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It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
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Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
I think I'll just tell them it's a modified airsoft. It has a system in it to make the sound like a real rifle
I think I'll just tell them it's a modified airsoft. It has a system in it to make the sound like a real rifle
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">he is my sniper rifle....i know because my T shirts says so....
</div></div> You'll shoot your eye out!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">he is my sniper rifle....i know because my T shirts says so....
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
Remington VSS= Varmint Stainless Synthetic, ?PSS are not stainless?
Remington VSS= Varmint Stainless Synthetic, ?PSS are not stainless?
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pat M</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Remington VSS= Varmint Stainless Synthetic, ?PSS are not stainless?</div></div>
No, the PSS is the black oxide finish. Only the 5R has the stainless finish.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pat M</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Remington VSS= Varmint Stainless Synthetic, ?PSS are not stainless?</div></div>
No, the PSS is the black oxide finish. Only the 5R has the stainless finish.
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, i know full and damn well that my remington 700p, even though it has the "P" designator in the name is no sniper rifle. </div></div>
Does anyone know what the "P" stands for in 700P
Hint - it's not police (this was from a remington rep also) </div></div>
Don't mean to come off as a Dick, but the correct answer <span style="text-decoration: underline">is</span>: <span style="font-weight: bold">POLICE</span>, contrary to hints, speculation, rumor and even apparently ill-informed Reps. The rifle itself has been the 700P as in "700 Police" since inception. Ultimately the barrels were lengthened from 24" to 26", the twist was changed from 1-12 to 1-9 in the .223, the silly-ass lock was added to some and now I guess there is the new trigger. But it always has been the "700P" as in "Police".
BTW, just to make sure it hasn't changed in the past few months I bothered to go to the Remington LE website and sure enough Remington still sells the rifle as the "700(TM) Police".
There ain't no, in the know factory rep, kind of secret here.
On to the OPs rant...
It's already been pointed out; the 700P is the most prominently issued Police Sniper Rifle out there, with the LTR probably running second. Now there are, unfortunately, too many PC Police administrators out there who shutter at the very word "Sniper" who instead come up with silly multi-word names for their Police Snipers, "Police Designated Long Range Interdiction Specialists" or whatever. But that does not make them any less Police Snipers. If Police Snipers use the 700 Police which Remington chose to make for that very purpose, it certainly is a Sniper rifle. Just because a "civilian" (I know, I know) uses a 700 Police to bust steel @ 650 doesn't turn it into something other than what it was built as, a Sniper rifle.
I'm not a Military SAW gunner, but if I got to a world famous "Machinegun" shoot and run a belt through a collector's MINIMI, what did I just shoot, a toothbrush? It is still a belt fed, air cooled, yadayada, <span style="font-style: italic">Squad Automatic Weapon</span>, even if the squad isn't there.
I'm not a licensed pilot, but have had the opportunity to scare the hell out of a Pilot Instructor friend on several occasions in small aircraft. Just because I'm not a licensed pilot, doesn't change the fact that I was flying (some might differ here), an <span style="font-style: italic">airplane</span>.
A Military trained, equipped, designated and assigned Sniper/Observer element goes out on a mission with a grunt security element. During the course of a severe engagement both Snipers are wounded and unable to use their M40/M40A1/M40A3/M21/M24/M110 or 03A4 for that matter, whatever and they cannot be extracted immediately. Now one of the grunts, a plain old 11B/0311 grunt, happens to be a good old boy from wherever, who's hunted elk in Wyoming, but is not a Military trained, equipped, designated and assigned Sniper picks up the wounded Sniper's rifle and pops Hajji and a bunch of his buddies just across the street until QRF arrives. Did he use a "Sniper" rifle or not.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, i know full and damn well that my remington 700p, even though it has the "P" designator in the name is no sniper rifle. </div></div>
Does anyone know what the "P" stands for in 700P
Hint - it's not police (this was from a remington rep also) </div></div>
Don't mean to come off as a Dick, but the correct answer <span style="text-decoration: underline">is</span>: <span style="font-weight: bold">POLICE</span>, contrary to hints, speculation, rumor and even apparently ill-informed Reps. The rifle itself has been the 700P as in "700 Police" since inception. Ultimately the barrels were lengthened from 24" to 26", the twist was changed from 1-12 to 1-9 in the .223, the silly-ass lock was added to some and now I guess there is the new trigger. But it always has been the "700P" as in "Police".
BTW, just to make sure it hasn't changed in the past few months I bothered to go to the Remington LE website and sure enough Remington still sells the rifle as the "700(TM) Police".
There ain't no, in the know factory rep, kind of secret here.
On to the OPs rant...
It's already been pointed out; the 700P is the most prominently issued Police Sniper Rifle out there, with the LTR probably running second. Now there are, unfortunately, too many PC Police administrators out there who shutter at the very word "Sniper" who instead come up with silly multi-word names for their Police Snipers, "Police Designated Long Range Interdiction Specialists" or whatever. But that does not make them any less Police Snipers. If Police Snipers use the 700 Police which Remington chose to make for that very purpose, it certainly is a Sniper rifle. Just because a "civilian" (I know, I know) uses a 700 Police to bust steel @ 650 doesn't turn it into something other than what it was built as, a Sniper rifle.
I'm not a Military SAW gunner, but if I got to a world famous "Machinegun" shoot and run a belt through a collector's MINIMI, what did I just shoot, a toothbrush? It is still a belt fed, air cooled, yadayada, <span style="font-style: italic">Squad Automatic Weapon</span>, even if the squad isn't there.
I'm not a licensed pilot, but have had the opportunity to scare the hell out of a Pilot Instructor friend on several occasions in small aircraft. Just because I'm not a licensed pilot, doesn't change the fact that I was flying (some might differ here), an <span style="font-style: italic">airplane</span>.
A Military trained, equipped, designated and assigned Sniper/Observer element goes out on a mission with a grunt security element. During the course of a severe engagement both Snipers are wounded and unable to use their M40/M40A1/M40A3/M21/M24/M110 or 03A4 for that matter, whatever and they cannot be extracted immediately. Now one of the grunts, a plain old 11B/0311 grunt, happens to be a good old boy from wherever, who's hunted elk in Wyoming, but is not a Military trained, equipped, designated and assigned Sniper picks up the wounded Sniper's rifle and pops Hajji and a bunch of his buddies just across the street until QRF arrives. Did he use a "Sniper" rifle or not.
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
A <span style="font-weight: bold">SNIPER RIFLE</span>, in my very humble opinion, is the rifle an honest-to-God, <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">trained</span> SNIPER</span> is using as his weapon of choice.
A <span style="font-weight: bold">SNIPER RIFLE</span>, in my very humble opinion, is the rifle an honest-to-God, <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic">trained</span> SNIPER</span> is using as his weapon of choice.
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
Lots of great reply's. The world is crazy all over.
At the gunsmith college in Susanville, CA, the heavy-barrel rifle tune-up class had to be renamed to the polically-correct 'Counter-Sniper Rifle' class for the LE participants. For the civilian participants it automatically became the 'Counter-Varmint Rifle' class. The term was used as frequently as possible. And always with a chuckle.
