ITAR does not apply when we share America's voter fraud secrets with foreign countries trying to deny their citizens a free and fair election does it? Asking for a friend.
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^^^^^ I thought it was MO 'eh
ITAR is almost as badly gerrymandered as the last redrawing of Illinois electoral districts.
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So discussions about nigh vision are still ok since we left the Taliban like all of our equipment, right?
At some point I'm waiting for some dude in Afghanistan that discovered the internet 3 days ago to get on here and flex on @TheHorta.
P.S. - DoS can't even figure out how much they paid for me. Why are you even worried about those muppets?
At some point I'm waiting for some dude in Afghanistan that discovered the internet 3 days ago to get on here and flex on @TheHorta.
P.S. - DoS can't even figure out how much they paid for me. Why are you even worried about those muppets?
It was not left for the Taliban. It was left for the Chinese.
Initial cost= 13 dead and a hundred severely injured.
Final cost= ????
Initial cost= 13 dead and a hundred severely injured.
Final cost= ????
The upside is we should be able to buy them on Ebay and Amazon any day now of 1/4 the price.
This needs to be a movie, I bet Lifetime would nail production
Sure but they will put a gay scene in it and call it Brokeback Marine
There was a dude at work that blew the toilet up and the walls. They literally had to call a Hazmat team in to clean it up. So, the discussions at work on what the fuck did he eat too fucking do that must have fallen under ITAR as that was a biological weapon. He quit out of embarrassment. That shit stank bad
I think we have finally hit bottom here.
So do they just blanket mark everything scope related as itar? Or does any discussion on any optic violate it?
It feels like a law designed to make us criminals, rather than punish criminals.
It feels like a law designed to make us criminals, rather than punish criminals.
in a previous life we knew that some comm block countries were actively viewing and learning shooting techniques from the hide and other sites
we were in talks with a few people on that side of the world and they would sign up to US gun sites for a few months at a time and never post just lurk and take info
came up during some inquiries from us of how people in certain countries had american and canadian chassis, as we were designing our own and would export for govt bids that they had out
we were in talks with a few people on that side of the world and they would sign up to US gun sites for a few months at a time and never post just lurk and take info
came up during some inquiries from us of how people in certain countries had american and canadian chassis, as we were designing our own and would export for govt bids that they had out
On the walls too? YikesThere was a dude at work that blew the toilet up and the walls. They literally had to call a Hazmat team in to clean it up. So, the discussions at work on what the fuck did he eat too fucking do that must have fallen under ITAR as that was a biological weapon. He quit out of embarrassment. That shit stank bad
I think we have finally hit bottom here.
Gotta love it when your government contorts the law and turns on it's citizens.
It's not exactly aimed at 'getting' people in the US... it's aimed at stopping people here from exporting critical technologies... to our enemies.
Yes, I get it... We left a stealth Chopper in Abbatobad. A billion dollars in high-tech stuff in Afghanistan... that is being reverse-engineered in China as we speak. Foreign Nationals can buy stuff at Dicks Sporting Goods and ship it home in a box with corn chips and a crock pot... or carry it home in their luggage. I get it. We are like a sieve. And some of it is being carried out by exactly the folks who would prosecute Joe Six Pack for doing what they did.
But we have to remember here that SH is at the bleeding edge of a military-useful set of technologies (gun and chassis design, optics and electro-optics-design, and ballistics/bullet/math) that are potentially very useful to enemies who, at this point, build POS rifles. And weld scopes on top of guns using horsehoes as mounts. Half these clowns (and in that I include the Chinese) would kill to have sniper capabilities as good as a Savage with a Used 20 year-old. Leupold Mk 12 on it. Because their 'vaunted' military's can't even come close to producing, designing, conceptualizing stuff that the average American Fudd takes for granted.
So... we are kind of in a unique position here. And noone is saying 'don't discuss' things. But when some Austrian whack job starts asking questions about 'what materials are used in sabots for Phalanx systems...' and how are these things put together... then, yeah, playing along seems kind of dumb. Whether said Schnitzel-grubber was glowing and trying to entrap someone (Do you put it past folks these days?) or maybe Fritz from Linz was just writing the next great Submarine/Tom Clancy book and wants to get tech details right? Who cares? The alarm bells sounded instantly.
People here sit on a motherlode of information that evolves and gets pushed forward HERE. We shouldn't limit discussions or stop pushing forward the technology. But there is a point where you have to look at a post or a question and go... Really? Because the self-policing we do here may save the life of one of our own someday downrange. You can bet 'our' guys are watching and learning from this to. At Sotic and Crane and Dahlgren and Picatinny all kinds of other cool places that do this stuff for a living. And would rather not get shot by some foreigner who learned new skills here... or picked up a new technology here.
