & magazines without a reduction in capacity.
We are the most gullible marketing target since cabbage patch kids and beanie babies were around.
100%Unless Federal launches a real ad campaign and follows up with accurate and inexpensive loads, Hornady is going to bury the 224 Valkyrie with their marketing machine.
AR10 frames are significantly more expensive than ar15 frames, but that's not the issue.I suppose I should clarify.
Yes I mentioned 22creed goes in a ar10 frame. It's not like we dont all have a bunch lying around and the frames all cost the same anyways if you're buying new.
Also when I said bench. I really meant target shooting and stationary varmint hunting. and yeah i'm 100% sure i've never seen or heard of someone using a 224valk on a recce so an extra pound of weight for the frame isn't going to matter which was my point. In fact I want the extra pound.
My point stands. an extra 500fps velocity and an extremally easy cartridge to load for. You can beat around the bush all day like I did or just skip to the end and get a better performing cartridge. I've burnt though a few 224valk barrels to know that its ok but not great and adding only +100fps in a 22arc is not going to change hardly anything.
Does anyone use a 224valk for a truck gun? It may be a thing but ive never heard of it. Not that I go intentionally making threads asking people if they have a truck gun 224 valk but just scanning I've never seen in brought up.AR10 frames are significantly more expensive than ar15 frames, but that's not the issue.
They are substantially larger and heavier when built into firearms.
Using the logic that heavier is better, we should all just be shooting 300 Normas, 338 Lapuas, Cheytacs, or 50s.
Better for your uses. Not better for all uses. Some are looking for marginal gains over 223/556 while staying in a svelte package that is not burdensome to carry further than from the car to the bench.
I've got an AR10 in 308 that shoots tiny little groups, but I hate carrying the thing around- it is 11 lbs naked. I have an ar15 in 6.5 Grendel that shoots equivalent (or better) roups from a bench, has roughly equivalent flight ballistics, acceptable terminal ballistics, larger magazine capacity, and less recoil- all while being less than 11 lbs loaded and ready to hunt (scope, bipod, loaded mag, suppressor). I also have a 224Predator (more or less the 22ARC) that does the same thing.
Sure, the 22creedmoor is ballistically superior to anything that can be put into an ar15, but it can't be put into an ar15. It is better for what you want it to do. For those that get further than a few feet from the pickup, however, it might not be better for them.
Some people just don’t get it and never will.Truck gun? Instead of driving to your shooting location, throw all of your stuff into a backpack, sling your rifle over your shoulder, and hike out there. I do not understand why it is so hard to imagine that some people prefer a lightweight precision rifle for the shooting that they do. There are many that will sacrifice performance for portability and it’s not all about CQB.
Lol. You’re not really wrong, but…but, c’mon man!If Lapua, Alpha, or RWS doesn‘t make brass for it, it’s dead in my opinion.
BuT HoRnAdY iS bAD!I didn't have much luck in my 224V adventure. Found it to be finicky and not easy to tune. Also burned through a lot of brass shooting at my desired velocities.
Got rid of it all and have been shooting 6ARC now for awhile. I think the cartridge is solid and easy to tune. Plus I have consolidated calibers so that I'm down to 6mm, 6.5mm, and .308. Lots of great cartridges that shoot those caliber bullets.
I think if you are a varmint hunter, the 22ARC is going to be a great performer and bury the 224V. Hornady just seems to be able to bring a "new"cartridge to market better than anyone else.
Mag loaded higher BC projectiles than 223/5.56 is the purpose of 224V. The "best" projectile weight for 224V seems to be 80 grain high BC projectiles not the 90s that Federal seemed to push. 80s seem to offer the best package of velocity and BC. 80 ELDMs seem to be a top choice of the handloaders on the various 224V pages.I can’t speak for anyone else, but things I’m looking for in a high performance intermediate cartridge that fits in the AR-15:
1. The performance has to justify deviating from 5.56 NATO. When I ran the numbers on the common bullet weights between Valkyrie and 5.56, I just didn’t see much of a difference. Its main advantage seemed to be mag-loaded longer/higher BC target bullets for LR.
... and Federal had issues with their 90 grain loads that are still unexplained.
I have reloading dies, powder, projectiles, etc., for every gun I own. As much as I spent building my Valkyrie, I will be shooting it, and so will my Son.224 Valkiyre will die out any day now.
Mean while people still shoot .222.
Bullet: .224” Hornady 75gr ELD Match #22791Mag loaded higher BC projectiles than 223/5.56 is the purpose of 224V. The "best" projectile weight for 224V seems to be 80 grain high BC projectiles not the 90s that Federal seemed to push. 80s seem to offer the best package of velocity and BC. 80 ELDMs seem to be a top choice of the handloaders on the various 224V pages.
224V stumbled coming out the gate with "bad" reamers and Federal had issues with their 90 grain loads that are still unexplained.
People will shoot and buy what they like. Market share will determine longevity.Truck gun? Instead of driving to your shooting location, throw all of your stuff into a backpack, sling your rifle over your shoulder, and hike out there. I do not understand why it is so hard to imagine that some people prefer a lightweight precision rifle for the shooting that they do. There are many that will sacrifice performance for portability and it’s not all about CQB.
25y groups on snipershide.Bullet: .224” Hornady 75gr ELD Match #22791
Powder: 27.0 gr. Hodgdon CFE 223 (23.9 – 27.5) Tested OK. Very Accurate. No case damage. Slightly Dirty.
26.5 gr. Hodgdon H380 ball powder. 24.0 – 29.0 Tested OK. Not as accurate as CFE 223. No case damage. EXTREMELY DIRTY!
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Target is 10 rds, 25 yards. I'm 77, so I shake a bit. A younger guy could do a lot better!
The guy's almost 80, let him live a little. Hope I'll still be shooting then.25y groups on snipershide.
1" @ 25y is 4 MOA.
Same here!The guy's almost 80, let him live a little. Hope I'll still be shooting then.
I'd shoot my Valk against a Grendel any day...It got advertised by federal as the second coming of jesus himself...turns out it was just another meh round that didn't do anything better than 6.5 grendel
I have a valkyrie with a bull barrel, 2 Grendels (1 rifle, 1 carbine), 1 22 Nosler. I built them all, and I like them all for what they were intended.It got advertised by federal as the second coming of jesus himself...turns out it was just another meh round that didn't do anything better than 6.5 grendel
It got advertised by federal as the second coming of jesus himself...turns out it was just another meh round that didn't do anything better than 6.5 grendel