Putting up with idiots is always more of a chore the higher you try to elevate your own performance. Pass on any help you can give. It can only help.
It's a terrible thing but half the people you meet are below average.
I'm straddling the line). DC
Lots of great reply's. The world is crazy all over.
At the gunsmith college in Susanville, CA, the heavy-barrel rifle tune-up class had to be renamed to the polically-correct 'Counter-Sniper Rifle' class for the LE participants. For the civilian participants it automatically became the 'Counter-Varmint Rifle' class. The term was used as frequently as possible. And always with a chuckle.
Putting up with idiots is always more of a chore the higher you try to elevate your own performance. Pass on any help you can give. It can only help.
It's a terrible thing but half the people you meet are below average.
I'm straddling the line). DC
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> A SNIPER RIFLE, in my very humble opinion, is the rifle an honest-to-God, trained SNIPER is using as his weapon of choice.</div></div>
Per that logic, we can phrase that like an IQ test.
Joe is an honest-to-God trained LE sniper.
Joe purchased his own Sniper Rifle (a Remington PSS)
Tim bought the exact similar setup
Tim is a civilian
Tim does not have a sniper rifle
[ ] TRUE [ ] FALSE
or
Joe is an honest-to-God trained LE sniper.
Joe purchased his own rifle (a Remington PSS)
Joe has a Sniper rifle
Tim bought the rifle from Joe a year later
Tim is a civilian
Tim does not have a sniper rifle
[ ] TRUE [ ] FALSE
I'm being facetious BTW, there is nothing wrong with your opinion either and I do understand the logic but, for me, it does not make sense that the same rifle can be a sniper rifle in one hand and not in another while it's the same thing. So I call it the same and what it <span style="text-decoration: underline">actually</span> is.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> A SNIPER RIFLE, in my very humble opinion, is the rifle an honest-to-God, trained SNIPER is using as his weapon of choice.</div></div>
Per that logic, we can phrase that like an IQ test.
Joe is an honest-to-God trained LE sniper.
Joe purchased his own Sniper Rifle (a Remington PSS)
Tim bought the exact similar setup
Tim is a civilian
Tim does not have a sniper rifle
[ ] TRUE [ ] FALSE
or
Joe is an honest-to-God trained LE sniper.
Joe purchased his own rifle (a Remington PSS)
Joe has a Sniper rifle
Tim bought the rifle from Joe a year later
Tim is a civilian
Tim does not have a sniper rifle
[ ] TRUE [ ] FALSE
I'm being facetious BTW, there is nothing wrong with your opinion either and I do understand the logic but, for me, it does not make sense that the same rifle can be a sniper rifle in one hand and not in another while it's the same thing. So I call it the same and what it <span style="text-decoration: underline">actually</span> is.
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, i know full and damn well that my remington 700p, even though it has the "P" designator in the name is no sniper rifle. </div></div>
Does anyone know what the "P" stands for in 700P
Hint - it's not police (this was from a remington rep also) </div></div>
P officially from Remington stands for - Parkerised. Never ever meant police as it's so often mistaken for! Got this right from the LEO division head at Remington. This is the BS that is holding up shipments of these across the border up here. Seems you're state dept has a bee in their bonnet about the evil rem700p.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, i know full and damn well that my remington 700p, even though it has the "P" designator in the name is no sniper rifle. </div></div>
Does anyone know what the "P" stands for in 700P
Hint - it's not police (this was from a remington rep also) </div></div>
P officially from Remington stands for - Parkerised. Never ever meant police as it's so often mistaken for! Got this right from the LEO division head at Remington. This is the BS that is holding up shipments of these across the border up here. Seems you're state dept has a bee in their bonnet about the evil rem700p.
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DesertFrog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> A SNIPER RIFLE, in my very humble opinion, is the rifle an honest-to-God, trained SNIPER is using as his weapon of choice.</div></div>
Per that logic, we can phrase that like an IQ test.
Joe is an honest-to-God trained LE sniper.
Joe purchased his own Sniper Rifle (a Remington PSS)
Tim bought the exact similar setup
Tim is a civilian
Tim does not have a sniper rifle
[ ] TRUE [ ] FALSE
or
Joe is an honest-to-God trained LE sniper.
Joe purchased his own rifle (a Remington PSS)
Joe has a Sniper rifle
Tim bought the rifle from Joe a year later
Tim is a civilian
Tim does not have a sniper rifle
[ ] TRUE [ ] FALSE</div></div>
Good point(s) DF...
Funny you use the name Joe...
Here's another one...
Joe is an honest-to-God trained LE sniper.
Joe, as a full time LE Sniper is issued a McMillan Sniper Rifle.
Joe retires after many years with that McMillan Sniper rifle and turns it in.
Joe is able to purchase that same exact issued McMillan Sniper Rifle some years later when the Department trades it away.
Joe is now a retired old fart, a very happy one with Baby back home, BUT a retired old fart none the less.
Joe now personally owns that same exact previously issued McMillan Sniper Rifle.
Joe's McMillan Sniper Rifle is still a Sniper Rifle?
[ ] TRUE [ ] FALSE
This has actually become funny...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DesertFrog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> A SNIPER RIFLE, in my very humble opinion, is the rifle an honest-to-God, trained SNIPER is using as his weapon of choice.</div></div>
Per that logic, we can phrase that like an IQ test.
Joe is an honest-to-God trained LE sniper.
Joe purchased his own Sniper Rifle (a Remington PSS)
Tim bought the exact similar setup
Tim is a civilian
Tim does not have a sniper rifle
[ ] TRUE [ ] FALSE
or
Joe is an honest-to-God trained LE sniper.
Joe purchased his own rifle (a Remington PSS)
Joe has a Sniper rifle
Tim bought the rifle from Joe a year later
Tim is a civilian
Tim does not have a sniper rifle
[ ] TRUE [ ] FALSE</div></div>
Good point(s) DF...
Funny you use the name Joe...
Here's another one...
Joe is an honest-to-God trained LE sniper.
Joe, as a full time LE Sniper is issued a McMillan Sniper Rifle.
Joe retires after many years with that McMillan Sniper rifle and turns it in.
Joe is able to purchase that same exact issued McMillan Sniper Rifle some years later when the Department trades it away.
Joe is now a retired old fart, a very happy one with Baby back home, BUT a retired old fart none the less.
Joe now personally owns that same exact previously issued McMillan Sniper Rifle.
Joe's McMillan Sniper Rifle is still a Sniper Rifle?
[ ] TRUE [ ] FALSE
This has actually become funny...
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
It is no longer a sniper rifle but it is a Snipers rifle.LOL
It is no longer a sniper rifle but it is a Snipers rifle.LOL
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DRAM40A1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is no longer a sniper rifle but it is a Snipers rifle.LOL </div></div>
Actually I would have thought it was once a "Sniper's Sniper Rifle" and now is just a "Retired Sniper's Sniper Rifle" or maybe "Retired Sniper Rifle" or just "Sniper Rifle" for short...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DRAM40A1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is no longer a sniper rifle but it is a Snipers rifle.LOL </div></div>
Actually I would have thought it was once a "Sniper's Sniper Rifle" and now is just a "Retired Sniper's Sniper Rifle" or maybe "Retired Sniper Rifle" or just "Sniper Rifle" for short...