Don't forget... there is a PM function where you can discuss stuff in private. And a vetted Mil/LE area that allows the same. But most of the time, everyone is GTG in public. Keep at it! It's what makes this the best shooting site on the Internet. Just watch out for the morons. Pretty simple to spot them. They often come from Austria and ask about classified technology and get all huffy when you won't give it to them. Or glow like a freshly-cracked cyalume!
It's what self-policing is all about and I'd say folks here are damn good at it!!
Cheers,
Sirhr
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Half of France is now Syrian, Iraqi, Mahgreb's, Tunisians... you name it. All of them quite happy to try and scam scopes to use against the Infidel West... Paris has "Sharia No-Go" zones. Yeah... France. Good place to send stuff.
Too bad, they are one of EU's most gun-friendly countries! I guess they learned something over 200 years or so...
Sirhr
Put it all in a real book and print a bunch of bound copies of the book and you'll probably be good.
Several cases of that.
You have to look on all the Iranian forums for technical data. They have all the equipment we left in Afghanistan, and it's not illegal for them to talk about it
Ummm then there is the 20+ year old case where USG went after a guy in Florida for shipping his DirectTV receiver to his brother in the Bahamas. Export of encryption equipment without a license. I knew the US attorney that went after the guy, who was given the case after the guy changed the billing mailing address to his brother offshore, Directv reported it and viola: jail time.
So was there an investigation from State on Shitty joe when he left all of that stuff in Afghanistan?
A perfect example of where the stupid "law" that all the good folks were told was all about "national security" or whatever B.S. right wing types lap up, was used for screwing someone over for corporate greed.
The filthly bastards at DirecTV were annoyed that someone was using their service in a way they didn't like and so they got their crooked buddies in the government to twist the law to go after someone for petty revenge.
I didn't say it was applied properly... in fact it's often not. That was my second paragraph, IIRC. So, yeah... But that's not what it's intended for.
The 'big deal' with encryption (and some could argue the beginning of the weaponization of ITAR against Americans...) was with the PGP Algorithm in the mind-1990's. They sent the PGP creator to jail... or tried to. PGP was "Pretty Good Privacy" and was a publically-available encryption technology that would let people encode e-mails and simple Internet Communications (this was right as the Web was coming online... ) Was a massive legal morass and helpe cement organizations like the Electronic Frontier Foundation and others...
The idea that encryption was a weapon was hotly-debated. But at the time, PGP was considered unbreakable. Now you could break it with the computing power on your Apple Watch. But at the time...
So it has a history. Not saying I agree with the promotion of ITAR against encryption. Then again... if our enemies had started using it or modifying it. Or drug dealers (the bane of the 1990's... and they were using it)... it was a threat.
Shipping a TV dish leading to jail.... seems pretty stupid. But to someone it didn't. Again, I don't agree with the application of the law. But that's not why it was created. And if they're willing to send your cousin's brother's wife's hairdresser to jail for exporting a glorified antenna... then think what they would do to us gun-owning deplorable unvaxxed election-deniers if we told them that Sabots are made in a gummy worm factory and taste like Schnozzberries. Oops... Now I am going to get it.
Sirhr
True, I have never been on Pendleton, Been to Bridgeport an 29 Stumps,
Gotta be a park in LA that has woods; all we need is woods, MazerBlade is not that big; he doesn't need a lot space to shit in a diaper
Yeah, that's reserved for special people! (cough)Bill Clinton(/cough)
Meh... Kevin Costner ran out of the Fashion Mall and instantly teleported into Georgetown then ended up on the GW Bridge or some shit in one of his movies...
All you need is some fast cuts and a good soundtrack and noone cares.
Pendleton... is that where the sweaters are made? Or the fancy exercise bikes?
Sirhr
Night vision creates light so you can see in the dark via a micro nuclear explosion that is fueled by the same powder they use to make chemtrails.
I fucked a pedophile Alien in a Pizza shop once...
Well I have no clue if it was a pedophile, but it was a helluva good night, great conversationalist too
Well I have no clue if it was a pedophile, but it was a helluva good night, great conversationalist too
Worried about ITAR MIL scopes and NODs sales to Canada, while giving a 100 Billion US dollars++ to Ukraine. Friend working in and for Ukraine for the WMF said he job was pointless as every dollar sent to the existing Ukraine government
way was funneled to various blatantly and obvious corrupt sectors, said he could get nothing productive done in his estimation to fix their situation. Common sense has long sense been lost in translation. I think Ukraine is still listed within the top 3 of most corrupt nations in Europe. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Nope.Correct me if I am wrong.
Not wrong.
How’s those FTX investments going for all the folks that went in with Ukraine.
That well, huh??
Sirhr
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