If what laws do is allow for punishment, they aren't really needed then are they?
Part of the reason for that is because adoption runs in the tens of thousands of dollars and an abortion is a day's wages.
That is a very poor argument. In order for that to be true one would have to argue that being aborted does not constitute "something bad" happening to them. Essentially its like saying we need to kill people so that they will not be abused or killed. Not saying that is your argument, just saying its a poor one.
In the overwhelming majority of cases, no one is forced to have sex. Nearly everyone knows pregnancy is a possible result of sex.
Including the baby's? Can't get much more ruined than being killed.
Not a concern to me at all. They're not alive, give me your memory from the womb.
Past democrats had pseudoscientific arguments of why slaves and native americans didn't really count as people and could be killed.
Odd how they can regurgitate the talking points, but when asked direct questions, they vanish like a fart in a hurricane.
Someone choosing to murder a helpless baby. Is the same as someone choosing to buy a firearm. That's top ten stupidest things I have ever seen or heard.
So, by that logic would you say anyone committing genocide is provid8ng a public service. Wait to go Hitler. I don't how many peopel those millions of jews would have made and I don't know what they would be doing right now.
We pay for the muders. The people who commit them get rich selling the body parts. Kind of reminds me of these "free" flu and Covid shots.
Also tell me the feds would be fine with me scrambling up some bald eagle egg omelets fresh from the nest. I’ll have mine with bacon, onions, and jalepeno. Tastes like freedom….
So, by that logic would you say anyone committing genocide is provid8ng a public service. Wait to go Hitler. I don't how many peopel those millions of jews would have made and I don't know what they would be doing right now.
I really don't understand why we are fascinated as a populous to argue over the crumbs? Get the government out of peoples lives and pockets. Let local/state gov. decide. We as a citizenry should have representation over ourselves..." ...by the people, for the people" This argument has devolved into "when does life begin?, killing a baby is still killing...? Move on, legalize/don't legalize, I see the issue as a deterioration of values, family, societal civility etc. Yes, there are exceptions, yes this is a complicated issue. Either you want the government to make the decision for you, give you absolution, or...take responsibility and stand up.
These what it's are getting more and more like fairy tales
From a strictly financial standpoint its pay a little now or a lot later.
We 100% agree. I guess my sarcasm in the second part of my post didn't translate very well.
I understand, and while I see the argument...It's costly both ways. Welfare expenditures have increased under Roe v Wade. Again Roe v Wade is a states rights case under the auspice of abortion. Ultimately personal responsibility is best.
These what it's are getting more and more like fairy tales
making up fairytails about where the world would be if all these mudered babies were still alive. Decrying others for talking in the hypothetical too. 
Just a few quibbles but I agree 99.9%.Waited a bit before jumping into this thread.
Overall, I oppose abortion for all the obvious reasons. For those who claim, "It's my Body!,".... well, no it's not, when you're pregnant. "Your body" is acting as a "host" to another body with an independent DNA and an independent right to life! What possible, viable reason could one have for electing (voluntarily) to abort a baby except as "Emergency backup birth control..." Unacceptable! Either learn how to do birth control right, or not at all! Stay abstinent. Those are your choices.
That said, I will tolerate abortion in very limited circumstances. First, of course, to save the life of the mother, if needed, as a last resort. Otherwise, I will tolerate it for rape/incest in limited cases, and here's why. Pregnancy is, of course, a very complex medical condition to be in. Lots of different things going on, and lots of things that can go wrong, putting the mother at risk for "life threatening" conditions (bleeding, eclampsia, pre-eclampsia, abruptio placenta, placenta previa, ectopic pregnancy, non cephalic presentations, prolapse cord, shoulder distocia,etc. etc.), many of which are in the later trimesters and after the fetus becomes viable "ex-utero." If a woman volunteers to get pregnant and have a baby, accepting those risks, the so be it. God Bless., and I hope she delivers a healthy, happy kid. Rape and Incest, by definition, are not voluntary. They are forced upon the woman. I therefore don't think it fair to force the victim of rape/incest to bring the child to term and incur those potential medical risks, if she did not make the choice to get pregnant. But, decide quickly! If she chooses to stay pregnant past the point where the fetus becomes viable "ex utero," then that child must be brought to term and delivered, the various medical risks accepted, and put up for adoption (if that's what the mother wants).
Other than that, no abortion! Either learn how to do birth control right, or learn how to stay abstinent (or learn how to start folding diapers)!
BINGO. I was thinking about this and came to a similar conclusion: why are we aborting babies here while allowing others to flood the border?Biden has come out publicly stating that our population trend is down, so some immigration is needed. So, are we now saying that those who are getting abortions are not producing productive citizens that contribute to the overall GDP? If that is so, how does it correlate that those crossing the border will? We are already giving them handouts so what is the expectation that they will contribute meaningfully over the welfare children, even though they are by and large uneducated themselves and many don't even know the language? If we are trading one uneducated and non-working person for another then the net real gain to benefit society is zero. If someone says "no, that's not what I am talking about", well is seems like someone sure as hell is. Or they are complete morons. Probably both.
You think any of those babies would be pissed about the 100 million third world people who have come across our border. While they were murdered to conserve resources.
People like you may find this amazing. Since I was little the population of Denver has grown by a couple million or so. Instead of all those people being homeless and starving more recoures were developed by peopel. Despite the government getting in thier way. Fucking shocking isn't it.
There is no personal responsibility. That has been completely eliminated.
In the rape scenario I would support whatever the victim or, in the case of the victim’s death, the victim’s family wanted.
) I'd definitely want the death penalty imposed.
In Coker v Georgia scotus ruled that executing someone convicted of rape was a violation of the 8th. They expanded that to incest in Kennedy v Louisiana, a particularly brutal case.