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
I am a big Snipe hunter so I tell everyone its my Snipe rifle. Most people add an "R" to the end. It drives me NUTS!
I am a big Snipe hunter so I tell everyone its my Snipe rifle. Most people add an "R" to the end. It drives me NUTS!
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sub2.908cm/100m</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DRAM40A1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is no longer a sniper rifle but it is a Snipers rifle.LOL </div></div>
Actually I would have thought it was once a "Sniper's Sniper Rifle" and now is just a "Retired Sniper's Sniper Rifle" or maybe "Retired Sniper Rifle" or just "Sniper Rifle" for short...
</div></div>
To be a sniper rifle, a rifle must be deployed by a sniper. I have a 10-22 that I sneak up and shoot turtles with. Is it a sniper rifle?LOL
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sub2.908cm/100m</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DRAM40A1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is no longer a sniper rifle but it is a Snipers rifle.LOL </div></div>
Actually I would have thought it was once a "Sniper's Sniper Rifle" and now is just a "Retired Sniper's Sniper Rifle" or maybe "Retired Sniper Rifle" or just "Sniper Rifle" for short...
To be a sniper rifle, a rifle must be deployed by a sniper. I have a 10-22 that I sneak up and shoot turtles with. Is it a sniper rifle?LOL
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DRAM40A1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sub2.908cm/100m</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DRAM40A1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is no longer a sniper rifle but it is a Snipers rifle.LOL </div></div>
Actually I would have thought it was once a "Sniper's Sniper Rifle" and now is just a "Retired Sniper's Sniper Rifle" or maybe "Retired Sniper Rifle" or just "Sniper Rifle" for short...
</div></div>
To be a sniper rifle, a rifle must be deployed by a sniper. I have a 10-22 that I sneak up and shoot turtles with. Is it a sniper rifle?LOL </div></div>
It depends, are you a deployed Sniper AND are the turtles armed?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DRAM40A1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sub2.908cm/100m</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DRAM40A1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is no longer a sniper rifle but it is a Snipers rifle.LOL </div></div>
Actually I would have thought it was once a "Sniper's Sniper Rifle" and now is just a "Retired Sniper's Sniper Rifle" or maybe "Retired Sniper Rifle" or just "Sniper Rifle" for short...
To be a sniper rifle, a rifle must be deployed by a sniper. I have a 10-22 that I sneak up and shoot turtles with. Is it a sniper rifle?LOL </div></div>
It depends, are you a deployed Sniper AND are the turtles armed?
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 421EME</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, i know full and damn well that my remington 700p, even though it has the "P" designator in the name is no sniper rifle. </div></div>
Does anyone know what the "P" stands for in 700P
Hint - it's not police (this was from a remington rep also) </div></div>
P officially from Remington stands for - Parkerised. Never ever meant police as it's so often mistaken for! Got this right from the LEO division head at Remington. This is the BS that is holding up shipments of these across the border up here. Seems you're state dept has a bee in their bonnet about the evil rem700p. </div></div>
They've sure had everyone down here in the "lower 48" fooled for many, many years...
Pretty tricky of them there at Remington, build the first factory rifle with all the traits of a Police Sniper Rifle that according to Remington will handle tactical situations "Regardless of your mission, from close in perimeter to long range security" and it's just a parkerized rifle.
Then advertise and sell it as the <span style="font-weight: bold">"700 Police"</span> to about every LE agency of any size here in the US.
Go so far as to put <span style="font-weight: bold">"700(TM)</span> (as in Trademark) <span style="font-weight: bold">Police"</span> on all the advertisements directed at the Police market, invoices, billing documents, shipping documents, manuals, hang tags, box end labels, etc. etc. for 20+ years.
They even tricked their Armorer Instructors into calling the <span style="font-weight: bold">700P</span> the <span style="font-weight: bold">700 Police</span>.
When Internet websites get popular they even pulled the same ruse on the general public by listing the 700P under their Law Enforcement line and there calling it the <span style="font-weight: bold">"700(TM) Police"</span>, further describing is as: "The standard Model 700P features an H-S Precision® composite stock reinforced with Du Pont Kevlar and fiberglass. They'll stay dimensionally stable in any weather and under the worst tactical situations. The stock is laid up around an aircraft-grade aluminum bedding block that runs up the entire length of the receiver. It has a textured, black, non-reflective finish and comes with sling swivel studs."
All pretty good for just a plain old rifle with a black Oxide finish.
Now that USDOS wants to control "Military" equipment exports the <span style="font-weight: bold">"700TM Police"</span> becomes the "700 Parkerized"?
You believe whomever you wish my friend...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 421EME</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, i know full and damn well that my remington 700p, even though it has the "P" designator in the name is no sniper rifle. </div></div>
Does anyone know what the "P" stands for in 700P
Hint - it's not police (this was from a remington rep also) </div></div>
P officially from Remington stands for - Parkerised. Never ever meant police as it's so often mistaken for! Got this right from the LEO division head at Remington. This is the BS that is holding up shipments of these across the border up here. Seems you're state dept has a bee in their bonnet about the evil rem700p. </div></div>
They've sure had everyone down here in the "lower 48" fooled for many, many years...
Pretty tricky of them there at Remington, build the first factory rifle with all the traits of a Police Sniper Rifle that according to Remington will handle tactical situations "Regardless of your mission, from close in perimeter to long range security" and it's just a parkerized rifle.
Then advertise and sell it as the <span style="font-weight: bold">"700 Police"</span> to about every LE agency of any size here in the US.
Go so far as to put <span style="font-weight: bold">"700(TM)</span> (as in Trademark) <span style="font-weight: bold">Police"</span> on all the advertisements directed at the Police market, invoices, billing documents, shipping documents, manuals, hang tags, box end labels, etc. etc. for 20+ years.
They even tricked their Armorer Instructors into calling the <span style="font-weight: bold">700P</span> the <span style="font-weight: bold">700 Police</span>.
When Internet websites get popular they even pulled the same ruse on the general public by listing the 700P under their Law Enforcement line and there calling it the <span style="font-weight: bold">"700(TM) Police"</span>, further describing is as: "The standard Model 700P features an H-S Precision® composite stock reinforced with Du Pont Kevlar and fiberglass. They'll stay dimensionally stable in any weather and under the worst tactical situations. The stock is laid up around an aircraft-grade aluminum bedding block that runs up the entire length of the receiver. It has a textured, black, non-reflective finish and comes with sling swivel studs."
All pretty good for just a plain old rifle with a black Oxide finish.
Now that USDOS wants to control "Military" equipment exports the <span style="font-weight: bold">"700TM Police"</span> becomes the "700 Parkerized"?
You believe whomever you wish my friend...
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
I would probably just say "thanks" if it happened to me but people don't normally say much to me because of the way I look...its pretty blissful most of the time
I would probably just say "thanks" if it happened to me but people don't normally say much to me because of the way I look...its pretty blissful most of the time
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
a Sniper Rifle is a rifle designed to take out human targets at great distance. i own a 700p but use it as a hunting rifle but its still a sniper rifle.
a Sniper Rifle is a rifle designed to take out human targets at great distance. i own a 700p but use it as a hunting rifle but its still a sniper rifle.
