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As far as I can tell from reading and watching, there is no collimation difference between Z+ and M. The Z+ manual basically says look at the M manual online for more in depth collimation instructions.
This is the internet after all - pass judgement first, then get the factsI just think its funny that everyone is passing their own judgement on something none of us have used...
@TheHortaMachine gun rated, so I'm "assuming" OK with SCAR-20S.
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It's my understanding that the SCAR 20 is the most forgiving, followed by the 17, with the 16 actually being the worst, due to it having the highest BCG velocity.I don’t think the 20 eats them quite as well as the 17.
Companies that do this are beyond gayFor the 6M we would have to provide documentation showing it’s going to a law enforcement agency or government entity. B
Want me to email them your comment? I’m sure they can translate it to German and try to be a bit less gayCompanies that do this are beyond gay
Completely agree, but be aware that Germany (and other European countries) are very strict about what can be exported for civilian end users. If the companies don’t restrict these items we don’t get anything at all.Companies that do this are beyond gay
Good point.Completely agree, but be aware that Germany (and other European countries) are very strict about what can be exported for civilian end users. If the companies don’t restrict these items we don’t get anything at all.
Testicles or reticles?? LMAOOh yeah... and the reticles are just plain STOOPID! Seriously, they’re the most simple, basic, retarded little dot/crosshairs. You’d thing there was some kind of Uber-Death-Ray-Wunder-Reticle with the way they say “Nein! Nein! Nein! It es for zee MILITARY ONLY!”
Seriously, the reticles were hand drawn in crayon by kindergartners.
Testicles or reticles?? LMAO
HAHAHAHAHASiri loves testicles.
Another question:
Thank you for the information. As far as I understand, the only difference between the 6z and the 6m then is the availability of the reticle in the 6m, and that with the 6m the picatinny mount is integral while with the 6z it. is purchased in addition. Is this correct? If so, what is the use of the reticle in this device since it is primarily to be mounted in front of the day optic. Is it in case the TigIr will be used as the primary aiming optic?
Response:
That is all correct. In fact, the TigIR-M was also primarily developed as a clip-on thermal. There is usually a scope behind it. With the crosshairs, however, it can also be used stand alone. Some military users have asked for this. Personally, I don't think it makes much sense.
Sounds like you have ten reasons to sell me the Xii!TOP 5 Reasons to buy the UTC-Xii over the TigIR-6M/Z:
1) You routinely deploy from submarines 20-meters underwater.
2) You routinely shoot critters inside of 20-yards with your $20,000 clip-on.
3) You have a Raptar-S with TracIR cable and depend upon TracIR for survival.
4) No dealing with finicky collimation.
5) Color display pallets are for non-binary, gender-fluid types and anything but WH/BH risks incurring the wrath of your personal deity.
TOP 10 REASONS to buy the TigIR-6M/Z over the UTC-Xii:
1) Save $10,000.
2) Obtanium.
3) Smaller, lighter, more compact, more features.
4) >90% (or better) the image quality of the UTC using identical scopes/magnifications.
5) Internal Mechanical Shutter / AutoNUC!
6) Flip-cover is bonkers genius design and execution.
7) Can swim with it.
8) Able to use 16650 rechargeables = NO MORE EXTERNAL BATTERY PACKS!
9) First-ever legit digital zoom clip-on!
10) A few of the LGBTQ color pallets are actually useful.
Questions:
#4. “no dealing with finicky collimation”
Is this collimated in the sense that it’s switchable from gun to gun without adjustments, or not? Factory statements like “collimated to within 1 MOA” don’t seem to jive with the need for finicky collimating.
If the screen must be “lined up” rather than optically collimated, we WILL be relying on the consistency of bridges, free float rails, and RTZ mounts, which would constitute a massive consideration in favor of the UTC for serious work...
As before, while that last statement is factually... fact, based on all prior technologies, I’m really asking the question in case there’s some new technology at work here.
#9. “digital magnification”
For observation I can see a benefit. For shooting, can you explain how that works? If I’m looking at a 2x screen in order to double my day scope magnification, doesn’t that give me a false mil scale in my day scope?
Thanks!
So how much are these? any demos available
Wouldn't it be more appropriate to hunt heffalumps and woozles with the TigIR?Well fuck, gotta start saving up for slaying swedish pigs...
Looking forward to see some pictures - just for the memes.
I wonder if the TigIR can handle quad crashes, and swamp swimming
Can you share a few pics of the mount also?
Like 55 degrees and freezing?Well, today was freezing and nasty and my tender complexion didn’t like the thought of going outside, so I chickened out. When it warms up a bit I’ll get back on it.
Rare AL opportunity to cold-wx test tigger...amirite?Nope, stayed low 30’s all day.
Need through the lens videos.
And you shall have them! Sending Tigger to Jay. He’s got @jwramp level skillz. I think we’re in for a treat!
@TheHorta can you give us an update on the collimation?
Just sharing something I do to check collimation:I sent it off to Jay / @Surgeon_Shooter at SureShot. He’ll have it today. He has the time and the Faux Toe skill set to give you what you’re all looking for. Between work, weather, and ramping up for another Kenya trip in 30 days, I’ll never get it done.
That said, while I didn’t touch the manual or zoom collimation, I did two quick 5-round groups out of the box on my SR25 and, if there was any POI shift, it was sub-MOA.