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 421EME</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, i know full and damn well that my remington 700p, even though it has the "P" designator in the name is no sniper rifle. </div></div>
Does anyone know what the "P" stands for in 700P
Hint - it's not police (this was from a remington rep also) </div></div>
P officially from Remington stands for - Parkerised. Never ever meant police as it's so often mistaken for! Got this right from the LEO division head at Remington. This is the BS that is holding up shipments of these across the border up here. Seems you're state dept has a bee in their bonnet about the evil rem700p. </div></div>
Ok, guys are visual creatures right? I wonder if a few photo's will dissuade my friend from the great frozen north from the statement "Never ever meant police as it's so often mistaken for!"?
These are scans of the box end labels for 2 different 20 year old <span style="font-weight: bold">"MODEL 700TM POLICE PSS"</span> rifles I personally bought brand new.
Not convinced? How about the hang tags for the same 2 <span style="font-weight: bold">"MODEL 700TM POLICE PSS"</span> rifles?
Ok, this'll have to do it. Copy of "Instruction Book Model 700 Bolt Action, Center Fire Rifle", "Model 700 - Parts List". Parts are listed as "Basic 30-06", then "Additional Calibers" and finally specific 700 Models; "Model 700 Varmint", "Model 700 "Classic"", "Model 700 Mountain Rifle", "Model 700 Left Hand" and YES, <span style="font-weight: bold">"Model 700 POLICE"</span>. There are no other listings, nope, no Model 700 Parkerized.
Now this is a 20 year old Instruction Book, but if you go to the Remington LE website (posted coincidently by another friend from the great frozen north who also apparently believes 700P stands for Parkerized, but who also believes it first stood for Police-are ya'll related?) and look up the variants of the Model 700, you'll find the following; "All our standard Model 700 Police rifles have heavy, free-floating 26" barrels crowned at the muzzle for unparalleled accuracy and stability.". When you select 700P you'll notice a complete absence of 700P as in Parkerized, but as already pointed out you will find the 700P still listed, 20 years later, specifically as the <span style="font-weight: bold">"Model 700 Police"</span>.
Fair enough?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 421EME</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, i know full and damn well that my remington 700p, even though it has the "P" designator in the name is no sniper rifle. </div></div>
Does anyone know what the "P" stands for in 700P
Hint - it's not police (this was from a remington rep also) </div></div>
P officially from Remington stands for - Parkerised. Never ever meant police as it's so often mistaken for! Got this right from the LEO division head at Remington. This is the BS that is holding up shipments of these across the border up here. Seems you're state dept has a bee in their bonnet about the evil rem700p. </div></div>
Ok, guys are visual creatures right? I wonder if a few photo's will dissuade my friend from the great frozen north from the statement "Never ever meant police as it's so often mistaken for!"?
These are scans of the box end labels for 2 different 20 year old <span style="font-weight: bold">"MODEL 700TM POLICE PSS"</span> rifles I personally bought brand new.
Not convinced? How about the hang tags for the same 2 <span style="font-weight: bold">"MODEL 700TM POLICE PSS"</span> rifles?
Ok, this'll have to do it. Copy of "Instruction Book Model 700 Bolt Action, Center Fire Rifle", "Model 700 - Parts List". Parts are listed as "Basic 30-06", then "Additional Calibers" and finally specific 700 Models; "Model 700 Varmint", "Model 700 "Classic"", "Model 700 Mountain Rifle", "Model 700 Left Hand" and YES, <span style="font-weight: bold">"Model 700 POLICE"</span>. There are no other listings, nope, no Model 700 Parkerized.
Now this is a 20 year old Instruction Book, but if you go to the Remington LE website (posted coincidently by another friend from the great frozen north who also apparently believes 700P stands for Parkerized, but who also believes it first stood for Police-are ya'll related?) and look up the variants of the Model 700, you'll find the following; "All our standard Model 700 Police rifles have heavy, free-floating 26" barrels crowned at the muzzle for unparalleled accuracy and stability.". When you select 700P you'll notice a complete absence of 700P as in Parkerized, but as already pointed out you will find the 700P still listed, 20 years later, specifically as the <span style="font-weight: bold">"Model 700 Police"</span>.
Fair enough?
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Ok, not to add fuel to the Police vs. Parkerized debate here...but doesn't Rem refer to the finish on these guns as "black oxide" anyway? I mean, if you were going to name your gun "Parkerized" then wouldn't you also list the finish as "parkerized"?
Ok, not to add fuel to the Police vs. Parkerized debate here...but doesn't Rem refer to the finish on these guns as "black oxide" anyway? I mean, if you were going to name your gun "Parkerized" then wouldn't you also list the finish as "parkerized"?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">finally the last time he repeated himself I stopped in mid Aim and told him "it's not a sniper rifle, it's a tactical precision long-range shooting instrument" </div></div>
I would say you handled the situation completely wrong IMO and here is why:
1. You got upset with him because he stereotyped your rifle in which his education more than likely come from the media YET when you "corrected" him you actually used another media spouted stereotype.
2. Just as your rifle is not a "sniper" rifle due to its user and usage...you rifle is not "tactical" rifle. Sniper is the operator while tactical is a type of operation.
3. You should not complain and rant against one media induced stereotype YET you follow another media induced stereotype when you were trying to "educate" someone.
Thanks
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">finally the last time he repeated himself I stopped in mid Aim and told him "it's not a sniper rifle, it's a tactical precision long-range shooting instrument" </div></div>
I would say you handled the situation completely wrong IMO and here is why:
1. You got upset with him because he stereotyped your rifle in which his education more than likely come from the media YET when you "corrected" him you actually used another media spouted stereotype.
2. Just as your rifle is not a "sniper" rifle due to its user and usage...you rifle is not "tactical" rifle. Sniper is the operator while tactical is a type of operation.
3. You should not complain and rant against one media induced stereotype YET you follow another media induced stereotype when you were trying to "educate" someone.
Thanks
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">he is my sniper rifle....i know because my T shirts says so....
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You must have attended the super sniper air rifle school! I went back wayyyy back in 1985 a few years after I was born and have been a sniper ever since. I really honed my skills after I saw the movie Sniper and Shooter. I built a ghillie suit and am the greatest sniper that ever lived. I also play air soft and buy look alike tactical equipment and am so elite when I throw my gear on. I hate paintball gunner's; I mean they think they are so elite when they wear clothes that are not even camoflaged.
http://www.spike.com/video/fat-kid-gets-hit/2721749?cid=YSSP
Lw
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">he is my sniper rifle....i know because my T shirts says so....
You must have attended the super sniper air rifle school! I went back wayyyy back in 1985 a few years after I was born and have been a sniper ever since. I really honed my skills after I saw the movie Sniper and Shooter. I built a ghillie suit and am the greatest sniper that ever lived. I also play air soft and buy look alike tactical equipment and am so elite when I throw my gear on. I hate paintball gunner's; I mean they think they are so elite when they wear clothes that are not even camoflaged.
http://www.spike.com/video/fat-kid-gets-hit/2721749?cid=YSSP
Lw
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don't be hate'n...thats a shirt off a prize table.....super sniper scopes are sold through SWFA....they are very snipery
don't be hate'n...thats a shirt off a prize table.....super sniper scopes are sold through SWFA....they are very snipery
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What has happened here? Did a sniper shoot the Deer or a hunter?
Was it shot with a Sniper or a hunting rifle.
How would the Deer vote? What about the deers liberal friends,How do they see the unjust slaughter from an extreame distance.
We probably dont want to speak on the past coyotes Views on this setup!
What has happened here? Did a sniper shoot the Deer or a hunter?
Was it shot with a Sniper or a hunting rifle.
How would the Deer vote? What about the deers liberal friends,How do they see the unjust slaughter from an extreame distance.
We probably dont want to speak on the past coyotes Views on this setup!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 421EME</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
P officially from Remington stands for - Parkerised. Never ever meant police as it's so often mistaken for! Got this right from the LEO division head at Remington. This is the BS that is holding up shipments of these across the border up here. Seems you're state dept has a bee in their bonnet about the evil rem700p. </div></div>
If it didn't stand for 'Police' then they wouldn't have put it on the box...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 421EME</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
P officially from Remington stands for - Parkerised. Never ever meant police as it's so often mistaken for! Got this right from the LEO division head at Remington. This is the BS that is holding up shipments of these across the border up here. Seems you're state dept has a bee in their bonnet about the evil rem700p. </div></div>
If it didn't stand for 'Police' then they wouldn't have put it on the box...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon Lester</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What has happened here? Did a sniper shoot the Deer or a hunter?
Was it shot with a Sniper or a hunting rifle.
How would the Deer vote? What about the deers liberal friends,How do they see the unjust slaughter from an extreame distance.
We probably dont want to speak on the past coyotes Views on this setup!
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um.... you hunt deer with a suppressor?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon Lester</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What has happened here? Did a sniper shoot the Deer or a hunter?
Was it shot with a Sniper or a hunting rifle.
How would the Deer vote? What about the deers liberal friends,How do they see the unjust slaughter from an extreame distance.
We probably dont want to speak on the past coyotes Views on this setup!
um.... you hunt deer with a suppressor?
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I do too- some states aren't as anti-gun as Texas
, it's legal here.
eta: It's one of the most legitimate uses of a suppressor I can think of. It's not practical to wear ear protection while hunting, and the suppressor keeps you from losing your hearing.
I do too- some states aren't as anti-gun as Texas
eta: It's one of the most legitimate uses of a suppressor I can think of. It's not practical to wear ear protection while hunting, and the suppressor keeps you from losing your hearing.
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I can't believe our lil ole east coast states allows it and Tx doesn't. I thought you guys were the center of the shooting world
I can't believe our lil ole east coast states allows it and Tx doesn't. I thought you guys were the center of the shooting world
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A friend gave me a hat once, that said 'Sniper'. I couldn't bring myself to wear it after he went home. I was being polite, and I wore it when he was here because I knew he meant well and I didn't want to hurt his feelings, but I felt uncomfortable the whole time I had it on.
Personally, I don't see myself as a self appointed corrector of idiots. Nomeclature is such a nebulous thing. One man's LR Match Rifle is another man's Sniper Rifle. Who's wrong, who's right, is there a 'right'? I sure'n hell don't know.
Anything I plan to walk around carrying isn't going to conform to any conventional Sniper Rifle definition, as understood here.
It's a lot more likely to resemble the .30-'06 scoped hunting rifle that Carlos reputedly got at the PX and plied his trade with initially. In fact that's pretty danged close to what I do use out in the field.
Works great for hunting with commercial hunting ammo, and for more precise work, it does pretty respectable with MatchKing handloads.
Does this qualify me as a Sniper, or my rifle as a Sniper Rifle. Don't know, don't care, call us what you like; just please do it where it doesn't distract me from my shooting.
Greg
A friend gave me a hat once, that said 'Sniper'. I couldn't bring myself to wear it after he went home. I was being polite, and I wore it when he was here because I knew he meant well and I didn't want to hurt his feelings, but I felt uncomfortable the whole time I had it on.
Personally, I don't see myself as a self appointed corrector of idiots. Nomeclature is such a nebulous thing. One man's LR Match Rifle is another man's Sniper Rifle. Who's wrong, who's right, is there a 'right'? I sure'n hell don't know.
Anything I plan to walk around carrying isn't going to conform to any conventional Sniper Rifle definition, as understood here.
It's a lot more likely to resemble the .30-'06 scoped hunting rifle that Carlos reputedly got at the PX and plied his trade with initially. In fact that's pretty danged close to what I do use out in the field.
Works great for hunting with commercial hunting ammo, and for more precise work, it does pretty respectable with MatchKing handloads.
Does this qualify me as a Sniper, or my rifle as a Sniper Rifle. Don't know, don't care, call us what you like; just please do it where it doesn't distract me from my shooting.
Greg
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This is actually kind of humorous.
Do I get irritated when ignorant people try to label things they don't understand? Sure. It happens in many pursuits.
I overheard an old lady and her man standing in Gander Mtn. a couple months back. She was looking at the AR-50 on the table. She was horrified that anyone would need a rifle like that. I couldn't resist. My response was "because I can". She went on with the "what purpose" and my response was what purpose do 90% of the full size SUV's on the road serve when they only carry two or three people? I told her it's a hobby and asked her if she had any hobbies. She told be her hobbies didn't kill anyone. She just couldn't wrap her brain around it. The old guy was shaking his head and I got the impression that she would argue until the cows came home. I just walked away happy that my son understood the exchange and my views on it.
Why did I tell that story? Because once people label something in their mind, good luck changing it.
My Remington 700 is setup to be able to engage man sized targets from 50 to 1000 yards. Every modification to it enhances the end goal. It is not a target rifle except for the fact that most of the time the trigger is pulled, it's pointing at paper or steel targets. It's not a competition rifle except for the fact that it will be used in competition this year. It's not a tactical rifle except that it's designed to be used in combat. It's not a sniper rifle except for the fact that it's being used by a trained sniper.
So what it is?
This is my RIFLE. There are many like it, but this one is mine......
When people ask what it is, it's a rifle. If they want more information, then it's a Remington 700 in .308. If they want to call it a Sniper Rifle I may redirect the conversation just because I don't feel like answering more questions from someone who has seen too many movies. I am usually happy to let people handle, look over, or get down behind my rifle. I don't let their preconceived notions bother me.
Every once in awhile you will catch me at the range in one of my old "Sniper" t-shirts. I have a bunch of platoon t's a sweet hooded Sweatshirt that my platoon made up that says "MARINE SNIPER" in block letters on the back and has our platoon logo on the front and I have a couple of 7.62mm Design T's with Marine Sniper themes. I am too old to give a Rat's Ass what anyone thinks about my t-shirts.
Just my $0.02
This is actually kind of humorous.
Do I get irritated when ignorant people try to label things they don't understand? Sure. It happens in many pursuits.
I overheard an old lady and her man standing in Gander Mtn. a couple months back. She was looking at the AR-50 on the table. She was horrified that anyone would need a rifle like that. I couldn't resist. My response was "because I can". She went on with the "what purpose" and my response was what purpose do 90% of the full size SUV's on the road serve when they only carry two or three people? I told her it's a hobby and asked her if she had any hobbies. She told be her hobbies didn't kill anyone. She just couldn't wrap her brain around it. The old guy was shaking his head and I got the impression that she would argue until the cows came home. I just walked away happy that my son understood the exchange and my views on it.
Why did I tell that story? Because once people label something in their mind, good luck changing it.
My Remington 700 is setup to be able to engage man sized targets from 50 to 1000 yards. Every modification to it enhances the end goal. It is not a target rifle except for the fact that most of the time the trigger is pulled, it's pointing at paper or steel targets. It's not a competition rifle except for the fact that it will be used in competition this year. It's not a tactical rifle except that it's designed to be used in combat. It's not a sniper rifle except for the fact that it's being used by a trained sniper.
So what it is?
This is my RIFLE. There are many like it, but this one is mine......
When people ask what it is, it's a rifle. If they want more information, then it's a Remington 700 in .308. If they want to call it a Sniper Rifle I may redirect the conversation just because I don't feel like answering more questions from someone who has seen too many movies. I am usually happy to let people handle, look over, or get down behind my rifle. I don't let their preconceived notions bother me.
Every once in awhile you will catch me at the range in one of my old "Sniper" t-shirts. I have a bunch of platoon t's a sweet hooded Sweatshirt that my platoon made up that says "MARINE SNIPER" in block letters on the back and has our platoon logo on the front and I have a couple of 7.62mm Design T's with Marine Sniper themes. I am too old to give a Rat's Ass what anyone thinks about my t-shirts.
Just my $0.02
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am too old to give a Rat's Ass what anyone thinks about my t-shirts.</div></div>
The number of people whose opinion of me I care about declines every year.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am too old to give a Rat's Ass what anyone thinks about my t-shirts.</div></div>
The number of people whose opinion of me I care about declines every year.
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There have been valid points brought up by several people here. In the end I would have to say though that Sub2.9 has a pretty good thought process as far as I am concerned, and Desert Frog as well.
For "sniper's rifle" being an option: I am a trained sniper with the ASI of B4 and used to fill a sniper position in my unit. I have many rifles, not all of them "sniper rifles" but they would all in fact be (or at least at one point were) a sniper's rifles. Therefore the issue of who it belongs/belonged to is not the deciding factor for names. Glad we can put that one to rest at least.
While it would be difficult at best to come up with a clear-cut example of what a "sniper rifle" is we all know traits that are fairly common to the type. Often a bolt gun, sometimes semi-auto. Often with a heavier contour barrel than a typical hunting rifle but not always (think PSG-1). Usually with a scope of 10 power magnification or higher but once again not always. And usually with a synthetic stock instead of wood. Sound about right? Obviously it helps if some military or law enforcement agency actually uses the specific type as "sniper rifles" or "counter-sniper rifles" as some agencies refer to their shooters now. It gets under my skin when I hear a non-sniper refer to his rifle as a sniper rifle just because it has a scope and I know damn well he isn't a sniper. In the end though, if it was a rifle set up like 95% of the ones we see here on the Hide and he wanted to call it a sniper rifle fine, just so long as he doesn't claim to have training that he doesn't.
So how about we stop trying to appease the gun-banners by playing semantics with ourselves and trying to make our rifles sound less scary? They are what they are and the banners don't want us to have them regardless of what name they carry. Unless you are going to cover your rifle with pink fur and call it the "Energizer Bunny boomstick"; then feel free to post pictures so we can all get a laugh.
As for the OPs issue, I see your point but I think you probably went about things the wrong way. The guy who went out of his way 6 times to compliment you on your "sniper rifle" probably just thought you had a kick-ass rifle. Maybe he was hoping you would let him put a couple rounds through it to give him a thrill and something he would always remember. Instead your reaction probably put him off to everyone who comes around with that type of weapon system. Until someone with what he considers a "sniper rifle" is nice to him and proves we aren't all rude all of the time that is the impression he is going to have. At times like this, we need all the help we can get. JMHO
There have been valid points brought up by several people here. In the end I would have to say though that Sub2.9 has a pretty good thought process as far as I am concerned, and Desert Frog as well.
For "sniper's rifle" being an option: I am a trained sniper with the ASI of B4 and used to fill a sniper position in my unit. I have many rifles, not all of them "sniper rifles" but they would all in fact be (or at least at one point were) a sniper's rifles. Therefore the issue of who it belongs/belonged to is not the deciding factor for names. Glad we can put that one to rest at least.
While it would be difficult at best to come up with a clear-cut example of what a "sniper rifle" is we all know traits that are fairly common to the type. Often a bolt gun, sometimes semi-auto. Often with a heavier contour barrel than a typical hunting rifle but not always (think PSG-1). Usually with a scope of 10 power magnification or higher but once again not always. And usually with a synthetic stock instead of wood. Sound about right? Obviously it helps if some military or law enforcement agency actually uses the specific type as "sniper rifles" or "counter-sniper rifles" as some agencies refer to their shooters now. It gets under my skin when I hear a non-sniper refer to his rifle as a sniper rifle just because it has a scope and I know damn well he isn't a sniper. In the end though, if it was a rifle set up like 95% of the ones we see here on the Hide and he wanted to call it a sniper rifle fine, just so long as he doesn't claim to have training that he doesn't.
So how about we stop trying to appease the gun-banners by playing semantics with ourselves and trying to make our rifles sound less scary? They are what they are and the banners don't want us to have them regardless of what name they carry. Unless you are going to cover your rifle with pink fur and call it the "Energizer Bunny boomstick"; then feel free to post pictures so we can all get a laugh.
As for the OPs issue, I see your point but I think you probably went about things the wrong way. The guy who went out of his way 6 times to compliment you on your "sniper rifle" probably just thought you had a kick-ass rifle. Maybe he was hoping you would let him put a couple rounds through it to give him a thrill and something he would always remember. Instead your reaction probably put him off to everyone who comes around with that type of weapon system. Until someone with what he considers a "sniper rifle" is nice to him and proves we aren't all rude all of the time that is the impression he is going to have. At times like this, we need all the help we can get. JMHO
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Energizer Bunny Boomstick...
Hey, I like that...
Maybe I'll make one up for my Granddaughter...
Currently seeking Pink Krylon...
Greg
Energizer Bunny Boomstick...
Hey, I like that...
Maybe I'll make one up for my Granddaughter...
Currently seeking Pink Krylon...
Greg
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon Lester</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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So... did you do a full shoulder mount or a European mount on that big boy?
j/k
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon Lester</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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So... did you do a full shoulder mount or a European mount on that big boy?
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This was NOT a taxidermy event at all.Did manage ba decent 9 pt but with 8mounts +2 europeans were about full
This was NOT a taxidermy event at all.Did manage ba decent 9 pt but with 8mounts +2 europeans were about full
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Truly, any hunter "snipes" prey. In some cases it's a deer with a supressor and in others it's a threat who's head can be made a nice pink mist and not recovered. Fact is a weapon is a weapon. Some just snipe targets for sport/hobby, yes?
Truly, any hunter "snipes" prey. In some cases it's a deer with a supressor and in others it's a threat who's head can be made a nice pink mist and not recovered. Fact is a weapon is a weapon. Some just snipe targets for sport/hobby, yes?
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From the Remington law enforcement division......
"The Model 700P Tactical Weapon Systems (TWS) features a composite stock reinforced with Du Pont Kevlar and fiberglass. They'll stay dimensionally stable in any weather and under the worst tactical situations. The stock is laid up around an aircraft-grade aluminum bedding block that runs up the entire length of the receiver. It has a textured, black, non-reflective finish and comes with sling swivel studs."
directly below this quote is a photo of the rifle with the caption " 700 Police TWS"
formerly the police sniper system it has been shortened to police.
From the Remington law enforcement division......
"The Model 700P Tactical Weapon Systems (TWS) features a composite stock reinforced with Du Pont Kevlar and fiberglass. They'll stay dimensionally stable in any weather and under the worst tactical situations. The stock is laid up around an aircraft-grade aluminum bedding block that runs up the entire length of the receiver. It has a textured, black, non-reflective finish and comes with sling swivel studs."
directly below this quote is a photo of the rifle with the caption " 700 Police TWS"
formerly the police sniper system it has been shortened to police.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sub2.908cm/100m</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 421EME</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, i know full and damn well that my remington 700p, even though it has the "P" designator in the name is no sniper rifle. </div></div>
Does anyone know what the "P" stands for in 700P
Hint - it's not police (this was from a remington rep also) </div></div>
P officially from Remington stands for - Parkerised. Never ever meant police as it's so often mistaken for! Got this right from the LEO division head at Remington. This is the BS that is holding up shipments of these across the border up here. Seems you're state dept has a bee in their bonnet about the evil rem700p. </div></div>
Ok, guys are visual creatures right? I wonder if a few photo's will dissuade my friend from the great frozen north from the statement "Never ever meant police as it's so often mistaken for!"?
These are scans of the box end labels for 2 different 20 year old <span style="font-weight: bold">"MODEL 700TM POLICE PSS"</span> rifles I personally bought brand new.
Not convinced? How about the hang tags for the same 2 <span style="font-weight: bold">"MODEL 700TM POLICE PSS"</span> rifles?
Ok, this'll have to do it. Copy of "Instruction Book Model 700 Bolt Action, Center Fire Rifle", "Model 700 - Parts List". Parts are listed as "Basic 30-06", then "Additional Calibers" and finally specific 700 Models; "Model 700 Varmint", "Model 700 "Classic"", "Model 700 Mountain Rifle", "Model 700 Left Hand" and YES, <span style="font-weight: bold">"Model 700 POLICE"</span>. There are no other listings, nope, no Model 700 Parkerized.
Now this is a 20 year old Instruction Book, but if you go to the Remington LE website (posted coincidently by another friend from the great frozen north who also apparently believes 700P stands for Parkerized, but who also believes it first stood for Police-are ya'll related?) and look up the variants of the Model 700, you'll find the following; "All our standard Model 700 Police rifles have heavy, free-floating 26" barrels crowned at the muzzle for unparalleled accuracy and stability.". When you select 700P you'll notice a complete absence of 700P as in Parkerized, but as already pointed out you will find the 700P still listed, 20 years later, specifically as the <span style="font-weight: bold">"Model 700 Police"</span>.
Fair enough?
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This is hilarious. Anyone with two eyes can see you used a sharpie to cover up the word "parkerized" on those labels, and photoshopped it out on the other. This entire debate has been good fun. I have seen the word obsession in some posts but I really had no idea. My opinion is that if you have ever seen a rifle in your life, or known someone in law enforcement or the military, or watched a movie about a rifle or someone that used it, you are a sniper, and if someone were to ask you I think you should just admit it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sub2.908cm/100m</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 421EME</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, i know full and damn well that my remington 700p, even though it has the "P" designator in the name is no sniper rifle. </div></div>
Does anyone know what the "P" stands for in 700P
Hint - it's not police (this was from a remington rep also) </div></div>
P officially from Remington stands for - Parkerised. Never ever meant police as it's so often mistaken for! Got this right from the LEO division head at Remington. This is the BS that is holding up shipments of these across the border up here. Seems you're state dept has a bee in their bonnet about the evil rem700p. </div></div>
Ok, guys are visual creatures right? I wonder if a few photo's will dissuade my friend from the great frozen north from the statement "Never ever meant police as it's so often mistaken for!"?
These are scans of the box end labels for 2 different 20 year old <span style="font-weight: bold">"MODEL 700TM POLICE PSS"</span> rifles I personally bought brand new.
Not convinced? How about the hang tags for the same 2 <span style="font-weight: bold">"MODEL 700TM POLICE PSS"</span> rifles?
Ok, this'll have to do it. Copy of "Instruction Book Model 700 Bolt Action, Center Fire Rifle", "Model 700 - Parts List". Parts are listed as "Basic 30-06", then "Additional Calibers" and finally specific 700 Models; "Model 700 Varmint", "Model 700 "Classic"", "Model 700 Mountain Rifle", "Model 700 Left Hand" and YES, <span style="font-weight: bold">"Model 700 POLICE"</span>. There are no other listings, nope, no Model 700 Parkerized.
Now this is a 20 year old Instruction Book, but if you go to the Remington LE website (posted coincidently by another friend from the great frozen north who also apparently believes 700P stands for Parkerized, but who also believes it first stood for Police-are ya'll related?) and look up the variants of the Model 700, you'll find the following; "All our standard Model 700 Police rifles have heavy, free-floating 26" barrels crowned at the muzzle for unparalleled accuracy and stability.". When you select 700P you'll notice a complete absence of 700P as in Parkerized, but as already pointed out you will find the 700P still listed, 20 years later, specifically as the <span style="font-weight: bold">"Model 700 Police"</span>.
Fair enough?
This is hilarious. Anyone with two eyes can see you used a sharpie to cover up the word "parkerized" on those labels, and photoshopped it out on the other. This entire debate has been good fun. I have seen the word obsession in some posts but I really had no idea. My opinion is that if you have ever seen a rifle in your life, or known someone in law enforcement or the military, or watched a movie about a rifle or someone that used it, you are a sniper, and if someone were to ask you I think you should just admit it.
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
Not sure who coined the term into popularity but the use of "practical" in substitution of other simular overused verbage sets well with me when relating description.
Call it a magic wand; doesn't change anything. Success or failure always applies.
Not sure who coined the term into popularity but the use of "practical" in substitution of other simular overused verbage sets well with me when relating description.
Call it a magic wand; doesn't change anything. Success or failure always applies.
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, I went to the range the other day, and i guess they have a new range officer, but during the hour and a half that i was there he came up to me no less than 6 time saying "hey that's a nice sniper rifle". now I don't know about any of you guys but do you consider any of your rifles "sniper rifles". i know full and damn well that my remington 700p, even though it has the "P" designator in the name is no sniper rifle. I mean is the bandwagon so large that any scope rifle is considered a "sniper rifle". Should i also add that in no way shape or form would i ever have the balls to call my self a sniper, just because i know those guys go through alot to EARN that name. finally the last time he repeated himself I stopped in mid Aim and told him "it's not a sniper rifle, it's a tactical precision long-range shooting instrument" and he kind of flinched at every word, but it shut him up. I know that I'm not the only one that thinks this way </div></div>
Maybe he kept commenting on your rifle because maybe he really thought it was cool? I wasn't there so I don't know what his intentions were. He may have been hinting that he'd like to shoot such a cool rig?
In any event this would have been a GREAT opportunity for you to educate him and also let him shoot a few rounds down range.
While doing so this would be the time to explain that being called a "Sniper/Special Weapons team member/Counter-Sniper" is a earned and coveted title. Those shooters shoot Sniper Rifles because THEY are snipers or perform over watch duties etc..
I have no problems with the term personally,but I can also see the negative connotation. I also don't like to give into "I can't call it a Sniper Rifle because it scares the public". It gets to a point where it just gets silly and then there is a big back lash from it.
Let him know you don't consider yourself a sniper and therefore don't consider your rifle to be a sniper rifle even though it may be the the type of rifle that is used by one.
Try and not to get to upset about it. Even the manufacturers jump on the band wagon and market,name,bill and build them to look like or actually be just like sniper rifles even though maybe 1%(?) are actually deployed in that manner.
This may have bee a lost opportunity to get another person educated and possibly into the fold?
One of my closest childhood friend found his ass on the ground the first time I meet him after he made fun of my sister at a local ice skating pond. Turned out he really wasn't that bad of a person after I actually got to know him.
It's better to have friends than to push people away or worse have enemies in this world.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, I went to the range the other day, and i guess they have a new range officer, but during the hour and a half that i was there he came up to me no less than 6 time saying "hey that's a nice sniper rifle". now I don't know about any of you guys but do you consider any of your rifles "sniper rifles". i know full and damn well that my remington 700p, even though it has the "P" designator in the name is no sniper rifle. I mean is the bandwagon so large that any scope rifle is considered a "sniper rifle". Should i also add that in no way shape or form would i ever have the balls to call my self a sniper, just because i know those guys go through alot to EARN that name. finally the last time he repeated himself I stopped in mid Aim and told him "it's not a sniper rifle, it's a tactical precision long-range shooting instrument" and he kind of flinched at every word, but it shut him up. I know that I'm not the only one that thinks this way </div></div>
Maybe he kept commenting on your rifle because maybe he really thought it was cool? I wasn't there so I don't know what his intentions were. He may have been hinting that he'd like to shoot such a cool rig?
In any event this would have been a GREAT opportunity for you to educate him and also let him shoot a few rounds down range.
While doing so this would be the time to explain that being called a "Sniper/Special Weapons team member/Counter-Sniper" is a earned and coveted title. Those shooters shoot Sniper Rifles because THEY are snipers or perform over watch duties etc..
I have no problems with the term personally,but I can also see the negative connotation. I also don't like to give into "I can't call it a Sniper Rifle because it scares the public". It gets to a point where it just gets silly and then there is a big back lash from it.
Let him know you don't consider yourself a sniper and therefore don't consider your rifle to be a sniper rifle even though it may be the the type of rifle that is used by one.
Try and not to get to upset about it. Even the manufacturers jump on the band wagon and market,name,bill and build them to look like or actually be just like sniper rifles even though maybe 1%(?) are actually deployed in that manner.
This may have bee a lost opportunity to get another person educated and possibly into the fold?
One of my closest childhood friend found his ass on the ground the first time I meet him after he made fun of my sister at a local ice skating pond. Turned out he really wasn't that bad of a person after I actually got to know him.
It's better to have friends than to push people away or worse have enemies in this world.
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
i am a sniper and this is the way i see it.
because i hunt people for a living, doesnt make the rifle i own/built a sniper rifle. the weapons i use at work, those are sniper rifles. simply put, i have a .308 bolt gun.
i am a sniper and this is the way i see it.
because i hunt people for a living, doesnt make the rifle i own/built a sniper rifle. the weapons i use at work, those are sniper rifles. simply put, i have a .308 bolt gun.
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the0700</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i am a sniper and this is the way i see it.
because i hunt people for a living, doesnt make the rifle i own/built a sniper rifle. the weapons i use at work, those are sniper rifles. simply put, i have a .308 bolt gun.</div></div> WOW!!! So... Exactly how often are you out "hunting people for a living"???... And who was the last one??? Or would you have to kill me if you told me.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the0700</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i am a sniper and this is the way i see it.
because i hunt people for a living, doesnt make the rifle i own/built a sniper rifle. the weapons i use at work, those are sniper rifles. simply put, i have a .308 bolt gun.</div></div> WOW!!! So... Exactly how often are you out "hunting people for a living"???... And who was the last one??? Or would you have to kill me if you told me.
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...what would Chuck Norris say... </div></div>
he wouldnt say anything, you would automatically drop where your standing into sleep, and you would dream that you were whatching him shoot at the range, and he would turn to you an say" its not a sniper rifle"
then roundhouse kick you in the face, you wouldnt wake up, lol
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...what would Chuck Norris say... </div></div>
he wouldnt say anything, you would automatically drop where your standing into sleep, and you would dream that you were whatching him shoot at the range, and he would turn to you an say" its not a sniper rifle"
then roundhouse kick you in the face, you wouldnt wake up, lol
Re: It's not a $#*&@^#$ sniper rifle
Why did you -even- need to react to these comments. Who frankly gives a flying f&*k what a range officer says about their rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, I went to the range the other day, and i guess they have a new range officer, but during the hour and a half that i was there he came up to me no less than 6 time saying "hey that's a nice sniper rifle". now I don't know about any of you guys but do you consider any of your rifles "sniper rifles". i know full and damn well that my remington 700p, even though it has the "P" designator in the name is no sniper rifle. I mean is the bandwagon so large that any scope rifle is considered a "sniper rifle". Should i also add that in no way shape or form would i ever have the balls to call my self a sniper, just because i know those guys go through alot to EARN that name. finally the last time he repeated himself I stopped in mid Aim and told him "it's not a sniper rifle, it's a tactical precision long-range shooting instrument" and he kind of flinched at every word, but it shut him up. I know that I'm not the only one that thinks this way </div></div>
Why did you -even- need to react to these comments. Who frankly gives a flying f&*k what a range officer says about their rifle?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kahlendrrari</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Alright, I went to the range the other day, and i guess they have a new range officer, but during the hour and a half that i was there he came up to me no less than 6 time saying "hey that's a nice sniper rifle". now I don't know about any of you guys but do you consider any of your rifles "sniper rifles". i know full and damn well that my remington 700p, even though it has the "P" designator in the name is no sniper rifle. I mean is the bandwagon so large that any scope rifle is considered a "sniper rifle". Should i also add that in no way shape or form would i ever have the balls to call my self a sniper, just because i know those guys go through alot to EARN that name. finally the last time he repeated himself I stopped in mid Aim and told him "it's not a sniper rifle, it's a tactical precision long-range shooting instrument" and he kind of flinched at every word, but it shut him up. I know that I'm not the only one that thinks this way </div></div>
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